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Update: We completely revised the interface for this feature based on user feedback and user test.

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Jcornelius (talkcontribs)

Hi there,

just by coincidence I had an edit conflict last week and used the updated "two column edit conflict view" – as I was positively surprised. I really like the view, the possibility to switch between wiki text view and wysiwyg/visual view and – especially – the possibility to edit directly in this view.


Thanks a lot for your work!

Johanna Strodt (WMDE) (talkcontribs)

Thanks so much!

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IKhitron (talkcontribs)

Hello. Is there a way to return to previous version of the tool, a couple of weeks ago? It was wonderful. I can't even understand the current one, but trying to use all the buttons does not help to solve conflicts. If it's impossible, I'll remove it at all. Thank you.

Michael Schönitzer (WMDE) (talkcontribs)

Hi, sorry to hear that. Maybe you can describe us more what your problems with the new interface are, so that we can try to improve it and it's documentation?

IKhitron (talkcontribs)

Thank you for your answer. No problem. I do not know what to do to resolve the conflict. I see too many buttons. I can't understand what each one is for. I can't find how to edit the current version so I could paste my changes. And so on.

Michael Schönitzer (WMDE) (talkcontribs)

Hi, for our better understanding: did you see/use the help-button? If so, did the help dialogs helped?

IKhitron (talkcontribs)

One, the previous version was extremally intuitive, so I did not need any help. And two, no, I did not.

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There should be an option to use both

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PaterMcFly (talkcontribs)

When getting a conflict on a talk page (because another user has added a comment on the same topic), I would like to be able to "use both", mine after the other (or vice versa, not sure we need both options).

Czar (talkcontribs)

This would be great. The conflict view mainly triggers in cases like this for me. For example, two "!votes" on a page should be added sequentially if they both start with a single #. Or if two people respond to the same talk page comment, both at the ::: level, can set the first registered comment to ::: and the second to ::* to keep at the same level but differentiate the second comment. (Not watching page but ping me as needed)

Draceane (talkcontribs)

There is no option to merge conflicting edits, is there? It would be really helpful to add this feature...

Michael Schönitzer (WMDE) (talkcontribs)

Hi, thanks for you inputs and the proposals! I create a phabricator-task for this: T213270, so we have it on our radar and can take a look. Can you also take a look at the ticket if this describes your issue well?

@Draceane: have you noticed that you can edit every section to merge in your edits?

PaterMcFly (talkcontribs)

@Michael Schönitzer (WMDE): Thanks for creating the ticket. Meanwhile I did find the workaround with edit-and-copy, but as stated by you, this is unintuitive and ugly.

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Who brings this stuff on my page when I do not want it? And it does not work, it sucks

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Kipala (talkcontribs)

Suddenly this beta feature pops up. Did i choose it? Cannot remember! So why do i get it?

And it does not work! My changes disappear, the whole paragraph.

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Kipala (talkcontribs)
Kipala (talkcontribs)

After the appearance of that Beta window text the paragraphs on the page after January 2017 are invisible. I think my changes are there, because history shows it and the edit view shows it, too. Somebody please fix it fast ~~~~

Thiemo Kreuz (WMDE) (talkcontribs)

The page sw:User talk:Riccardo Riccioni was destroyed in January 2017 by these two edits. This was never reverted. There was an unclosed <ref> tag on the page since then. This is an error in the wikitext, but was ignored by the parser. This changed yesterday when this edit added some wikitext that hapend to contain something that appeared to be a closing </ref>. Since then, the parser tried to parse the entire content between the previously unclosed <ref> and the only </ref> it could find as a reference, but failed to do so.

I fixed the page.

This had nothing to do with the TwoColumnConflict Beta feature. Actually, I'm curious how you could have ended in an edit conflict in this particular situation? The page history does not look like another user was trying to edit the same time. Are you sure it was this page where you have seen the TwoColumnConflict interface?

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I keep getting conflicted by myself.

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Ruthven (talkcontribs)

After I figured out where to edit the text (my version, his version, the original one) and integratin' the conflict, saving brings me back to almost to original Conflict View. nothing is saved.

Editing again, brings me back to another Conflict View, very similar to the former. Editing + saving doesn't solve anything. It's a bug or a funny feature? :)

IKhitron (talkcontribs)

Are you on mobile or on desktop slow computer?

Ruthven (talkcontribs)

Desktop, relatively fast connection and computer. Eventually I went out of the loop, but I saved twice the same message.

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IKhitron (talkcontribs)

Weird.

Michael Schönitzer (WMDE) (talkcontribs)

Hey, sounds similar to a bug, we already fixed a month ago. Has this happened more than one time? Can you send us a screenshot (if it happens again). Also would be good if you can say us on what edit it was occurring and what browser (version) you are using. Thanks for reporting!

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HorsesAreNice (talkcontribs)

I had finished a table on an article, but edit conflict won't let me publish, even after a couple of minutes. Why? ~~~~

Lea Voget (WMDE) (talkcontribs)

Hi @HorsesAreNice,

thanks for the report! Can you help us understanding the situation a little bit better? We need to know:

- What did you do? (Do you still have the option of making a screenshot of the situation? Which versions did you select? Did you click on "preview changes" or "show changes"?)

- What did you expect to happen? (Do I understand it correctly that you clicked on "Resolve conflict", thinking that the conflict would be resolved and you would be redirected to the reading version of the article, but that did not happen?)

- What happened instead? (Did the page flicker and then appeared again as if it was a new conflict? Did the changes you make stay, or was everything gone? Or did something entirely different happen?)

Thank you very much in advance!

Lea

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Ziko (talkcontribs)

Hello, it is possible that I did not really understand the tool, but it does not help me much. I had a conflict and did not want to choose between my and the other edits. Both were fine. I wanted to have both published, and as the edits happened in two different sections of the page, I think that should be possible. But well, I had to do what I always did: copy my source text, reopen the page and paste my source text. No advantage over the old system.

Thiemo Kreuz (WMDE) (talkcontribs)

Thanks for letting us know. Feedback like this is very welcome. Can you please let us know which exact page on which wiki you edited when you run into this situation?

Ziko (talkcontribs)
Thiemo Kreuz (WMDE) (talkcontribs)

I'm not sure I understand the issue. The edit appears to be pretty massive, basically touching the entire page. As far as I can see it was not made by editing a section, but by editing the whole page. These appear to be the two other edits that have been made in the meantime. (Update: I tried to reproduce this locally, and these edits don't lead to a conflict.) If it's true that your edit also contained these sections, but in an older version, an edit conflict is to be expected then. The idea of the new edit conflict interface is to be able to select both the two new versions these other edits created, as well as your new version.

I think the issue might be that consecutive paragraphs are merged into bigger chunks, and the interface did not gave you the possibility to have fine-grained control over which paragraph to pick from which side. Could that be? Are you able to provide a screenshot?

Ziko (talkcontribs)
Thiemo Kreuz (WMDE) (talkcontribs)

Thanks for the follow up! I believe I was able to reproduce the situation you run into. I might miss something, but what I have seen so far is all expected behavior. This is what happened, as far as I understood it:

  • Your edit was meant to add a section directly below "Inhalt der rechten Spalte", just as this diff shows.
  • At the same time another user moved a section between the two columns, as seen in this diff. This edit touched the same line directly below "Inhalt der rechten Spalte". There must be a conflict because of this.
  • In my replay of this situation I got a conflict resolution screen as I would expect it. It showed the moved section being in conflict with the new section.

I understand that neither picking the left side (the new section would get lost), nor the right (this would undo the move) can solve such a conflict. We will keep this in mind and think of ways to deal with such a situation.

What the interface currently allows is this: Make sure the left side with the other users version is selected for all sections. Then copy your new section from the right side and paste it into one of the small text editors on the left side. Don't replace the text in the text editor, but insert your section exactly where you want it to appear. This might not be that convenient, but worked in my replay.

Ziko (talkcontribs)

Hey, thank you very much for your explanations! I think I will deal easier now with the problem in future cases!


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The Nth User (talkcontribs)

I have included the text on the page:



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== SMILESmaster, you are invited to the Teahouse! == {| style="margin: 1em 4em;" |- valign="top" | [[File:WP teahouse logo 2.png|alt=Teahouse logo|link=w:en:WP:Teahouse|File:WP teahouse logo 2.png by User:Heatherawalls, licensed under CC BY-SA 3.0]] | <div style="background-color:#f4f3f0; color: #393D38; padding: 0.4em 1em;border-radius:10px; font-size: 1.1em;"> Hi '''SMILESmaster'''! Thanks for contributing to Wikipedia. <br />Be our guest at [[w:WP:teahouse|the Teahouse]]! The Teahouse is a friendly space where new editors can ask questions about contributing to Wikipedia and get help from experienced editors like {{noping|Gestrid}} ([[User_talk:Gestrid|talk]]). <div class="submit ui-button ui-widget ui-state-default ui-corner-all ui-button-text-only" role="button" aria-disabled="false" style="float: left;"><span class="ui-button-text">[[WP:Teahouse|Visit the Teahouse]]</span></div> <div style="text-align:right;">We hope to see you there! <small>Delivered by {{noping|HostBot}} on behalf of the [[WP:Teahouse/Hosts|Teahouse hosts]]</small> <small>16:05, 29 September 2018 (UTC)</small></div> </div> |} [[Category:Wikipedians who have received a Teahouse invitation]] == Welcome == As no one else seems to have done it yet - Welcome to Wikipedia! It’s good to see a new chemistry editor. I see you’ve set yourself the task of sorting through our SMILES strings, which is certainly something that needs doing. Might I suggest [http://www.cheminfo.org/wikipedia/# this site] (doesn't work in IE) which maintains a list of errors as well as a list of pages without SMILES at all (see the ‘Browse errors’ section). If you’re feeling social, the chemistry editing community maintains an active [[Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Chemistry|Wiki-project page]], where we discuss problems and the like. Do feel welcome to join us (no obligation!). Finally, if you get stuck at all do feel free to drop me a message and I’ll see if I can help. --[[User:Project Osprey|Project Osprey]] ([[User talk:Project Osprey|talk]]) 09:06, 9 October 2018 (UTC) == ArbCom 2018 election voter message == {{Ivmbox|Hello, SMILESmaster. Voting in the '''[[WP:ACE2018|2018 Arbitration Committee elections]]''' is now open until 23.59 on Sunday, 3 December. All users who registered an account before Sunday, 28 October 2018, made at least 150 mainspace edits before Thursday, 1 November 2018 and are not currently blocked are eligible to vote. Users with alternate accounts may only vote once. The [[WP:ARBCOM|Arbitration Committee]] is the panel of editors responsible for conducting the [[Wikipedia:Arbitration|Wikipedia arbitration process]]. It has the authority to impose binding solutions to disputes between editors, primarily for serious conduct disputes the community has been unable to resolve. This includes the authority to impose [[WP:BAN|site bans]], [[WP:TBAN|topic bans]], editing restrictions, and other measures needed to maintain our editing environment. The [[Wikipedia:Arbitration/Policy|arbitration policy]] describes the Committee's roles and responsibilities in greater detail. If you wish to participate in the 2018 election, please review [[Wikipedia:Arbitration Committee Elections December 2018/Candidates|the candidates]] and submit your choices on the '''[[Special:SecurePoll/vote/710|voting page]]'''. [[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]] ([[User talk:MediaWiki message delivery|talk]]) 18:42, 19 November 2018 (UTC) |Scale of justice 2.svg|imagesize=40px}} == SMILES that I'm working on == There are a few SMILES that I've tried but failed to fix that you might be interested in helping me with. I'll link the talk page discussions. *[[Talk:Chromium(II)_acetate#SMILES]] *[[Talk:Gallium_arsenide#SMILES]] *[[Talk:Diamond#SMILES]] (arguably successful but hasn't been put in yet) Can you look at them and see what you can do? Thank you. [[User talk:The_Nth_User|Care to differ or discuss with me?]] [[User:The_Nth_User|The N<sup>th</sup> User]] 02:27, 27 November 2018 (UTC) : Thank you {{User|The_Nth_User}} for contacting me. I tried my best to fix the 2 SMILES's. But one needs to keep in mind that the SMILES was created to encode standard organic molecules and is not very good for organometallic structures and even worse for the inorganic ones. There is nothing like coordinate bond in the SMILES syntax. You can try to view the SMILES using the CDK depict service at https://www.simolecule.com/cdkdepict/depict.html ::Actually, I realized that I forgot to put the water ligands in brackets, so the program treated the 2 after H as meaning that the hydrogen atom was in a ring. Once I put brackets in, the SMILES worked much better, but for some reason, [https://chemapps.stolaf.edu/jmol/jmol.php?model=%5BCr%5D1234(%5BOH2%5D)=%5BCr%5D(%5BOH2%5D)(O%5BC-%5D(C)O1)(O%5BC-%5D(C)O2)(O%5BC-%5D(C)O3)(O%5BC-%5D(C)O4) the symbols for triple and quadruple bonds don't work], even when I use the escape codes. [[User talk:The_Nth_User|Care to differ or discuss with me?]] [[User:The_Nth_User|The N<sup>th</sup> User]] 00:18, 30 November 2018 (UTC) ::Also, other page with a SMILES error is [[dicarbon]], but not even [CH0]=[CH0], which explicitly states that the molecule doesn't have any hydrogen, seems to work. [[User talk:The_Nth_User|Care to differ or discuss with me?]] [[User:The_Nth_User|The N<sup>th</sup> User]] 00:23, 30 November 2018 (UTC) ::: The SMILES [C]=[C] is the correct SMILES for dicarbon, concerning the quadruple bond, this is not part of the standard SMILES (although some software vendors implemented it as an extension, but you cannot rely that it will work universally). Concerning the organometallic structure you are linking to, it looks that the 4 carbons have only 3 bonds, should not they have an additional hydrogen attached? [[User:SMILESmaster|SMILESmaster]] ([[User talk:SMILESmaster#top|talk]]) 09:42, 30 November 2018 (UTC) ::::For me, [C]=[C] renders as ethene. As for the chromium compound, the carboxylate group as a whole as a negative charge, which I put on the carbon so each oxygen could single-bond with the chromium without being hypervalent. Acetate has three hydrogen atoms, and each acetate group in the model has that number of atoms, so I do not think that it needs to be changed. However, [https://chemapps.stolaf.edu/jmol/jmol.php?model=%5BCr-%5D1234(%5BO+H2%5D)=%5BCr-%5D(%5BO+H2%5D)(O%5BC-%5D(C)O1)(O%5BC-%5D(C)O2)(O%5BC-%5D(C)O3)(O%5BC-%5D(C)O4) I figured out a way to get the water to display better.] [[User talk:The_Nth_User|Care to differ or discuss with me?]] [[User:The_Nth_User|The N<sup>th</sup> User]] 00:43, 1 December 2018 (UTC)

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:::::I just noticed something else: For the previous SMILES, if I remove the H2 from the oxygen atom for each of the water molecules (The H2 is unnecessary because the oxygen atom in each water molecule has a formal charge of +1.), [https://chemapps.stolaf.edu/jmol/jmol.php?model=%5BCr-%5D1234(%5BO+%5D)=%5BCr-%5D(%5BO+%5D)(O%5BC-%5D(C)O1)(O%5BC-%5D(C)O2)(O%5BC-%5D(C)O3)(O%5BC-%5D(C)O4) the oxygen atoms in the acetates align for the two chromium atoms]. [https://chemapps.stolaf.edu/jmol/jmol.php?model=%5BCr-%5D1234(%5BO+%5D)=%5BCr-%5D(%5BO+%5D)(o%5BC-%5D(C)O1)(O%5BC-%5D(C)O2)(O%5BC-%5D(C)O3)(O%5BC-%5D(C)O4) Making one of the oxygen atoms for the acetate groups lowercase (signifying resonance) reverses this], although [https://chemapps.stolaf.edu/jmol/jmol.php?model=%5BCr-%5D1234(%5BO+%5D)=%5BCr-%5D(%5BO+%5D)(o%5Bc-%5D(C)o1)(o%5Bc-%5D(C)o2)(o%5Bc-%5D(C)o3)(o%5Bc-%5D(C)o4) doing this for all of the carboxylate groups does not]. [[User talk:The_Nth_User|Care to differ or discuss with me?]] [[User:The_Nth_User|The N<sup>th</sup> User]] 03:29, 5 December 2018 (UTC) :::::I just noticed something else: For the previous SMILES, if I remove the H2 from the oxygen atom for each of the water molecules (The H2 is unnecessary because the oxygen atom in each water molecule has a formal charge of +1.), [https://chemapps.stolaf.edu/jmol/jmol.php?model=%5BCr-%5D1234(%5BO+%5D)=%5BCr-%5D(%5BO+%5D)(O%5BC-%5D(C)O1)(O%5BC-%5D(C)O2)(O%5BC-%5D(C)O3)(O%5BC-%5D(C)O4) the oxygen atoms in the acetates align for the two chromium atoms]. [https://chemapps.stolaf.edu/jmol/jmol.php?model=%5BCr-%5D1234(%5BO+%5D)=%5BCr-%5D(%5BO+%5D)(o%5BC-%5D(C)O1)(O%5BC-%5D(C)O2)(O%5BC-%5D(C)O3)(O%5BC-%5D(C)O4) Making one of the oxygen atoms for the acetate groups lowercase (signifying resonance) reverses this], although [https://chemapps.stolaf.edu/jmol/jmol.php?model=%5BCr-%5D1234(%5BO+%5D)=%5BCr-%5D(%5BO+%5D)(o%5Bc-%5D(C)o1)(o%5Bc-%5D(C)o2)(o%5Bc-%5D(C)o3)(o%5Bc-%5D(C)o4) doing this for all of the carboxylate groups does not].~~~~   ° ± × ÷ · §   Sign your posts on talk pages: ~~~~   Cite your sources: <ref></ref>

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Michael Schönitzer (WMDE) (talkcontribs)

Hello. Thank you for your message. We think that this is not a bug in our beta-feature but a rare bug in the original code of the edit conflict detection. I created a ticket for it: T211187. Could you please read through it and look if I got it right or if any potential important information is missing?

The Nth User (talkcontribs)

I can't remember whether or not I did it this time, but I know that a similar thing happened once before because I double-clicked the Publish button. Besides that (and I didn't even mention it originally), you got everything. Thank you.~~~~

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Edit is lost by viewing changes

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Summary by Thiemo Kreuz (WMDE)
Vort (talkcontribs)

If you make an edit with this interface, click on "Show changes" to check if edit is good and press "Publish", your edit will disappear.

That happens because after clicking on "Show changes", edit is removed and "Publish" click saves nothing.

Thiemo Kreuz (WMDE) (talkcontribs)

Sorry to hear that, and thanks for letting us know! Feekback like this is very relevant in the projects current phase. I tried to reproduce the situation exactly as described:

  • In the conflict resolution interface I picked my side (the blue right side) and made an edit. Confirming the edit with the checkmark button is optional.
  • I clicked "Show changes". My edit appears in the diff, and the conflict resolution interface below.
  • I clicked the publish button. My edit appears in the final page.

I'm afraid we need more information to understand what exactly happened in the situation you run into. Do you remember if you did something different than described above? Did it happened again?

Vort (talkcontribs)

@Thiemo Kreuz (WMDE), I didn't knew about check mark. It is not mentioned in section "How to solve an edit conflict".

The differences is that I've picked and edited other side.

Here is the screenshots: before, after.

At the second screenshot you can see that left edit field is reverted to its original state.

Thiemo Kreuz (WMDE) (talkcontribs)

Thanks a lot for the detailed response! What I can reproduce now is slightly different, but there is definitely something off that needs fixing. I created phab:T210501 to keep track of this issue.

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Getting it on every talk page

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Summary by Thiemo Kreuz (WMDE)
Cymru.lass (talkcontribs)

I'm getting the edit conflict viewer on every talk page I post on. Just got an edit conflict viewer on wikipedia:Template talk:Edit fully-protected, even though the last edit to the page was three days before mine. And then somehow it both posted my edit and did a null edit afterwards, even though I only clicked "Submit" once. Not sure what's going on here.

Michael Schönitzer (WMDE) (talkcontribs)

Hey, that seems like a important bug! but we will replace the current version of the extension with a totally new version anyway this week (depending on the wiki and your timezone it will go live between Tuesday and Friday).

Should this bug still occur with the new version, please write us or ping me, then I will hand this to the developers!

Cymru.lass (talkcontribs)

Cool beans! Thanks for the quick reply. :)

Thiemo Kreuz (WMDE) (talkcontribs)

I tried to reproduce the issue but wasn't successful. @Cymru.lass, can you try to explain how exactly you did the edit in your example? I mean, do you use the "Add topic" feature on top of the page? Do you use VisualEditor? Do you click "edit source" on the last paragraph and add your own wikitext?

Cymru.lass (talkcontribs)

Hello! I use edit source, not VE. The error is happening on Wikipedia, so no threaded conversations there. I'm trying to remember if it was when I was editing a section or full talk page but I'm coming up blank.

Thiemo Kreuz (WMDE) (talkcontribs)

Ok, thanks! Unfortunately this was my test setup, and I couldn't reproduce it. Can you share a few more details about your setup, e.g. your browser, possible browser plugins (e.g. NoScript), Gadgets enabled in your Wikipedia settings, user scripts you are using? Can you try to delete all cookies that contain the wikipedia.org domain, login again, and tell us if the error still happens?

Draceane (talkcontribs)

Hi, using Wiki Editor 2010, I have probably same issue while editing Commons. I doesn't occur while editing other wikis. Regards.

Peter Bowman (talkcontribs)

Since 1.33.0-wmf.3, I am getting a conflict on every single page, even those in which I submitted the latest change. WikiEditor 2010.

Erutuon (talkcontribs)

I just had the edit conflict show up when I clicked "edit" on a section in the entry for "luna" on English Wiktionary. I think I'll disable the gadget. I'm using Firefox Quantum 64 if that helps. I always use the wikitext editor (not Visual Editor) and have lots of user scripts and gadgets enabled.

Eirikr (talkcontribs)

This very broken edit conflict view started appearing for me today. I edited earlier this afternoon (I always use the wikitext editor), and no edit conflict -- I got the normal desired behavior. I log in this evening (US eastern time), and now I get this broken gadget interfering.

Basic symptoms:

  • Make sure you're logged in.
  • Edit any page or section of a page using the wikitext editor.
  • Click the Show preview button.
  • Observe that the gadget claims an edit conflict with the last edit, even if that was days ago.
  • Observe also that the gadget seems to claim that edits to subsections will replace the content of the entire page, not just the intended subsection.

Does not happen if not logged in.

Happens in both Chrome and Firefox.

Highly undesirable behavior -- I saw no notification that this was going to be suddenly enabled, no explanation of what it was, and I see no clear way of disabling it. Not only is the unexplained and substantial change in UI both confusing and unwanted, but the basic edit conflict feature itself appears to be fundamentally broken.

Eirikr (talkcontribs)

PS: I'm getting it on every Wiktionary page -- mainspace, Talk, Wiktionary, Category, everything I've tried so far.

Jc86035 (talkcontribs)

I would also like to report that the new one is not working and thinks I want to overwrite Wikidata's project chat.

Lea Voget (WMDE) (talkcontribs)

Hi everyone, thanks for reporting the issue! We are disabling the feature until we found the bug, this really does not sound good. If you are NOT a beta feature user of TwoColConflict, and still had these issues, please let us know!

93.243.194.191 (talkcontribs)

We believe we fixed the bug yesterday and cannot reproduce the issue anymore. Can you please tell us if this is still happening to anyone of you? If not, I will mark this as resolved. Thanks again for reporting in the first place!

Lea Voget (WMDE) (talkcontribs)

(and I forgot to log in - this was me, Lea)

Peter Bowman (talkcontribs)

It does not happen anymore to me (wiktionary projects), thanks!

Erutuon (talkcontribs)

I re-enabled the feature and so far it seems to be behaving. Whew!