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Structured Discussions for all pages with a given prefix?

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Evolution and evolvability (talkcontribs)
Emojiwiki (talkcontribs)

Thats per-wiki. You can set a namespace's default content model to Flow, without changing any settings on Flow extension itself, or having any fixes.

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Confirmation for sending Thanks

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RZuo (talkcontribs)

i did not want to thank a user but i mistook the button for reply button! Extension:Thanks requires confirmation before sending. why is it not the case for "flow"?!!!

AKlapper (WMF) (talkcontribs)

Feel free to unthank. And this has nothing to do with Flow at all.

RZuo (talkcontribs)

there's no button to unthank as far as i can see.

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it seems there is a problem.

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Bmt3s (talkcontribs)

it seems there is a problem, see the history it Edit random Talk Users Pages and creates copy of it self, see (this1) is even old user who got changed Talk page by the bot. more ex. (this2) (this3)

AKlapper (WMF) (talkcontribs)

It's unclear what the problem is. A list of steps would be welcome, as steps.

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Structured Discussion not working on some of my wikis

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Aquacryst (talkcontribs)
AKlapper (WMF) (talkcontribs)

Nothing is wrong, I'd say. :) Structured Discussions it is not enabled on all wikis.

Aquacryst (talkcontribs)

I get it. But other users in those wiki sites have this feature; that's why I wonder whether I did it wrong or some setups that need to be done.

ExE Boss (talkcontribs)
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Exception caught: Fail to create title from namespace 2600

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Valirius (talkcontribs)

Hello. Trying to create Topic and get this error:

Exception caught: Fail to create title from namespace 2600 and title text 'w9xg3yu7dt9qvgi4'

In LocalSettings:

wfLoadExtension( 'Flow' );

$wgNamespaceContentModels[NS_TALK] = 'flow-board';

$wgNamespaceContentModels[NS_USER_TALK] = 'flow-board';

// Adding Flow's rights so that they are available for global groups/staff rights

$wgAvailableRights[] = 'flow-create-board';

$wgAvailableRights[] = 'flow-edit-post';

$wgAvailableRights[] = 'flow-suppress';

$wgAvailableRights[] = 'flow-hide';

$wgAvailableRights[] = 'flow-delete';

$wgAvailableRights[] = 'flow-lock';

$wgGroupPermissions['sysop']['flow-delete'] = true;

$wgGroupPermissions['user']['flow-supress'] = true;

$wgGroupPermissions['*']['flow-create-board'] = true;

$wgGroupPermissions['user']['flow-lock'] = true;

$wgFlowContentFormat = 'html';


It looks like it should work. What could be wrong?

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Is there a dedicated log page?

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TechAcquisitor (talkcontribs)

Hello!

Is there a dedicated log page to list all the operations related to structured discussions? Just like thanks logs.

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Desactivate structured discussion on my user talk page

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Martin m159 (talkcontribs)
Prahlad balaji (talkcontribs)

You can't on MediaWiki, but you can activate/deactivate it on other wikis.

Pppery (talkcontribs)

@Prahlad balaji: That's not true. It's entirely possible to have a wikitext talk page on MediaWiki.org, it's just that an admin has to manually create it. See Topic:Vhgykhmyxtvtm4dk for an example of a successful request for a Wikitext talk page. As for the original issue on the French Wikipedia, I think the problem may be phab:T234241, but don't know how to solve it.

Prahlad balaji (talkcontribs)

@Martin m159: I think you should take Pppery's advice. I'm a noob in this area.

Pppery (talkcontribs)

Perhaps you shouldn't suggest something is impossible when you self-admittedly are a noob?

Prahlad balaji (talkcontribs)
-revi (talkcontribs)
-revi (talkcontribs)

Ah, for frwiki! For the record:

You will have to ask wiki admins to...

  1. visit your talk page
  2. append &action=info in URL bar (or click Page information in sidebar)
  3. click change in "Page content model" section
  4. make New content model: "wikitext" and save.
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Vojtěch Dostál (talkcontribs)

I just updated the page introduction to reflect the current development - it was confusing to me and I had to do a lot of research in the tech mailing list to understand what is going on. I hope it is all right but please check it. Not sure if it is better to start with "Flow is a project" or "Flow was a project" - the project is probably finished, right?

An update on what will happen to discussion pages in future would be desirable, too. Anyone?:)

Tar Lócesilion (talkcontribs)

AFAIK, (I'm not a WMF employee), Flow isn't directly finished, it's kind of suspended with no promise of continuation except for resolving some minor issues. So it still is a project. But no rush, the page should be updated by a member of the Collaboration team (who, again, AFAIK), are quite busy due to Workflows. And that's Workflows project which should be documented in the first instance, IMHO.

Quiddity (WMF) (talkcontribs)

Yes, Tar Lócesilion explained it well. (Thanks!) Feedback from the communities using Flow, will greatly help in future decisions about how much resources to put towards it.

I've tweaked the page a bit, and will do more as I get time.

There are some notes about the Workflows research at Collaboration/Workflows, but more needs to be added. (I didn't place it at "workflows" because that could be more confusing with workflow (disambiguation page), but I'm happy to change that.)

JoergenB (talkcontribs)

Does this suspended character of the project have bearings on the mass creation of templates on October 2?

I came to this page in order to ask about a handful of templates put on sv-wikibooks by the Flow talk page manager on that day. They do not have any associated wikidata item. They are not categorised. They have scanty documentation. In at least one case, they seem to call templates not existing in our project (or at least not existing with the expected name), causing an error when trying to view the template.

Does the project suspension mean that we had better handle these obstructions to a rational template handling by just deleting the templates; or could we expect that the October 2 templates on diverse projects at least will be collected in wikidata objects?

Regards, JoergenB (talk) 19:33, 8 October 2015 (UTC)

PS: I find a "Cancel" and a "Reply" button under the edit box; but no way to preview my reply. Is this the way iflow is/was supposed to work?

Quiddity (WMF) (talkcontribs)

Hi JoergenB. It is just the development of major new features for Flow, that is suspended for the moment, whilst the team focuses on some Echo work plus other tasks and research. Maintenance work for Flow will continue as normal.

Thank you for the pointer to the template issues. I've filed phab:T115519 to resolve this by properly attaching the templates to Wikidata objects, and phab:T115518 to delete the unnecessary templates.

Re: the red error message, that is always shown on the template page itself (e.g. Template:Wikitext talk page converted to Flow), but it works properly when actually used. It is occuring because of the {{#time:...}} ParserFunction (Help:Extension:ParserFunctions#.23time) which expects a variable. I'm not sure if there's an ideal/recommended way to fix this on the template's own page, to avoid confusion? I'll ask...

Re: Previewing - if you have JavaScript enabled, you should be able to switch between wikitext and visualeditor modes (used as the preview, and/or the main composer), by clicking the "[[]]" icon in the bottom corner of the edit area. (I believe there are a few problems with older versions of Internet Explorer; if you are experiencing problems, please tell me which browser/OS you are using.)

Hope that helps.

Utopiantos (talkcontribs)

I'm from the Swedish wiki and would like to express my deep concern about the eventual implementation of Flow on all our discuss pages. During my time here, I've never come across any, in my opinion, worse function suggestion than Flow. Those of you that want to use this, please go ahead, but only as long as you don't force it upon us others. The wiki coding is a huge part of the charm of editing Wikipedia, and I strongly want to have the wiki coding on both normal articles and on discuss pages. Wikipedia is well known for a place where its users can choose between different funcions. Why not this time? Well, this time it's unacceptable.

Quiddity (WMF) (talkcontribs)

@Utopiantos Click the "[[]]" icon in the bottom corner of the edit area, to switch between wikitext and visual editor modes. The system will remember which you used to make a content change last, and load that by default next time.

Vätte (talkcontribs)

For me it is pretty unacceptable that Flow takes four times as long to load than an ordinary discussionpage. That would really decrease my interacting with other wikipedians. :/

Ooswesthoesbes (talkcontribs)
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[WMF Board of Trustees - Call for feedback: Community Board seats] Meetings with MediaWiki and Wikitech communities

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MediaWiki message delivery (talkcontribs)

The Wikimedia Foundation Board of Trustees is organizing a call for feedback about community selection processes between February 1 and March 14. While the Wikimedia Foundation and the movement have grown about five times in the past ten years, the Board’s structure and processes have remained basically the same. As the Board is designed today, we have a problem of capacity, performance, and lack of representation of the movement’s diversity. Our current processes to select individual volunteer and affiliate seats have some limitations. Direct elections tend to favor candidates from the leading language communities, regardless of how relevant their skills and experience might be in serving as a Board member, or contributing to the ability of the Board to perform its specific responsibilities. It is also a fact that the current processes have favored volunteers from North America and Western Europe. In the upcoming months, we need to renew three community seats and appoint three more community members in the new seats. This call for feedback is to see what processes can we all collaboratively design to promote and choose candidates that represent our movement and are prepared with the experience, skills, and insight to perform as trustees?

In this regard, two rounds of feedback meetings are being hosted to collect feedback from the technical communities in Wikimedia. Two rounds are being hosted with the same agenda, to accomodate people from various time zones across the globe. We will be discussing ideas proposed by the Board and the community to address the above mentioned problems. Please sign-up according to whatever is most comfortable to you. You are welcome to participate in both as well!

Also, please share this with other volunteers who might be interested in this. Let me know if you have any questions. KCVelaga (WMF), 14:37, 21 February 2021 (UTC)

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