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Edit conflicts (with myself)

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Nick Moyes (talkcontribs)

Quite frequently I post a reply and find an Edit Conflict alert, but then discover that my post was published and that the edit conflict notification is actually with myself. It's as if I've double-clicked 'Publish', and my second (blank) edit is trying to overwrite my original response.

I find this quite annoying, though I do generally like the interface as I edit at a very active Forum (the English Wikipedia Teahouse). I am using Winndows 10 Home 64 bit, on Chrome browser Version 86.0.4240.198

My one suggested improvement is to provide a 'Click to copy contents' button so I can quickly select my reply text and ensure I don't completely lose it if things don't work.

Michael Schönitzer (WMDE) (talkcontribs)

Hi, that should not happen. Most likely it's not due to the Paragraph-based Edit Conflict Interface but due to some other changes on the software. We know that a team of the Foundation currently works on something very related. If this happens again, could you please send us an screenshot and the link to the edit?

Nick Moyes (talkcontribs)

Yes - will do that.

Vachovec1 (talkcontribs)

I can confirm this exact behavior. At least one other editor on cs-wiki also encountered this :https://cs.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedie:Pod_l%C3%ADpou_(technika)#Edita%C4%8Dn%C3%AD_konflikt_na_diskusi . It seems to happen occasionally on discussion pages. The last time it happened for me today here: https://cs.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Diskuse_s_wikipedistou:Polanka,_Jando%C5%A1,_%C5%A0%C3%ADma,_Pechmann&action=history . First version of the page (13:31 CET) is the result of clicking on "publish" button. At the same time, the editation conflict interface was inicialized, reporting editation conflict, presumably with myself. The second version of the page (13:32 CET) is the result of "resolving" that editation conflict.


Editing in wikitext editor 2010, Chrome browser, desktop. Other editor on our wiki reports this behavior from Chrome browser on desktop as well, but also from Chrome on Android, classic (not mobile) view.

Nick Moyes (talkcontribs)

I have received some responses from editors at the en-wiki Teahouse (see here) who have also experienced edit conflicts with themselves. I have also captured a screenshot, as requested. See here.


Having tried saving a few edits with very rapid double-clicks of my mouse, I am now starting to wonder whether this might actually be more of an issue caused by over-responsiveness of the blue 'Publish' button which ought not to be able to act on a second mouseclick (or tap) immediately afterwards at all. I tried this intentional rapid double-click on my own talk page, which did cause an edit conflict report . Resolving the conflict only modified the timestamp (rather than adding in a duplicate copy of what I'd posted), but the time wasted in wondering why one has got an edit conflict is probably quite significant - and especially so on busy, talk pages and help fora.

Maybe the folks behind this tool can push to get that over-responsiveness of the mediawiki software Publish button addressed if, as now seems probable, the fault actually lies elsewhere?

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Tzafrir (talkcontribs)

I found that this option never worked for me. The only time I encountered conflicts was when writing something in a discussion page and have someone write something before I post my own.

In that case I would like to have the current version and add my own. But the interface seems to force me to choose between one of them.

What I normally do is go back, copy my text additions, and re-edit the page. The conflicts page merely gets in my way, as in the original interface I could have at least (in most cases) copied and edited the text within it.

Am I missing something?

Lea Voget (WMDE) (talkcontribs)

Hello @Tzafrir, thanks for your feedback!

If you want to keep both versions with the new interface, what I suggest you to do is: Copy e.g. your version, and then select the other person's version. You find a small edit pen in the corner of the other person's text field (e.g. see the sceenshots here). If you click that, you can paste your version underneath. When you save, this new version will be published.

Just in case you are wondering, why we did notdesign the feature with specifically this use case in mind: Although many experienced editors encounter edit conflicts the same way as you, about half of edit conflicts actually appear in the main namespace, e.g. on article pages., and all other namespaces make up at most 1/4 of the main namespace conflict volume.

Lucasbosch (talkcontribs)

I have to agree with Tzafrir. All the edit conflicts I'm encountering are no conflicts at all, it's annoying not having the option to simply append your own comment to the already existing comment, every time I have to skip the edit conflict page to paste it in manually. This feature doesn't help me at all.

JFG (talkcontribs)

+1 on this report. The tool should be smart enough to do the right thing, or at least offer a single-clik "accept both changes and edit further" when writing in a threaded discussion on a talk page. I've been slowed down many times by this.

ScottDavis (talkcontribs)

I have also encountered this issue on talk pages. Would it be possible to have some kind of "keep both" (enhancement request to choose the order) when the conflict is on a talk or Wikipedia page, and the conflicting edits consist only of the addition of full paragraphs which happen to be in the same place?

Ziko (talkcontribs)

I agree. This feature does not help me at all. Copy and paste my own text, and the insert it into the most recent version, that is something I can to without the feature anyway. What is the problem the feature is supposed to help me with?

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Enterprisey (talkcontribs)

Great tool; well done to everyone who worked on this, for making something really cool and solving a tough problem.

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del tag and white-space: pre-wrap

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DonRumata (talkcontribs)

Please add rule .diffchange-inline { white-space: break-spaces; } because Google Chrome incorrect displays diffs with deleted trailing spaces, which tagged inside .diff-deletedline. See Diff Test in Google Chrome. ~~~~

Thiemo Kreuz (WMDE) (talkcontribs)

Thanks for the report, Unfortunately this is unrelated to the two-column conflict-resolution interface. However, thanks to the super helpful example it was easy to create a patch, see gerrit:651181.

DonRumata (talkcontribs)

You accidentally left the old rule white-space: pre-wrap;.

Thiemo Kreuz (WMDE) (talkcontribs)

That's called a fallback for browsers that don't understand the value further down. MediaWiki still needs to support Internet Explorer 11, that's why I did it like this.

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Czeva (talkcontribs)

Hi, just want to say thank you for the tool, which I have just been confronted with for the first time and which I find really helpful. Good job :-)

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41.114.251.169 (talkcontribs)

Hi ineed to know what is Meta I New in this app

Thiemo Kreuz (WMDE) (talkcontribs)
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Interface for discussion conflicts is great

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Wugapodes (talkcontribs)

I really liked the new edit conflict interface (the one with the radio buttons), but even with that, edit conflicts in discussions were still a pain. It was great for articles or editing the same text, but when adding to a discussion, I found myself, more often than not, just reopening the edit-interface and adding my text again because it was easier. I just got this new paragraph-based interface and it's amazing. I'm really excited about this feature and am thankful to everyone who is working on it!


My only suggestion is to add more helpful tooltips or labels. Having seen the previous radio-button interface, this one confused me a bit and it took me some time to figure out what would happen when I hit "publish". I think RoySmith gave a more detailed description below which was similar to my confusion. I remember when I first got the interface with the radio buttons that there were blue dots that were part of a tutorial or something? Could those be reintroduced?

Seewolf (talkcontribs)

+1

Max Klemm (WMDE) (talkcontribs)

Hi @Wugapodes:, thanks for your feedback. We are glad to hear you like the new interfaces.

Currently, there are no blue buttons in the talk page edit conflict interface, but we will take your feedback into consideration and see how we can improve the tooltips and help text as we roll out the interface to more wikis.  --For the Technical Wishes Team

138.19.149.125 (talkcontribs)

+1

Sheenbrino (talkcontribs)

it's good. I don´t hace problems with this tool

Max Klemm (WMDE) (talkcontribs)

Great, we are glad to hear it works for you. :)

维基百科如何添加一二级目录,维基百科内链接怎么添加

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Summary by Thiemo Kreuz (WMDE)

Responded in the user's wiki.

Wlchunxiaodi (talkcontribs)

维基百科如何添加一二级目录,维基百科内链接怎么添加

Camouflaged Mirage (talkcontribs)

您好,一级就这样 == (内容) == 。第二级就这样 === (内容) ===。至于内部链接,想链接的部分放入[[(链接页面名称)]]。如果有不懂的地方,可以去中文维基互助客栈/求助寻求。

Thiemo Kreuz (WMDE) (talkcontribs)

I'm sorry, but I'm afraid I don't get the question. According to the Google Translate service the question is "Wikipedia how to add a primary and secondary directories, how to add links in Wikipedia", which does not make a lot of sense to me. Are you able to post in English?

Camouflaged Mirage (talkcontribs)

Hello, I had replied in zh to their question. Thanks for your attention.

Add button to select all instances of your version

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Summary by Thiemo Kreuz (WMDE)

Done, see phab:T229217.

SUM1 (talkcontribs)

Very frustrating when one tiny edit in one paragraph disrupts an edit you've made that affects 20 other paragraphs and you have to manually click through 19 of them selecting "your version".

Simple feature request. Thank you.