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Esta é uma página para recolher opiniões sobre a proposta de Predefinições globais (Global templates).

Se você leu a proposta e concorda com ela, por favor, assine abaixo. Se você discorda de algo, escreva aqui ou na página de discussão da proposta.

Isto não é uma votação. A decisão sobre esta proposta não será feita apenas contando quantas pessoas são a favor ou contra. Ela não faz parte da Pesquisa da lista de desejos da comunidade ou de qualquer outro processo de divulgação ou planejamento. Se este projeto for implementado, haverá uma mudança significativa na forma como o software nos projetos da Wikimedia funciona, e por isso é importante ver se existe um amplo consenso da comunidade antes de prosseguir com ele.

Conte aos seus wiki-amigos sobre esta página e convide-os a expressar as suas opiniões também. Esta proposta não deve ser "propriedade" de apenas uma pessoa ou um pequeno grupo, mas de toda a comunidade Wikimedia.

Li a proposta e acho que é uma boa ideia

Por favor, assine abaixo se você acha que este é um problema importante para resolver, e se você acha que a solução proposta (versão curta, versão longa) é boa. Se você acha que a direção é geralmente boa, mas tem algumas pequenas correções, indique isso também. Você pode escrever em qualquer idioma.

Li a proposta. Deixe-me explicar por que é uma má ideia

É perfeitamente normal discordar desta proposta. Ela só deve ser implementada se houver um amplo consenso a seu respeito. Antes de assinar abaixo, certifique-se de ter lido pelo menos a versão resumida da proposta de solução e explique qual é o problema com ela. Você pode escrever em qualquer idioma.

  • I read Global templates/Proposed specification, short version and I think that it's a bad idea because... --(your signature)
  • Global templates will inevitable include code that does nothing on some wikis, which, on those wikis, amounts to code bloat. * Pppery * it has begun 17:41, 6 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
    In any case, the user in one Wikimedia sister project could ask a bot to include a global template in the project. The important thing: it can be Wikimeda wide easily / nearly automatically / automatically disposable --BoldLuis (talk) 14:59, 12 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
    @BoldLuis: I don't understand what you're trying to say. * Pppery * it has begun 21:11, 12 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
    @Pppery: You can put in one template Template:Noupdate and can continue using the same template locally. But if in one place want the template globally update, can deciede do so. The choice is in your hand. And in the hand of others for their templates. (I'm sorry if I answer quite a bit later, but it has caught me a very busy time). --BoldLuis (talk) 21:41, 16 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
    @BoldLuis: This doesn't address the problem; I believe the entire infrastructure is a bad idea because it perpetuates code bloat. The result of this system will be, regardless of the efforts of any individual editor or the presence or absence of opt-out templates, is that the template and module namespaces of every wiki will get polluted with pages not relevant to them. I've already seen this happen on the English Wikipedia with en:Module:Complex date/en:Module:LangSwitch/en:Module:DateI18n/en:Module:i18n/*/en:Module:Roman-cd/en:Module:Ordinal-cd/..., all of which are useless except on multi-lingual wikis but exist anyway because of pre-existing ad-hoc template and module globalizations. Implementing this as a well-established bot is doomed to make this problem even worse. * Pppery * it has begun 21:09, 17 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
    So,in your modules en:Module:Complex date/en:Module:LangSwitch/en:Module:DateI18n/en:Module:i18n/*/en:Module:Roman-cd/en:Module:Ordinal-cd (you can include a list), you can add nogupdate. The problem is worse, when you use a text from Wikipedia in non-English to another Wikipedia. Templates are in this other language. If there is a common infrastructure for some templates, you can use in the other language. An idea can be, without translation, because you could use a wizard to see the code template in your own language. What now: copying and pasting a lot of copy from one Wikipedia to the other one and compatibility zero. Babel zero. It is more easy exclude template (also exclude all, excepting XXX ) that have nothing when you need it. BoldLuis (talk) 23:28, 17 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
    You're still misunderstanding me. I'm not complaining about the content of those module pages, I'm complaining that they exist. I would instead have to add the "don't update" magic word to every module that uses them. I think that that effort is large enough that the entire proposal is a bad idea. In short, the "global templates" proposal is saying "every wiki should have every template", whereas I instead feel strongly that "wikis should only have templates that are relevant to them". I believe this difference in ideology to be irreconcilable, and therefore oppose this proposal. * Pppery * it has begun 23:39, 17 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
    The "noupdate" template, which BoldLuis suggests, is not in the proposal, and it won't be necessary.
    More importantly, the "global templates" proposal is absolutely not saying that "every wiki should have every template". It very, very explicitly says the opposite: It must become possible to share templates across wiki sites. Possible, not required. As it is with images: images that must be reusable on all wikis are on Commons, but some images can also be local, for any reason.
    The proposal also explicitly says that it must be possible to make some templates non-global.
    Currently we have forked copies of templates with similar functionality in dozens or even hundreds of wikis. This is a much worse code bloat than having access to a template or a function and not using it. --Amir E. Aharoni {{🌎🌍🌏}} 17:01, 18 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Question: Will there be left room for local variations, thinking of e.g. infoboxes, navigation templates, layout of them, own initiatives to make templates, etc.? Ymnes (talk) 12:09, 27 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    Ymnes, I'm so sorry, I only noticed it now! The answer is yes, of course! It's one of the most important points, and it's written explicitly several times in both the short version and the long version. For example:
    I hope it answers your question! --Amir E. Aharoni {{🌎🌍🌏}} 10:15, 7 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    @Amire80: thank you for your answer! Ymnes (talk) 10:28, 7 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]