Project:Village Pump/Archive 3

Bad bot: block, please

User:Maycon 1993 —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 07:23, 8 March 2024 (UTC)

Done This was done by Clump. Jdforrester (talk) 14:23, 8 March 2024 (UTC)

Protect a topic summary

The topic summary for Extension talk:RevisionSlider/2023#h-Broken_click_behavior_on_RTL_wikis-20231127122700 has been vandalized a lot for some reason. Could someone semi-protect it or the entire topic? Aaron Liu (talk) 12:01, 8 March 2024 (UTC)

Done I've semi-protected the thread for six months. Jdforrester (talk) 14:26, 8 March 2024 (UTC)

@Jdforrester I don't think that worked. Aaron Liu (talk) 22:38, 10 March 2024 (UTC)

@Aaron Liu: Well, that's unhelpful. Apparently this was never implemented: phab:T113902. Jdforrester (talk) 21:00, 14 March 2024 (UTC)

Thanks, that was helpful! According to that, you could maybe create an edit filter, sort of like Special:AbuseFilter/58 but for the edit-topic-summary action and target that specific page. Aaron Liu (talk) 21:12, 14 March 2024 (UTC)

That seems like a massive overreaction. The topic is now resolved and there's been no vandalism for several days, so hopefully it will just die down. * Pppery * _{it has begun} 22:27, 14 March 2024 (UTC)

It's only been two days, though I agree that we should watch it first. Aaron Liu (talk) 22:30, 14 March 2024 (UTC)

This seems to have died now. For future reference it appears summary edits are prevented if you protect the entire board, even though they aren't if you protect only the topic. * Pppery * _{it has begun} 02:32, 26 March 2024 (UTC)

Semi protect Snippets/*

There were some IP edits for Snippets/*. Some bad users may inject these snippets with security vulnerability.--حبيشان (talk) 06:24, 15 April 2024 (UTC)

We don't generally protect pages, especially entire classes of pages, preemptively. This seems a bit like scaremongering to me. * Pppery * _{it has begun} 15:20, 15 April 2024 (UTC)

Spamer

• Ameliaave9696 (talk • contribs • logs • rights • global account) posted spam topic, please block WindEwriX (talk) 10:36, 31 May 2024 (UTC)

Already glocked. * Pppery * _{it has begun} 16:49, 31 May 2024 (UTC)

Block request

Please block

• 31.223.133.136 (talk • contribs • logs • rights • global account). Wüstenspringmaus (talk) 18:02, 23 August 2024 (UTC)

Done --Clump (talk) 18:22, 23 August 2024 (UTC)

MediaWiki:Recentchanges-timeout

The phab task was closed, so I think it's time to delete the system message (i.e. revert it to the original message). ToadetteEdit (talk) 10:29, 5 September 2024 (UTC)

Like what happened on meta. ToadetteEdit (talk) 10:31, 5 September 2024 (UTC)

Done Leaderboard (talk) 10:33, 5 September 2024 (UTC)

Block&deletion request

Please block

• 180.180.237.32 (talk • contribs • logs • rights • global account) and delete their invalid translations. Wüstenspringmaus (talk) 17:45, 6 September 2024 (UTC)

Done --Ameisenigel (talk) 18:00, 6 September 2024 (UTC)

Block request

Please block

• VmIPc0 (talk • contribs • logs • rights • global account): Vandalism/spam-only account (AbuseLog). Wüstenspringmaus (talk) 09:49, 8 September 2024 (UTC)

Stale. * Pppery * _{it has begun} 23:15, 10 September 2024 (UTC)

Page moved - error being investigated

This page has been archived. Error resolved. There is an error loading the subpage (due to it being such a large board). The issue is being investigated. Sorry for the inconvenience, and thank you for your patience. Quiddity (WMF) (talk) 17:17, 6 December 2024 (UTC)

P.s. As a reminder, the DiscussionTools system that is now working on this talkpage, provides a menu link at "Tools → Subscribe" that enables us to be notified for the creation of new Topics (documentation at Help:DiscussionTools#Page subscriptions). Some folks watching this page, might like to use that system instead or in addition to the watchlist. Hope that helps! Quiddity (WMF) (talk) 14:56, 10 December 2024 (UTC)

Machine-translated-looking multilingual contributions

User:BonziStudios (contribs) has newly created translations in the following 27 languages, but they appear to be machine-translated:
ang, ar, de-at, el, eo, es, fa, fr, he, it, ja, ka, ko, lt, nan, nl, pl, ps, pt, pt-br, ru, sco, tr, tw, uk, yue, zh - Shirayuki (talk) 08:05, 8 December 2024 (UTC)

Why not nuke all translations that were machine translated? ToadetteEdit (talk) 11:03, 8 December 2024 (UTC)

It seems that edits need to be recent to be listed in Special:Nuke. However, since more than three months have passed since the edits by the user, they are not listed and cannot be deleted in bulk.
I have reviewed and manually deleted the Japanese translations made by the user. As for translations into other languages, I am unable to determine whether they are machine translations. Shirayuki (talk) 11:31, 8 December 2024 (UTC)

I also cleaned up some Arabic translations (1 2 3). The Arabic translations were clearly unmodified machine translations from the unreliable MinT. I would support disabling automatic translation from MinT since it is making multiple issues both to reviewing translators, and readers. ToadetteEdit (talk) 12:01, 8 December 2024 (UTC)

Deleting empty /LQT Archive 1 pages

As a follow-up to Project:Village Pump/Flow/2024/11#h-Cleaning_up_empty_Flow_placeholders-20241102232600 which deleted Flow/LQT pairs where the Flow and LQT parts were both empty, there are 646 /LQT Archive 1 pages that have never had any content other than an empty header or a "this is an archive" announcement. Shall I proceed with deleting these as well? * Pppery * _{it has begun} 02:50, 10 December 2024 (UTC)

Since they have virtually no content both, it should be deleted. ToadetteEdit (talk) 06:53, 10 December 2024 (UTC)

@Pppery: Sure. Jdforrester (WMF) (talk) 13:54, 10 December 2024 (UTC)

+1. Thanks again. Quiddity (WMF) (talk) 15:11, 10 December 2024 (UTC)

Done Deleted about 650 pages via Special:Log/Flow cleanup bot and about another 100 after manual review using my own account. Some of the remaining 340 pages could probably be deleted too but I was a bit paranoid, and keeping a history of the header will be useful if I decide to follow through with my idea of converting Flow pages to wikitext with history using XML import. * Pppery * _{it has begun} 19:24, 10 December 2024 (UTC)

Unprotect

Project talk:About has been protected for a long time, I think it is time to remove the protection at the very least. ToadetteEdit (talk) 07:34, 11 December 2024 (UTC)

Reduced to semi. It seems the reason was users were asking questions that went unanswered and are more suited for other places (this can still be the case given the page name). – Ammarpad (talk) 13:23, 11 December 2024 (UTC)

empty category

This category is currently empty. The tool "MediaWiki Code search query" on this category page finds nothing, the link to the hook CentralAuthGlobalUserMerged shows that this hook has been removed.

Maybe this category page (and the one in French) can be deleted ? Mahabarata73 (talk) 14:49, 11 December 2024 (UTC)

Deleted. * Pppery * _{it has begun} 16:59, 11 December 2024 (UTC)

not the same text when I'm logged in and logged out

Sometimes I find a translation that is not "perfect" and I improve it. When I come back on this page a few days later, I still see the old text even if I refresh the page (with F5) or use another browser BUT ONLY WHEN I am logged in. When I am logged out, I can see the new translation text. It seems that this problem only occurs when I change the translated title of a page.

An example: when I am logged out, the title of this page is "Catégorie:Extensions liées à FileUpload" (it is the text that I wanted). When I am logged in (with this account), I see the old (and bad according to me) translation: "Catégorie:extensions de téléversement de fichiers".

Can someone fix my account, or explain to me what is happening and what I need to do to fix this? Mahabarata73 (talk) 15:22, 11 December 2024 (UTC)

No one can fix your account. It may be due to caching issues on your browser, you should now see "Catégorie:Extensions liées à FileUpload" as the title of the category. ToadetteEdit (talk) 19:28, 11 December 2024 (UTC)

Like I said, the problem was on several browsers so it was not a cache issue. But this page works now, thanks for the fix.

I had the same problem with this page but I just solved it by myself: I changed a translation not in the title then restored it and the title has been updated. Which means probably a bug somewhere. Mahabarata73 (talk) 13:57, 12 December 2024 (UTC)

Like I said, the problem was on several browsers so it was not a cache issue.

No, that just means it wasn't a browser cache issue. It might have been a network cache from your router, ISP, or government, or something else. Jdforrester (WMF) (talk) 14:23, 12 December 2024 (UTC)

I guess it is due to the pages' cache. Purging should help, see manual:purge for more. ToadetteEdit (talk) 19:52, 12 December 2024 (UTC)

Is it ok if I put screenshots here? Or maybe I can open a phabricator task where it is easier to add screenshots? Mahabarata73 (talk) 21:45, 14 December 2024 (UTC)

Another empty category

This category is currently empty, a search of extensions using this hook give no result: \bUserGetAllRights(Hook)?\b - MediaWiki Codesearch (Extensions).

Maybe the page could be deleted? Mahabarata73 (talk) 22:17, 11 December 2024 (UTC)

I don't think it's worth it since the hook is still in MediaWiki, and an extension using it could be written at any time. * Pppery * _{it has begun} 01:18, 12 December 2024 (UTC)

Ok. Mahabarata73 (talk) 14:02, 12 December 2024 (UTC)

Flow cleanup continues

Next up on the list of tasks to do before the Flow maintenance script runs: make sure pages that on pages that have an existing archive structure the Flow board becomes part of that archive structure rather than becoming its own alien thing and orphaning the existing archive structure behind a pointer to a Flow board. I've manually processed pages with odd archiving setups (of which there are annoyingly large number), leaving around 200 pages where there's a pre-existing /Archive or /Archive 1 page. It seems to me that these can be processed automatically by:

• If the old archive is named "/Archive", move it to "/Archive 1" since it's not the only archive. (does a redirect need to be left behind here)
• Move the Flow board to "/Archive 2".
• If there's an old "/LQT Archive 1" page like Extension_talk:Include, then move it back for the history (and then needs manual review on how to update any pointers). Otherwise, create the page with {{Archives }}.

An example of an already-processed page is Extension talk:GuidedTour (I did that manually because the archives have no space in the name). Examples of pages yet to be processed are Extension talk:WikiArticleFeeds and Extension talk:Auto Create Category Pages

Does this seem like the right course of action? * Pppery * _{it has begun} 22:49, 11 December 2024 (UTC)

This should be the last cleanup run I do, but then I thought that was the case several times before and then thought of something new. * Pppery * _{it has begun} 23:09, 11 December 2024 (UTC)

I should agree. Moving multiple pages manually is lengthly and takes alot of time. ToadetteEdit (talk) 19:54, 12 December 2024 (UTC)

I agree with this proposal.

Re: "(does a redirect need to be left behind here)" - I think it would be fine to leave/create redirects, in order to avoid having to manually check for incoming links on each of them. Plus I believe the ancient essay w:WP:Redirects are cheap is still generally accurate.

Thanks again. Quiddity (WMF) (talk) 20:48, 12 December 2024 (UTC)

Done. I ended up deleting most of the /LQT pages rather than moving them. And I got sidetracked by more pages with odd archival setups. I think that at this point for every Flow page the maintenance script will move there aren't any other archives left so the maintenance script's action is a reasonable one. And hopefully I'm done now. * Pppery * _{it has begun} 01:24, 13 December 2024 (UTC)

@Pppery: Thanks for all your work on this, it's been great to clean up so much old cruft. Jdforrester (WMF) (talk) 15:10, 13 December 2024 (UTC)

I was wrong. I found a lot more bits of old spam/junk during the post-cleanup-script review. Going to semi-automatically delete another few hundred to thousand pages of junk in user talk namespace. * Pppery * _{it has begun} 22:24, 17 December 2024 (UTC)

Running a bot to delete 1887 user talk pages of users with <100 global edits that have never been touched by anyone with >500 global edits. I manually reviewed the content of each page beforehand, and excluded 666 pages (most of which are requests for support that should have gone to the support desk years ago). * Pppery * _{it has begun} 03:31, 18 December 2024 (UTC)

And now done. I spot-checked some of the remaining Flow pages and was not inclined to delete any of them. So I think that route is satisfied and the remaining pages will be converted to wikitext sometime. * Pppery * _{it has begun} 23:23, 18 December 2024 (UTC)

Can I use mediawiki.org to host templates?

The en wiki citation templates made a change a few years ago that make it a lot harder to set up citation templates locally and for developers. The citation templates now require a file that's on commons, which local installations and third party wikis aren't usually set-up for.

I've fixed my local installations but I was wondering if I could put my "fixed" templates online somewhere to make it easier for third parties and developers to download... is "Module:" namespace only for stuff actually being used by mediawiki.org? Could/should I instead host the modules and templates as a subpage of Citoid, i.e. Citoid/Module:Citation (and is that an okay use of mediawiki.org? Since T121470 does not exist yet. Mvolz (WMF) (talk) 13:12, 12 December 2024 (UTC)

It's fine with me, but make sure to link to the originals in the edisummaries and add some documentation, for when someone finds it in 3 years and wonders why we have this duplicate :D —TheDJ (Not WMF) (talk • contribs) 13:36, 17 December 2024 (UTC)

templates with 2 categories but only one is visible

If you look at the source code of this template, you will see that there are 2 categories inside "includeonly" tags:

• Category:MediaWiki hooks
• Category:Undocumented MediaWiki hooks

But on pages using this template, for example this page, only the first category is visible.

Same problem with this template.

Do I miss something ? Mahabarata73 (talk) 23:53, 13 December 2024 (UTC)

The second category is hidden. * Pppery * _{it has begun} 02:44, 14 December 2024 (UTC)

Why? The template says "if you know about it then add a doc" (I summarize). But if no one can see this category, don't you think that limits the interventions on these pages? Mahabarata73 (talk) 21:59, 14 December 2024 (UTC)

I don't think the logic chain you're following is especially clear, but I've unhidden the category anyway. * Pppery * _{it has begun} 22:01, 14 December 2024 (UTC)

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Exporting Flow boards with history

I already posted this at T377051 with more technical details, but I'm posting it here for more visibility as well: I've written a script to export a Flow board to wikitext while keeping the revision history. You can see how it looks at User talk:Pppery/Flow export (a wikitext export of User talk:Pppery/Flow). * Pppery * _{it has begun} 16:54, 25 December 2024 (UTC)

I think it make sense to use the script to convert pages to wikitext, buy I need to make sure if only sysops can use the script because your archived page history sees that it has been imported, and importing is restricted to sysops and users in the import user group, and I am not in any of them. ToadetteEdit (talk) 17:11, 25 December 2024 (UTC)

Anyone can use the script to generate XML. Only users in the Special:ListUsers/import group (which can be granted and removed by crats, and currently includes no non-crat users) can actually import XML on-wiki.

I'll handle actually running it when the time comes - what I was hoping for here was more people confirming the idea makes sense, checking the output to make sure I didn't screw anything up, etc. * Pppery * _{it has begun} 17:34, 25 December 2024 (UTC)

With the exception of {{Side box }} which doesn't exist, looks good to me. Leaderboard (talk) 07:38, 28 December 2024 (UTC)

Undeleted that template so it now exists. * Pppery * _{it has begun} 16:37, 28 December 2024 (UTC)

Block request

Please block

• 114.10.98.70 (talk • contribs • logs • rights • global account) Spamming translations Quebecguy (talk) 01:45, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
• Done --Clump (talk) 02:40, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

Akan language (ak) translation pages

Some pages are translated into the Akan language (ak), which is not supported by the Translation extension, e.g. Help:Extension:Translate/Installation/ak.

Is this translation approach allowed?

translatewiki:Portal:Ak says:

ISO 639-1 [ak] or ISO 639-2/3 [aka] (Akan, ak) is a macrolanguage (see also on ISO 639-3), please select one of those languages:

• Portal:fat: Fanti, mfantse
• Portal:tw: Twi, Twi

Shirayuki (talk) 14:23, 1 January 2025 (UTC)

I don't think we should allow translations to Akan because 1) the language is missing in the translate interface, and 2) it can get outdated for a long time. I suggest importing existing translation to Twi language subpages as it the the most appropriate language. ToadetteEdit (talk) 19:00, 1 January 2025 (UTC)

These have now all been either copied or moved to /tw. * Pppery * _{it has begun} 17:18, 5 January 2025 (UTC)

Vandalism-only account

Please block

• Dionyjona (talk • contribs • logs • rights • global account) Jet Pilot (talk) 01:13, 6 January 2025 (UTC)

Done by Shirayuki. ToadetteEdit (talk) 10:42, 6 January 2025 (UTC)

Local userpage creation request

I think I just got caught in Special:AbuseFilter/95 -- please could someone create user:a smart kitten for me as a blank page, so that I can add to it myself? (In response to MediaWiki:Abusefilter-globaluserpages, what I want to put in my mediawikiwiki userpage is specific to this wiki, and e.g. a link to my Phabricator profile would have less relevance on a global userpage than on a MediaWiki-specific userpage.)

All the best, ‍—‍a smart kitten_[meow] 00:35, 8 January 2025 (UTC)

Done. That filter has always seemed way too draconian to me. * Pppery * _{it has begun} 00:55, 8 January 2025 (UTC)

Translate main menu

Where can I translate main menu items? tks :-) --TrameOscure (talk) 09:44, 10 January 2025 (UTC)

Most items can be translated on translatewiki.net. ToadetteEdit (talk) 07:20, 11 January 2025 (UTC)

@ToadetteEdit: tks, I will search. ;-) TrameOscure (talk) 15:42, 11 January 2025 (UTC)

Protection request

This page may need to be temporarily protected due to sockpuppetry. --quebecguy ⚜️ (talk | contribs) 05:11, 11 January 2025 (UTC)

Done. * Pppery * _{it has begun} 05:37, 11 January 2025 (UTC)

@Pppery, I suggest a new abuse filter be set up to prevent "this is racism" posts from being sent onto talk pages. Protection is evidently not enough, as the users will simply "wait outside" and immediately vandalism once protection is over, and the fact that Support Desk questions are from new users and protection will prevent them from asking questions. Yesterday I saw that sort of post that was reverted and revdelled on a user talk page. ToadetteEdit (talk) 07:26, 11 January 2025 (UTC)

I've already done some stuff with abuse filters, but this LTA is known for coming up with increasingly clever dodges so they don't really work. * Pppery * _{it has begun} 16:03, 11 January 2025 (UTC)

Reverse move

Please reverse the move from Parsoid/Parser Unification/Migration to Extension talk:Parsoid/Parser Unification/Migration; mover didn't give a good reason to move. ToadetteEdit (talk) 10:06, 14 January 2025 (UTC)

Done. --Clump (talk) 12:18, 14 January 2025 (UTC)

Vandalism-only account

• I don't like beaners (talk • contribs • logs • rights • global account)

Can someone please block and probably globally lock. They have been harassing me on my talk page here. Thanks. Cyberdog958 (talk) 03:38, 20 January 2025 (UTC)

Blocked by P858Snake. Feel free to request a lock at m:SRG. * Pppery * _{it has begun} 04:01, 20 January 2025 (UTC)

All edits are reverted and the user is blocked locally, but has no SUL account. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 04:02, 20 January 2025 (UTC)

Non-constructive editing on Help:Reset password/bn, can't RV it myself

Hi! Special:Contributions/103.115.243.181 has just made a series of 15 non-translation related disruptive edits to Help:Reset password/bn but I can't undo them all myself because I don't have local rollback, and manual reverts and TwinkleGlobal don't seem to work on translation pages? They also created a bunch of nonsense subpages. [[Project:Administrator's noticeboard]] redirected to here so I'd thought I'd just post this. Thanks! :) MolecularPilot (talk) 03:51, 21 January 2025 (UTC)

Undone. Translate extension works in an odd way which means that what the IP did was technically a page creation and hence undoing it was a deletion which needed admin rights. * Pppery * _{it has begun} 04:28, 21 January 2025 (UTC)

Thank you! :) MolecularPilot (talk) 04:30, 21 January 2025 (UTC)

Archiver bot

Given that the Village Pump (and other discussion pages) transitioned from Flow to standard discussion pages, a bot that archives threads should be considered. ToadetteEdit (talk) 10:10, 7 December 2024 (UTC)

This needs to be revisited; Project:Support desk is getting more and more threads. An archiver bot should be considered since manual archiving is rather tedious without a reliable user script. ToadetteEdit (talk) 20:22, 21 December 2024 (UTC)

User:ArchiverBot is now setup and ready on this wiki (using Template:Auto archiving on the discussion pages themselves).

I think it would be good/fine to use settings of:

• Older than 7 days without activity
• Archiving to Project:Village Pump/Archive 3 -- (Maybe? Or per-year pages?)

But I won't boldly implement that myself, at least until someone(s) agrees. Quiddity (WMF) (talk) 22:00, 21 January 2025 (UTC)

I wonder if we try 14 days first just to give people a bit more of a chance to respond, we can always review and change later one.

I would archive to a number subpage, Year wouldn't be too bad for VP but I suspect that Support Desk might get too large. P858snake (talk) 11:52, 22 January 2025 (UTC)

That sounds good. I'll boldly do so now, partially to confirm that everything is working as expected! Quiddity (WMF) (talk) 18:29, 22 January 2025 (UTC)

Done in this edit. Quiddity (WMF) (talk) 18:34, 22 January 2025 (UTC)

Now moved to the top of this project page directly, per Special:Diff/6978119. Quiddity (WMF) (talk) 19:12, 23 January 2025 (UTC)

Move request: Help:Extension:UniversalLanguageSelector/Input methods/zh-pinyin-transliteration

Please move Help:Extension:UniversalLanguageSelector/Input_methods/zh-pinyin-transliteration to Help:Extension:UniversalLanguageSelector/Input_methods/zh-latn-pinyin-transliteration for the link change in the ULS input method menu. -- Winston Sung (talk) 15:48, 23 January 2025 (UTC)

Done. * Pppery * _{it has begun} 16:08, 23 January 2025 (UTC)

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Remove the autopatrolled of User:BlackShadowG

The user is deceased. 阿南之人 (talk) 09:44, 21 January 2025 (UTC)

The accounts of dead users are locked, and hence I don't see the need to remove autopatrolled. Leaderboard (talk) 12:17, 22 January 2025 (UTC)

But isn't it a must in all wikis? The rights of the user in other wikis are all removed (zhwiki commons). 阿南之人 (talk) 12:34, 22 January 2025 (UTC)

@阿南之人 My experience is that isn't necessarily the case. Leaderboard (talk) 02:22, 27 January 2025 (UTC)

Need update

of this section Help:CirrusSearch#filetype, because on commons there's apparently another type called "3D" https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?search=incategory:CC-Zero+filetype:3d .

or, please tell me where i can find a full list of possible filetype for commons. RoyZuo (talk) 21:40, 11 January 2025 (UTC)

c:Commons:File_types. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 21:48, 11 January 2025 (UTC)

no, i want that list updated.

do you see "3d" in that list? are there other things not in that list?

is that list in the link you gave? no. RoyZuo (talk) 10:01, 13 January 2025 (UTC)

I don't understand your complaint: you asked for a list of possible filetypes for Commons and I gave it to you. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 14:49, 13 January 2025 (UTC)

i want this list Help:CirrusSearch#filetype to be updated to be full and exhaustive.

do you have any idea which is the word for all images except svg? that word is not listed in the link you gave. if you dont know what i'm talking about, then you dont know. RoyZuo (talk) 17:01, 27 January 2025 (UTC)

I don't know what you're talking about, no. The first thing this page lists is acceptable image file types: c:Commons:File_types#Images. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 17:03, 27 January 2025 (UTC)

that word is "bitmap".

search " filetype:bitmap " will find all images except svg. RoyZuo (talk) 17:18, 27 January 2025 (UTC)

SVG is a w:en:vector image and all others are w:en:raster graphics. Raster and vector graphics are different approaches to making digital images. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 17:20, 27 January 2025 (UTC)

how do users even get documentation updated by WMF??

i could trace the addition of that list to https://www.mediawiki.org/w/index.php?title=Help:CirrusSearch&diff=2249076 , but that employee has left, so whose responsibility to keep documentation updated now? RoyZuo (talk) 17:20, 27 January 2025 (UTC)

We upkeep the documentation. That is exactly what this wiki is. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 17:21, 27 January 2025 (UTC)

Flood flag for mass translations

Hello everyone! If someone performs mass translations on a large scale (e.g. hundreds of changes a day), is it appropriate to grant a flood flag (temporary; ofc not to clutter the RC feed)? I haven't found anything on this subject, so I'm asking. Best regards, BZPN (talk) 16:05, 27 January 2025 (UTC)

There is no flood flag on this wiki. It would also be inconvenient to temporarily promote users to the bot user group, which is the only user group that has the bot userright which makes edits not appear on recentchanges. ToadetteEdit (talk) 18:16, 27 January 2025 (UTC)

Block for Special:Contributions/120.28.214.178

User is disruptively editing - including blanking, test edits, messing with other people's userspace etc. Already warned several times by another user, and continued (I just cleaned up after them messing with someone's userspace, and then they did it again!). Can they please be blocked to prevent this disruption? Thanks :) MolecularPilot (talk) 02:25, 27 January 2025 (UTC)

Vandalism seems to have subsided now, perhaps the level 4 warning did the trick! :) MolecularPilot (talk) 03:20, 27 January 2025 (UTC)

Previously blocked, and now re-blocked. --Clump (talk) 12:34, 27 January 2025 (UTC)

Thanks! :) MolecularPilot (talk) 09:19, 30 January 2025 (UTC)

Reminder: first part of the annual UCoC review closes soon

Please help translate to your language.

This is a reminder that the first phase of the annual review period for the Universal Code of Conduct and Enforcement Guidelines will be closing soon. You can make suggestions for changes through the end of day, 3 February 2025. This is the first step of several to be taken for the annual review. Read more information and find a conversation to join on the UCoC page on Meta. After review of the feedback, proposals for updated text will be published on Meta in March for another round of community review.

Please share this information with other members in your community wherever else might be appropriate.

-- In cooperation with the U4C, Keegan (WMF) (talk) 00:48, 3 February 2025 (UTC)

Translation

Hi! I've added translation tags to the Extension:DiscordRCFeed page. Could someone check this and tag it? I would also like to ask for your opinion on my marking. Thank you, BZPN (talk) 14:56, 3 February 2025 (UTC)

I also marked the page with Extension:HAWelcome. BZPN (talk) 18:17, 3 February 2025 (UTC)

Patience is a virtue. Shirayuki will get to it eventually. * Pppery * _{it has begun} 19:05, 3 February 2025 (UTC)

Notebook and SQL in the position.

I have a good idea. But now I am not sure what I am very much looking for the needs. If you are unable to find the right solution to this problem. Please let me know if you have not already received the package yet. I will be notified of this order soon as I have it. 41.123.107.229 01:43, 11 February 2025 (UTC)

Report concerning User:151.255.36.98

• 151.255.36.98 (talk • contribs • logs • rights • global account) — Reasons: Vandalism XReport --Aqurs1 (talk) 07:21, 11 February 2025 (UTC)

Blocked. Clump (talk) 12:04, 11 February 2025 (UTC)

Adding page MediaWiki:Dot-separator

I’m not entirely sure if this is the right place to ask, as I mainly contribute to Wikipedia and rarely visit MediaWiki, but I’d appreciate any help or clarification on this.

I recently tried to build a template in Ukrainian Wikipedia based on a module imported from English Wikipedia and noticed that the module (which has its own page here on MediaWiki) relies on several predefined separator messages from MediaWiki, namely:

• MediaWiki:Pipe-separator
• MediaWiki:Comma-separator
• MediaWiki:Colon-separator
• MediaWiki:Semicolon-separator

These messages are used by the module to format link toolbars properly. The module also includes a dot separator parameter, which links to MediaWiki:Dot-separator. While this message exists in English Wikipedia, it does not exist at the MediaWiki level, meaning that for the module to work properly, each wiki has to manually create this page. Moreover, this namespace is often restricted, making it difficult for local communities to create new pages when needed.

The module has already been imported into multiple wikis, but MediaWiki:Dot-separator is mostly missing at the local level (I haven’t checked all wikis, but I haven’t seen it outside of English Wikipedia). Would it be possible to add MediaWiki:Dot-separator on the MediaWiki level with the same content as in English Wikipedia? Gzhegozh (talk) 15:34, 14 February 2025 (UTC)

This request should be made on Phabricator. * Pppery * _{it has begun} 18:17, 15 February 2025 (UTC)

Thank you, just filed a request there. Gzhegozh (talk) 23:48, 15 February 2025 (UTC)

Report concerning User:45.58.19.68

• 45.58.19.68 (talk • contribs • logs • rights • global account)

Vandalism on translations for Help:Extension:UniversalLanguageSelector/Input methods/zh-latn-pinyin-transliteration/ko. He or she translates it with different meaningless content and adds "!5" at first. Gustmd7410 (talk) 07:54, 16 February 2025 (UTC)

Blocked by Clump. TenWhile6 21:03, 19 February 2025 (UTC)

Report concerning User:185.79.103.9

• 185.79.103.9 (talk • contribs • logs • rights • global account) — Reasons: Vandalism XReport --Leonidlednev (talk) 18:44, 18 February 2025 (UTC)

Done. TenWhile6 21:02, 19 February 2025 (UTC)

Report concerning User:2A00:1FA0:4614:53AE:0:1E:1EB6:3101

• 2A00:1FA0:4614:53AE:0:1E:1EB6:3101 (talk • contribs • logs • rights • global account) — Reasons: Vandalism XReport --Leonidlednev (talk) 19:12, 18 February 2025 (UTC)

Blocked by Clump. TenWhile6 21:02, 19 February 2025 (UTC)

Inactive bots

• FearowBot (talk • contribs • logs • rights • global account)
• MiszaBot (talk • contribs • logs • rights • global account)
• MyBot (talk • contribs • logs • rights • global account)
• Diego Grez Bot (talk • contribs • logs • rights • global account)
• RileyBot (talk • contribs • logs • rights • global account)

These bots, and their operators, have been inactive on mediawiki.org for 5+ years, or have explicitly retired. Therefore, the bot flags might be candidates for removal. Three Sixty (talk) 21:52, 20 February 2025 (UTC)

Deflagged all. * Pppery * _{it has begun} 23:02, 20 February 2025 (UTC)

AbuseFilter's false positive

• User:Bdanh is a trusted user on viwiki. ABF may have made a mistake in blocking the user. Please review this block.

Hide on Rosé (talk) 05:31, 21 February 2025 (UTC)

I've unblocked them, it's clearly a false-positive. @Hide on Rosé fyi. TenWhile6 09:51, 21 February 2025 (UTC)

It looks like the same filter blocked them again. (cc @TenWhile6) ‍—‍a smart kitten_[meow] 10:58, 21 February 2025 (UTC)

EPIC unblocked. TenWhile6 11:19, 21 February 2025 (UTC)

Upcoming Language Community Meeting (Feb 28th, 14:00 UTC) and Newsletter

Hello everyone!

We’re excited to announce that the next Language Community Meeting is happening soon, February 28th at 14:00 UTC! If you’d like to join, simply sign up on the wiki page.

This is a participant-driven meeting where we share updates on language-related projects, discuss technical challenges in language wikis, and collaborate on solutions. In our last meeting, we covered topics like developing language keyboards, creating the Moore Wikipedia, and updates from the language support track at Wiki Indaba.

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We look forward to your ideas and participation at the language community meeting, see you there!

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Deletion proposal for Toolserver:Account pricing

There is no page to discuss controversial deletion on this wiki, so i thought i'd open a thread here. Basically this page shows up when you google "mediawiki consulting prices" which i think is confusing. I'm not sure the joke is funny enough to bother keeping, and would suggest deleting. Or maybe blanking the way we do for archived extensions, with a link to see old version. I don't know, if __NOINDEX__ works in that namespace maybe that. Perhaps just a really big banner on top indicated that the page is sarcastic would be sufficient. Anyways, I was wondering what other people thought about this. Bawolff (talk) 19:27, 30 January 2025 (UTC)

Fine with NOINDEXing or blanking. I really don't see a good reason to delete, though. * Pppery * _{it has begun} 19:31, 30 January 2025 (UTC)

I think it's OK to keep, but a clear notice should be provided saying that it is a joke and retained only for humourous purposes (the category at the bottom won't work). Leaderboard (talk) 13:29, 11 February 2025 (UTC)

Is there anything similar in any other wiki projects? I mean, the ability to attach at least some kind of interwiki via Wikidata. captain Ben Richards (talk) 09:20, 21 February 2025 (UTC)

I've noindexed the page, and also added a note explaining it's an April Fools joke. * Pppery * _{it has begun} 03:07, 1 March 2025 (UTC)

Universal Code of Conduct annual review: proposed changes are available for comment

Please help translate to your language.

I am writing to you to let you know that proposed changes to the Universal Code of Conduct (UCoC) Enforcement Guidelines and Universal Code of Conduct Coordinating Committee (U4C) Charter are open for review. You can provide feedback on suggested changes through the end of day on Tuesday, 18 March 2025. This is the second step in the annual review process, the final step will be community voting on the proposed changes. Read more information and find relevant links about the process on the UCoC annual review page on Meta.

The Universal Code of Conduct Coordinating Committee (U4C) is a global group dedicated to providing an equitable and consistent implementation of the UCoC. This annual review was planned and implemented by the U4C. For more information and the responsibilities of the U4C, you may review the U4C Charter.

Please share this information with other members in your community wherever else might be appropriate.

-- In cooperation with the U4C, Keegan (WMF) 18:50, 7 March 2025 (UTC)

Report concerning User:92.255.57.53

• 92.255.57.53 (talk • contribs • logs • rights • global account) — Reasons: Vandalism XReport --Aqurs1 (talk) 19:01, 8 March 2025 (UTC)

Done. --Clump (talk) 19:54, 8 March 2025 (UTC)

Report concerning User:189.215.158.89

• 189.215.158.89 (talk • contribs • logs • rights • global account) — Reasons: Vandalism XReport --Aqurs1 (talk) 18:41, 9 March 2025 (UTC)

Done --Clump (talk) 19:18, 9 March 2025 (UTC)

Report concerning User:Con rối của thành viên bị cấm

• Con rối của thành viên bị cấm (talk • contribs • logs • rights • global account) — Reasons: Vandalism only account. Likely sockpuppet ChanComThemPho. XReport --eunn (meta · phab) 14:37, 10 March 2025 (UTC)

Now globally locked. * Pppery * _{it has begun} 20:15, 10 March 2025 (UTC)

Report concerning User:37.104.193.212

• 37.104.193.212 (talk • contribs • logs • rights • global account) — Reasons: Translation vandalism. XReport --FlyingAce (talk) 07:46, 12 March 2025 (UTC)

Blocked by Clump. * Pppery * _{it has begun} 14:19, 12 March 2025 (UTC)

Extension:CodeMirror/5 - documentation translations

When the new documentation for CodeMirror was introduced at the end of last year, it looks like the documentation for CodeMirror 5 was deleted after a copy-and-paste move to Extension:CodeMirror/5. However, while the history of the page was undeleted and merged to the new title, it looks like the previous page's translations are still deleted.

Is it possible (and/or desirable) for these translations to be restored & moved to the new title for the CodeMirror 5 documentation? IMO it would be best if this could happen, due to the work that will have been put into translating the previous page, & to preserve the internationalization of the previous documentation. I admit that I don't know exactly how this would be done, though -- would all the old Translations:Extension:CodeMirror-pages have to be undeleted & moved to match the new title? Or could the old translated pages (e.g. Extension:CodeMirror/fr) be restored & moved to (e.g.) Extension:CodeMirror/5/fr, the translation units on Extension:CodeMirror/5 restored, and the page re-marked for translation?

Courtesy pings MusikAnimal & Pppery. All the best, ‍—‍a smart kitten_[meow] 21:29, 22 February 2025 (UTC)

It is possible technically but they needs to share the same divisions. The more different, the more work to do this. The page itself must be marked for translation. wargo (talk) 22:08, 22 February 2025 (UTC)

Based on what I can see, it seems like Special:Permalink/6856129 (in the history of Extension:CodeMirror/5) might be the version of the page immediately before the translations were deleted. If this is the case, would restoring this version of the page (until the translations are restored) resolve the issue around needing to have the same divisions? Best, ‍—‍a smart kitten_[meow] 14:43, 23 February 2025 (UTC)

Ideally they should be - I didn't at the time because I didn't care enough to undelete and move over 800 pages. * Pppery * _{it has begun} 22:23, 22 February 2025 (UTC)

My thoughts are there's not much value in continuing to translate outdated docs. Yes, CodeMirror 5 is still being used in WMF production, but no one should be building any integrations against it at this point. I should have preserved the revision history, though… I know better than that. Sorry. If there's enough demand (it sounds like there is) I can write a script to get the translations back, but ideally we'd prevent new translations from being added. — MusikAnimal ^talk 22:36, 22 February 2025 (UTC)

I don't think there is any need to prevent translations - just discouraging (a standard translation admin concept) should be sufficient. * Pppery * _{it has begun} 22:53, 22 February 2025 (UTC)

Yes, I thought there was a feature for this. Thank you. Okay, I will get the translations restored ;) I have a similar script from some time ago that hopefully still works. If not, please bear with me as I'm quite busy with other matters.

I don't recall exactly, but could it be that I was unable to move the page due to the volume of translations and/or combined revision count? I know I must have tried moving the page, first… Anyway, I'll get this cleaned up. Belated thank you to Pppery for restoring the history, and to all here for bringing this to my attention. — MusikAnimal ^talk 00:32, 23 February 2025 (UTC)

IIRC you would have needed sysadmin rights to move the page since it had more than 500 parts - but you appear to be a sysadmin which makes you omnipotent. * Pppery * _{it has begun} 01:58, 23 February 2025 (UTC)

I do not have deployer rights so I can't run maintenance scripts :-P — MusikAnimal ^talk 04:58, 23 February 2025 (UTC)

This is a stupid argument to have, but puppet says you're in restricted, which I had thought was sufficient (although it would have put you in the T378429 situation). Anyway, not knowing what you were doing well enough to carry out the move the proper way is a satisfactory historical answer, so I'll not continue this line further. * Pppery * _{it has begun} 05:17, 23 February 2025 (UTC)

I don't think we need to even "discourage" translations - there's value in ensuring that people not proficient in English can read "outdated" information. Leaderboard (talk) 03:31, 23 February 2025 (UTC)

Bump to prevent this from being archived unfinished. * Pppery * _{it has begun} 20:13, 7 March 2025 (UTC)

Done Thanks for your patience. — MusikAnimal ^talk 06:42, 12 March 2025 (UTC)

I've also restored the history of the translated pages, and fixed a few units whose fuzzy status was lost. It looks like some of the translate units weren't copied over properly though, compare this diff, for example. * Pppery * _{it has begun} 14:11, 12 March 2025 (UTC)

It also looks like the Page display title translations may have not made it over from the previous title. (Thank you for running the script, MusikAnimal, & for restoring the histories, Pppery :)) Best, ‍—‍a smart kitten_[meow] 15:06, 12 March 2025 (UTC)

I have recovered the remaining translations that were missed. * Pppery * _{it has begun} 22:09, 15 March 2025 (UTC)

Report concerning User:2804:658C:2108:9700:35C4:D1DA:107F:BCC8

• 2804:658C:2108:9700:35C4:D1DA:107F:BCC8 (talk • contribs • logs • rights • global account) — Reasons: Vandalism XReport --ASid (talk) 00:51, 17 March 2025 (UTC)

Already blocked by the abuse filter. Pppery (alt) (talk) 01:03, 17 March 2025 (UTC)

Report concerning User:41.150.227.219

• 41.150.227.219 (talk • contribs • logs • rights • global account) — Reasons: Vandalizing translations XReport --Hide on Rosé (talk) 03:03, 20 March 2025 (UTC)

Done --Clump (talk) 11:00, 20 March 2025 (UTC)

Request to add use case example

Hello, I’ve created a page at The Creative Processes Workshop to demonstrate how MediaWiki could be used by a psychotherapy center to document creative therapy techniques. The content is intended as a hypothetical example of MediaWiki’s application, not as promotion. Is this acceptable, or does it need adjustments? Thanks! Allocht 12.03.25 Allocht (talk) 01:38, 12 March 2025 (UTC)

The page you attempted to create at הסדנה לתהליכים יצירתיים, before being blocked by the abuse filter, is not in my opinion within this website's scope. We already have plenty of testimonials about how other websites view MediaWiki's features in places like MediaWiki testimonials/Sites using MediaWiki, and what you wrote seems very run-of-the-mill and doesn't stand up enough above those to warrant a separate page. * Pppery * _{it has begun} 04:57, 24 March 2025 (UTC)

Request for Edit Permission on GrowthExperiments/Help

Hello, I’m AyushKhati, an Outreachy applicant working on task T389124 to add debug logging instructions to GrowthExperiments/Help. My edit was disallowed due to new user restrictions and possibly an external link (Phabricator task). I’ve set up a local MediaWiki instance and aim to improve documentation. Could an admin please grant me edit rights or advise on how to proceed? Thank you! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ayush Khati (talk • contribs) 21:06, 17 March 2025 (UTC)

Apologies for the delayed response. GrowthExperiments/Help does not exist, and it seems like per phab:T389124#10645245 creating a separate page is not the desired solution, so I'm not inclined to exempt you from the mainspace filter. The link spamming filter is very lenient - just making your edit without adding links and then adding them later would avoid it. * Pppery * _{it has begun} 05:00, 24 March 2025 (UTC)

Merge request

Consider merge of {{PhabT }} and {{Phabricator }} as they do the same thing, only slightly different. -- ZandDev (talk) 21:32, 17 March 2025 (UTC)

Context: I created {{Phabricator }} in September 2014, and @QChris (WMF) (now @QChrisNonWMF) created {{PhabT }} in December 2014.

Not sure if there's much value in having the second, but maybe others disagree? Jdforrester (WMF) (talk) 15:48, 21 March 2025 (UTC)

I do not see much use anymore for having both around either. So, FWIW, I'm all for merging them! With the phab:NNN#CCC interwiki link, I'm not sure any of them is actually still needed? Anyway, I think it would be good to merge them. --QChrisNonWMF (talk) 06:11, 22 March 2025 (UTC)

Agreed. So, if you want to merge them, go ahead. * Pppery * _{it has begun} 05:02, 24 March 2025 (UTC)

Report concerning User:Naeem EDU

• Naeem EDU (talk • contribs • logs • rights • global account) — Reasons: Spam-only account XReport --Three Sixty (talk) 21:14, 22 March 2025 (UTC)

Blocked by Clump. * Pppery * _{it has begun} 05:01, 24 March 2025 (UTC)

Edit request

Hi there. I cannot edit the page so posting here instead of the talk page. Can someone remove the reference to the Flow sandbox; it is now obsolete given that it is now read only. The page in question is Template:Please leave this line alone and write below (this is the coloured heading) (I also fail to understand why this page is even fully protected). ToadetteEdit (talk) 09:11, 25 March 2025 (UTC)

I guess there is some bug here. The page appears to be fully protected but I couldn't find the relevant logs, and I can see IP edits from almost two decades ago. Sounds illogical, but how this page is protected and when was it protected. It doesn't make sense to me... ToadetteEdit (talk) 09:15, 25 March 2025 (UTC)

Looking at the logs of the page's previous titles, looks like it may have been protected in November 2005 as Sandbox:Instructions. Best, ‍—‍a smart kitten_[meow] 09:25, 25 March 2025 (UTC)

Done. --Clump (talk) 11:18, 25 March 2025 (UTC)

I've reduced the protection to semi. Since it's translatable nobody can really do anything that bad there as stuff won't show up in the actual sandbox until it's marked. * Pppery * _{it has begun} 18:05, 25 March 2025 (UTC)

Report concerning User:128.75.116.72

• 128.75.116.72 (talk • contribs • logs • rights • global account) — Reasons: Vandalism XReport --ASid (talk) 13:23, 25 March 2025 (UTC)

Looks like others have handled this. * Pppery * _{it has begun} 18:05, 25 March 2025 (UTC)

IMPORTANT: Admin activity review

Hello. A policy regarding the removal of "advanced rights" (administrator, bureaucrat, interface administrator, etc.) was adopted by global community consensus in 2013. According to this policy, the stewards are reviewing administrators' activity on all Wikimedia Foundation wikis with no inactivity policy. To the best of our knowledge, your wiki does not have a formal process for removing "advanced rights" from inactive accounts. This means that the stewards will take care of this according to the admin activity review.

We have determined that the following users meet the inactivity criteria (no edits and no logged actions for more than 2 years):

1. User:ATDT (administrator)
2. User:Az1568 (administrator)
3. User:Catrope (administrator)
4. User:Florianschmidtwelzow (administrator)
5. User:Matanya (administrator)
6. User:MaxSem (administrator)
7. User:Rogerhc (administrator)
8. User:Shanmugamp7 (administrator)
9. User:Wugapodes (administrator)
10. User:Yair rand (administrator)
11. User:😂 (administrator)

These users will receive a notification soon, asking them to start a community discussion if they want to retain some or all of their rights. If the users do not respond, then their advanced rights will be removed by the stewards.

However, if you as a community would like to create your own activity review process superseding the global one, want to make another decision about these inactive rights holders, or already have a policy that we missed, then please notify the stewards on Meta-Wiki so that we know not to proceed with the rights review on your wiki. Thanks, EPIC (talk) 16:49, 22 February 2025 (UTC)

In the previous AAR round we kept Catrope since his staff account wasn't inactive. It still isn't. * Pppery * _{it has begun} 20:14, 7 March 2025 (UTC)

@Pppery: so should we take this as Catrope's flags should be kept? If that should be your only exception here I assume the rest could be removed though (including Matanya who has agreed to removal). EPIC (talk) 20:07, 14 March 2025 (UTC)

I guess so ... I'm not happy with the lack of community input from anyone other than myself here, but, unless anyone else comments, keep Catrope and remove everyone else. * Pppery * _{it has begun} 20:08, 14 March 2025 (UTC)

I'd actually recommend the removal of the sysop flag of Catrope as well. The last time it was used was 7 years ago. Also considering that sysop rights isn't that difficult to get here and the lack of input from Catrope, there really isn't any strong reason to exclude his flag removal. Minorax (talk) 07:01, 23 March 2025 (UTC)

I agree with Minorax. Obviously it is not needed for Catrope. If the user needs the rights for their WMF account, they could request it via the WMF process. --Ameisenigel (talk) 08:42, 23 March 2025 (UTC)

Belatedly noting that this is fine with me - I was just trying to make sure the consensus the community came to last year (Project:Village Pump/Flow/2024/02#IMPORTANT: Admin activity review) wasn't forgotten about through silence. * Pppery * _{it has begun} 04:54, 24 March 2025 (UTC)

Noting that EPIC completed this on 24 March. Wugapodes (talk) 19:08, 26 March 2025 (UTC)

Flow cleanup bot supervised run nearing completion

Just a heads up to the community - I've basically finished my manual testing of User:Flow cleanup bot. A bunch of quirks are documented on the user page, but I'm at this point satisfied that it does everything that is practical to do, even though it isn't a perfect representation.

I intend to run the bot in unsupervised mode to convert all ~8500 Flow boards to wikitext some time in late February or early March. This is your last chance to comment on the matter. * Pppery * _{it has begun} 03:34, 12 February 2025 (UTC)

@Pppery: Sounds good! Jdforrester (WMF) (talk) 16:40, 12 February 2025 (UTC)

How do you manage link to Flow topics (for instance this link:Topic:Yhej89rb95p69aei)? They were used to quote previous comments, sometimes with an anchor equivalent to a permalink (like this). Trizek_(WMF) (talk) 09:51, 13 February 2025 (UTC)

I don't right now. It's on my queue to wrangle those later, but not something I've coded yet, or will code in the immediate future. While for the supervised bits I've often been deleting the Flow board my plan for the main bot run is to let Flow talk page manager move to page to "Pagename/Flow" and then overwrite the stub it leaves behind with the export so the links will continue to work until Flow is fully uninstalled. * Pppery * _{it has begun} 18:20, 15 February 2025 (UTC)

Thank you. Keeping links working was part of the feedback I collected from community members. I think it is important to respond to this request, as we have 10 years of hyperlinked conversations to convert. Trizek_(WMF) (talk) 16:48, 17 February 2025 (UTC)

Timing update: I'm going to do the full run as soon as the second FlowMoveBoardsToSubpages run is done, and T385132 (patches already in review) is resolved and deployed. * Pppery * _{it has begun} 22:32, 21 February 2025 (UTC)

Things are happening slower than I expected. It's now looking like this will happen mid to late March (and I'm going to extend the temporary rights on Flow cleanup bot, which will expire before then). * Pppery * _{it has begun} 03:07, 1 March 2025 (UTC)

I am going to run this next Tuesday (or as soon as the next MediaWiki version with the Parsoid fix is deployed). * Pppery * _{it has begun} 20:56, 7 March 2025 (UTC)

This is running now. It will probably take most of the day and into tomorrow to run. * Pppery * _{it has begun} 18:32, 11 March 2025 (UTC)

@Pppery: the bot is importing some pages to <talk page title>/Flow export (e.g. [1], [2]). Just to double-check, is this something that anyone needs to worry about/do anything about, or will things end up fixing themselves? Best, ‍—‍a smart kitten_[meow] 21:34, 11 March 2025 (UTC)

It's intended for now. If there's an empty stub with no content (or a redlink) at the base page it puts the export there, otherwise it puts it at /Flow export since I don't want to clobber the Flow board for reasons explained earlier in this thread. I'm honestly not sure what to do in those cases. My thinking for now is to leave them at /Flow export until Flow is fully undeployed, and then move them to the title without /Flow export. Other suggestions welcome. * Pppery * _{it has begun} 21:37, 11 March 2025 (UTC)

The main bot run has now finished, importing ~8000 exported Flow boards. I'm going to process the special cases it punted on or skipped tomorrow, since it's after midnight in my timezone now. * Pppery * _{it has begun} 04:29, 12 March 2025 (UTC)

Superb work, thank you. Jdforrester (WMF) (talk) 16:35, 13 March 2025 (UTC)

I've finished cleaning up almost all of the edge cases now. At this point the only Flow board that still needs importing is the support desk, which is being a pain due to its huge size (even just one month's worth of posts is several times more content than the import interface will tolerate). I'll deal with that somehow tomorrow. * Pppery * _{it has begun} 03:30, 15 March 2025 (UTC)

As a random possible thought, is it worth coordinating with a willing sysadmin to use importDump.php ? ‍—‍a smart kitten_[meow] 07:05, 15 March 2025 (UTC)

Perhaps it could have been, but I've decided to modify the script to just do the import in batches of 50 revisions, which is slightly ugly but works. * Pppery * _{it has begun} 14:08, 15 March 2025 (UTC)

Even that was a pain at times, and took hours with several false starts. Anyway, I've now finally imported the support desk, so I hereby declare this phase of Flow deprecation is complete. I do still plan to do a bot run to fix links to "Topic:" pages as I suggested above later, but first I'm going to take a long break from editing MediaWiki.org because I've been working on this pretty much nonstop for days and it's probably proved to be one of the hardest coding projects I've ever done in my life. * Pppery * _{it has begun} 01:50, 16 March 2025 (UTC)

I've started writing and testing the code to fix links to the topic namespace, replacing them with the DiscussionTools header or comment ID. Examples at Special:Contributions/Pppery (alt). This is going to be like before, where there's a main bot run and then a lot of edge-case fixes where something about the Flow structure means I can't find the header or comment they intended to link to ...

Finally this only fixes local links on MediaWiki.org, of course. Links on other websites are going to have to die, or be dealt with via another process like phab:T389680. It isn't really practical to maintain a database of topic -> wikitext export links for every single topic as there are 100,000 of them and the current code is best-effort not 100% accurate.

I'm going to run the main bot run for links in a few days. * Pppery * _{it has begun} 00:04, 24 March 2025 (UTC)

I have now gone a head and fixed links to both Flow topics and LiquidThreads threads. Which I had expected to be a fairly simple project, but instead ended up taking a full day of work and stumbling across so many edge cases, including a former admin clobbering some talk page comments from 2014 by invoking Cthulhu (okay, that's slightly embellished). * Pppery * _{it has begun} 19:29, 27 March 2025 (UTC)

Report concerning User:5.125.5.205

• 5.125.5.205 (talk • contribs • logs • rights • global account) — Reasons: Vandalism XReport --ASid (talk) 00:50, 27 March 2025 (UTC)

Stale. * Pppery * _{it has begun} 15:42, 27 March 2025 (UTC)

Cannot edit external link on Extension:ExtendedStatistics

Hi everyone. I wanted to fix the external link on the Extension:ExtendedStatistics, which does not work any more. The correct link is https://en.wiki.bluespice.com/wiki/Reference:BlueSpiceExtendedStatistics. But I got a message that adding external links is forbidden (It seems that you're trying to add an external link to a page. Please note that this site (MediaWiki.org) is not Wikipedia. MediaWiki.org exists solely for the documentation of the MediaWiki software and that off-topic material is not accepted here.).

I'm reporting this so that someone with higher level can update the link, and a suggestion that some pages (like this one) should have external links allowed. Kazink (talk) 09:19, 27 March 2025 (UTC)

Done. --Clump (talk) 12:02, 27 March 2025 (UTC)

Request to disable local filter 79

• 79 (hist · logs)

We have global filter 384 which disallows repeating characters, making the local filter (which warns and tags) redundant. Because of this, please disable filter 79. Thank you. Codename Noreste (talk) 06:25, 31 March 2025 (UTC)

Done Leaderboard (talk) 15:43, 3 April 2025 (UTC)

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