Extension talk:Babel

Localisation

I am a translator on translatewiki.net and trying to write documentation for the Babel extension messages. On MediaWiki:Babel-autocreate-text-main, could someone let me know whether the variable $1 is the name or the number of a skill level. Also, I assume that this message is the text of a category page. But this text is not appearing on translatewiki.net so I can't check this out. Lloffiwr 19:13, 2 May 2010 (UTC)

Links of the codes

Can someone tell me how to manipulate which page the language codes link to? Because now they link to the page witch is named equal to the language code on my MediaWiki. Of course this page doesn't exist and I like to link them to the article about the language in the German Wikipedia. --Sannaj 15:53, 16 October 2010 (UTC)

categories

Can someone please provide an example how the configuration of $wgBabelCategoryNames may look like because I do not really understand the explanaition for it and everything I configure produces big bullshit and many categotries I have to delete later on. --DaSch 19:52, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

In your LocalSettings.php add the codes below, (note:you can replace the word "User" that best describes you category)

$wgBabelCategoryNames = array(
		'0' => 'User %code%-0',
		'1' => 'User %code%-1',
		'2' => 'User %code%-2',
		'3' => 'User %code%-3',
		'4' => 'User %code%-4',
		'5' => 'User %code%-5',
		'N' => 'User %code%-N');

set to "false" anything you dont want categorise, for example

$wgBabelCategoryNames = array(
		'0' => false,
		'1' => 'User %code%-1',
		'2' => 'User %code%-2',
		'3' => 'User %code%-3',
		'4' => 'User %code%-4',
		'5' => 'User %code%-5',
		'N' => 'User %code%-N');

Lam-ang (talk) 02:38, 29 May 2012 (UTC)

User boxes

Will the parser function support user boxes, like the old Babel template did? Like this: {{Babel|no|en-3|:Urhixidur/User boxes/Asteroid}}. This does not currently work. Danmichaelo 21:43, 25 September 2011 (UTC)

Old user boxes do work, but only a specific subset of them, namely the "Template:User_XXX". siebrand 08:32, 5 January 2012 (UTC)

Autocreated categories

It looks like all the categories were autocreated as soon as this was deployed. I modified MediaWiki:babel-autocreate-text-levels to change the text but it doesn't seem to have affected any of the existing categories. Is there any way to change all categories that have already been auto-created? --Yair rand 09:29, 5 October 2011 (UTC)

Bots... I don't know whether it makes sense to use the MediaWiki message as a template to let sysop update description, but you could propose it on bugzilla for the future. In he meanwhile, configuration must be set up with care before enabling everything. --Nemo 21:20, 5 October 2011 (UTC)

Version

Why do I get version 1.4.1 instead of the newest, when downloading the files? Also, access to development version is locked. Heinrich krebs 15:32, 18 October 2011 (UTC)

Please provide steps to reproduce (although I think that the issue you may have encountered will probably be resolved now). siebrand 08:30, 5 January 2012 (UTC)

Between proficiency 0 and 1

So, what if you're not a 0, but also not a 1? For example, you have some grasp of a language, but rely on machine translation to get the parts you don't understand? There should be some recognition for languages that are at beginner levels of proficiency. I suggest that level 0 be redefined to include beginners, since otherwise it would not make sense to bother to indicate level 0 proficiency if you had no proficiency at all. Badon 10:03, 5 November 2011 (UTC)

It actually does and someone even feels it's very useful.[1] I disagree with your proposal because 0 is 0, not 0.01 or any positive value; 1 can mean everything depending on your scale (as well as the word "basic"), therefore – although some users ironically use the 0.5 level on wikis with 3 (or even 4 and 5) + 2 levels – you should just use level 1 and specify what you mean in your user page. Don't be too strict, I see presumptuous users that put a level 2 for very basic knowledge of some languages they've never studied. Nemo 10:27, 5 November 2011 (UTC)

Colours

Babel user information

sv-N Den här användaren har svenska som modersmål. ja-N この利用者は日本語を母語としています。 es-5 Esta persona tiene un conocimiento profesional del español. da-4 Denne bruger kan dansk næsten på modersmålsniveau. en-3 This user has advanced knowledge of English. de-2 Dieser Benutzer beherrscht Deutsch auf fortgeschrittenem Niveau. no-1 Denne brukeren har grunnleggende kjennskap til norsk. nn-0 Denne brukaren meistrar ikkje nynorsk (eller skjøner det med store vanskar)

It would be nice if the colours followed some kind of natural colour-scale. For the most commons ones, you have:

• 1, light blue
• 2, blue-green
• 3, back to blue
• N, green again

Tt's too much jumping forward and back between blue and green. And then the yellow 4 and red 5 in completely different colours than the 1,2,3,N blue-green scale. At least the grey zero is reasonable.

I know the css is locally adjustable, but it should be better if the colours "out of the box" would have been chosen with some thought. Boivie 22:34, 16 December 2011 (UTC)

FYI, I have changed the default colours in r107279 to a red to green scheme (except for 5), more or less based on colors used on Commons.

Testing colours:

0 #FFBBBB

0 #FFEEEE

1 #E0C0E0

1 #F3E0F3

2 #BCB9EF

2 #E9E5F9

3 #99B3FF

3 #E0E8FF

4 #77E0E8

4 #D0F8FF

5 #CCCC00

5 #FFFF99

N #6EF7A7

N #C5FCDC

SPQRobin 17:47, 25 December 2011 (UTC)

Thanks, that makes much more sense. Boivie 11:19, 27 December 2011 (UTC)

Võro

Babel user information

vro-N Taa pruukja imäkiil om võro kiil. vro-5 Taa pruukja om võro keele pääle vällä opnuq. vro-4 Taa pruukja mõist võro kiilt pia nigu imäkiilt. vro-3 Taa pruukja mõist väega häste võro kiilt. vro-2 Taa pruukja mõist küländ häste võro kiilt. vro-1 Taa pruukja mõist veidükese võro kiilt. vro-0 Taa pruukja mõist väega veidüq vai ei sukugi võro kiilt. nv-1 Díí choyoołʼįįhí Diné bizaad tʼáá áłtsʼíísígo bił bééhózin. oj-N This user has a native understanding of Ojibwa.

Can the text of those be fixed? They don't follow the usual "This user..." format, plus the text is in Estonian, not Võro. (The Võro language text for the templates can be found here, for example.) — Jeraphine Gryphon 06:36, 30 December 2011 (UTC)

Other languages are incorrect as well. For example, nv-1. The correct nv and oj template texts can be found here and here. Where are the texts located that this extension uses? Stephen G. Brown 07:23, 30 December 2011 (UTC)

I think translations should be made here. But Võro is already translated there, so with that language there's probably another problem. Boivie 11:13, 1 January 2012 (UTC)

@Jeraphine Gryphon: That's weird. It worked until now. The problem is that it falls back incorrectly to Estonian (it should fall back only when it is not translated to Voro). The message MediaWiki:Babel-3/vro contains the text of MediaWiki:Babel-3/et.
@Stephen G. Brown: that is because the translations for nv and oj are done locally, so it would be very good if you or someone else could translate nv and oj so they are available on all wikis (see translatewiki:Special:FirstSteps to translate them). Translation in "oj" is not yet enabled but I can do so if needed. SPQRobin 23:48, 1 January 2012 (UTC)

So what do I do? — Jeraphine Gryphon 01:28, 4 January 2012 (UTC)

@SPQRobin: I recognize that area (translatewiki.net). We tried to do the Navajo translations there in October of 2009, but the admin(s) there inexplicably assumed bad faith on the part of our Navajo translator User:Seb az86556 (who has done an amazing job translating such difficult stuff into Navajo) and revoked his translator privileges, saying "If you want to leave it in English, leave it in English. You have now destroyed your reputation as a localiser. Languages are supposed to treated with respect." Nobody treats languages with more respect than User:Seb az86556 and I, and very few have the experience with foreign languages and translation that we have. I don’t have the names of the admin(s) that User:Seb az86556 was trying to work with at that time, but if he is still around, I don’t think we would want to open ourselves up to any more of that kind of abuse. Stephen G. Brown 17:17, 4 January 2012 (UTC)

Meanwhile, I have mentioned this to User:Seb az86556 and I don’t believe there is any chance that he would ever consent to working with them again, even if the admin in question were to have left the project. User:Seb az86556 was the only one who could have done this job into Navajo, so, unfortunately, that is that as far as any Navajo contributions at translatewiki.net. Stephen G. Brown 18:11, 4 January 2012 (UTC)

@Jeraphine Gryphon: Is it only for Babel, or also other text in Võro that appears in Estonian? If the problem persists, you should report a bug.

@Stephen G. Brown: It is sad to hear that he wouldn't want to work there again. The admin was Siebrand, who is one of the main staff members and I know wouldn't do any kind of "abuse". It was due to misunderstanding intentions. Seb_az86556 "translated" everything while leaving it in English, which should not be done. Would you be able to contribute there? I am also active on translatewiki.net so I am able to help you out if needed. SPQRobin 22:19, 5 January 2012 (UTC)

Sorry it has been so long, I did not receive a notice that there had been a reply. When Seb_az86556 and I came to nv.wikipedia, there was already a lot of bad language, nonsense translations, and even a bunch of very offensive obscenities appearing as common headings, and we were trying to clear these out quickly because they were causing problems among Navajo readership. Localization was going to be a long, arduous task to translate all of the material into Navajo, and we wanted to get rid of the nonsense and offensive terms immediately by resetting them to English. We gave it our best shot but we could not work with Siebrand. Seb will have nothing further to do with it after the way he was treated. I know a number of Navajo speakers who would be able to translate, but to date nobody I know is willing to subject himself to the whims of Siebrand or others like him, so I don't think it is possible that any Native American translator will ever do work there. Instead, we used some slick hacks to cover up and hide the obscenities, and everything we have done has been done locally. If anyone replies to this, remember that I will not be notified and probably will not see the reply. Stephen G. Brown (talk) 06:42, 14 July 2014 (UTC)

I've reviewed the story and I really believe it was just a misunderstanding, corrected 5 years ago as far as I can see.[2] I hope Seb could forgive! Recently we've started exporting to MediaWiki repo all the languages which have a Wikimedia project even if they are below the 18 % threshold: if you join translatewiki.net again, you'll be able to see effects of your work within a day. Let me know if anything else is needed. Nemo 14:08, 14 July 2014 (UTC)

User:Babel AutoCreate is recreating SALTed categories

See: Here.

I create-protected the page and it was still recreated. There is no reason for this bot to have the capability of creating pages with create protection on. In fact, this bot should probably trigger a warning that requires user intervention if it encounters a category that's ever been previously deleted, so a user can verify it isn't recreating something that has been deleted at CfD. Can someone make the appropriate fixes or forward this information to someone who can? Thanks, VegaDark 22:09, 3 January 2012 (UTC) 07:43, 5 January 2012 (UTC)

Please report issues in bugzilla:. siebrand 08:28, 5 January 2012 (UTC)

bitmap editing abilities bug

Please see related bug "report" at Commons:Category talk:Graphics abilities#update tag. If any response on this ticket, please leave a talkback at en:User talk:mabdul. Thanks. Regards, mabdul 11:53, 20 January 2012 (UTC)

Please file bug reports to Bugzilla. On this page they are more likely to be forgotten. Thanks, SPQRobin (talk) 19:26, 21 February 2012 (UTC)

Bugreport filled ;) bugzilla:34680 mabdul 09:23, 24 February 2012 (UTC)

Case sensative and clashes with existing user templates

On commons and EN Wikipedia we seem to have many clashes with existing user templates for example commons:template:User BG-3 gives 'This user is able to contribute at an advanced level to bitmap graphics (JPEG, PNG,...)." message and is unrelated to commons:template:User bg-3 about user knowledge of Bulgarian language. See Commons:User:Jarekt/c for more Commons examples and w:en:User:Jarekt/b for few EN Wikipedia examples.

In many cases the clash can be avoided if Babel extension pay attention to capitalization. May be the ideal approach would be to treat lower case codes as language code, otherwise check if there is a match to existing template, and than convert to lower case and try matching to the language codes again.

In some cases the clashes can not be avoided since local templates commons:template:User bot or commons:template:User win use lower case and clash with Ho-Chunk and Bongo languages. However in those cases local template can be renamed to commons:template:User Bot or commons:template:User Win to keep them separate. Jarekt 16:03, 25 January 2012 (UTC)

Same as below, please file bug reports to Bugzilla. On this page they are more likely to be forgotten. Thanks, SPQRobin (talk) 19:28, 21 February 2012 (UTC)

Bugreport filled ;) bugzilla:34680 mabdul 09:23, 24 February 2012 (UTC)

wgBabelUseUserLanguage

This variable isn't documented. Dereckson (talk) 13:03, 12 September 2012 (UTC)

Added SPQRobin (talk) 01:56, 17 September 2012 (UTC)

Thank you. Dereckson (talk) 16:45, 18 September 2012 (UTC)

Margin of the table

The extension inserts a table that has a margin of 12.8 pixels .. That margin disrupts the "design" of many user pages that have user boxes with margin 0. Is it possible to remove the margin? I don't see any reason for including it, and I see at least one reason for removing it. Luis Felipe Schenone (talk) 23:06, 13 November 2012 (UTC)

All CSS can be overridden in local skin specific overrides (like MediaWiki:Vector.css) or site wide overrides (MediaWiki:Commons.css). siebrand (talk) 13:39, 19 November 2012 (UTC)

Hi siebrand. I understand, but I still don't see why the extension should come with its own margin to be overridden. Regards, Luis Felipe Schenone (talk) 22:09, 22 November 2012 (UTC)

Any answers? Else I will be bold and remove it myself. LFS (talk) 06:01, 22 March 2013 (UTC)

Samogitian

Text for sgs-0 (Samogitian) is all in Lithuanian, not in Samogitian. Only one word is somewhat hybride: "žemaitėška". It follows be: Tas nauduotuos nasopront žemaitiu kalbuos (a sopronta nuognē mažā). Could someone repair it (excuse me for poor English). Thanks. P.S. Wrong text: "Šis naudotojas nesupranta žemaitėška (arba supranta labai ribotai)" appears on czech wictionary: ([3]) e. g. here: Kusurija Kusurija (talk) 19:30, 21 November 2012 (UTC)

This is because babel accepts all languages it knows the names of, which are many more than those we have localisations on and many many more than those actually used by MediaWiki. To enable translation to a language, you can ask at translatewiki:Support explaining why (e.g.: we are three users and we want to translate the interface for the project X currently on incubator). Nemo 20:42, 21 November 2012 (UTC)

Where is Babel.css?

The description say: "Copy the code from Babel.css file into your MediaWiki:Common.css — you can change it as desired." But the link does not work. Where is the script example? 89.175.172.115 07:14, 6 February 2013 (UTC)

Babel.css for version 1.19 - here

In the version 1.20 (and in the master) this file is excluded (for some reason, unknown to me) :( Kaganer (talk) 08:46, 6 February 2013 (UTC)

1. The file was moved from Babel.css to resources/ext.babel.css (imho it's a bit idiotic to have a directory for just one file...).
2. The documentation is outdated anyway because it doesn't need to be copied to MediaWiki:Common.css.

I updated the installation instructions. SPQRobin (talk) 20:06, 9 February 2013 (UTC)

Very thanks! Kaganer (talk) 22:36, 9 February 2013 (UTC)

How can the Babel-footer be disabled...?

I searched the .php class file, and it seems there is a switch to turn the footer off, but it isn't documented... or I just can't find it... Heinrich krebs (talk) 15:02, 1 July 2013 (UTC)

Sorry, Heinrich, but I'm too new for help you: I think you must ask to another person. Gloria sah (talk) 22:50, 12 July 2013 (UTC)

To my mind, the best would be to allow the header and footer masking into the template appeal. Eg: {{#babel:en|header=no|footer=no}}. JackPotte (talk) 13:35, 7 September 2013 (UTC)

There are already bugs asking that, IIRC. Nemo 21:38, 9 September 2013 (UTC)

Could you provide links to them? Base (talk) 16:01, 29 December 2013 (UTC)

rw templates

Could you people please change the Kinyarwanda (rw) texts from English to Kinyarwanda? Instead of it saying "This user has a(n) [level] knowledege of Kinyarwanda" it should say:

(Ikinyarwanda is bold and italicised to denote a link to the language's article and the levels are italicised to denote links to their respective categories)

• 0 - Uyu mukoresha ntabwo azi Ikinyarwanda rwose, cyangwa agira ibibazo kucyumva no kukivuga.
• 1 - Uyu mukoresha ashobora kugiramo uruhare n'Ikinyarwanda giciriritse.
• 2 - Uyu mukoresha ashobora kugiramo uruhare n'Ikinyarwanda kiringaniye.
• 3 - Uyu mukoresha ashobora kugiramo uruhare n'Ikinyarwanda gitambutse.
• 4 - Uyu mukoresha azi Ikinyarwanda hafi nka icya umwenegihugu.
• 5 - Uyu mukoresha azi Ikinyarwanda nka icya umwenegihugu.
• N - Ikinyarwanda ni ururimi rwa mbere rwa uyu mukoresha. Davykamanzi (talk) 19:36, 16 January 2014 (UTC)

Hi! You can do it yourself at [4]. Register on the main page if you're not a translator yet. Nemo 20:25, 17 January 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for the info. Davykamanzi (talk) 06:20, 30 April 2014 (UTC)

Problem with local categories

I'm currently taking care of merging categories on Wikidata, in order to reduce the isolation of "minor" wiki-projects with "major" ones, and of course I'm merging mostly user categories. I'm noticing that some versions have two versions of the same category: a localised one (like os:Категори:Архайджытæ os-0) and a non-localised one (like os:Категори:User os-0). I'd like to fix this problem by indicating the correct category, whenever I notice there's a mistake. How can I do it? Sannita (talk) 13:23, 10 February 2014 (UTC)

The only thing I can tell so far is that the former is inserted by {{Babel}} et similia, while the latter is used by the #babel parser function.

Edit: according to the configuration file, the canonical version is os:Category:User os-0: we could either change that, and use the internationalized category only, or viceversa. Eventually, every obsolete babel template should be deleted in favor of the parser function. Ricordisamoa 14:55, 10 February 2014 (UTC)

That's exactly the problem. I think we should use the localised version (if there is a local translation of "user"). Anyway, +1 on deleting the old babels in favour of the parser function. Sannita (talk) 17:01, 11 February 2014 (UTC)

If there are local categories in use with a localised name, but they're not in the configuration, please file a bug in Site requests for the configuration to be fixed. Nemo 07:15, 12 February 2014 (UTC)

Where can I file the bug? (I'm asking for the link) Sannita (talk) 14:18, 12 February 2014 (UTC)

https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/enter_bug.cgi?product=Wikimedia&component=Site%20requests&keywords=shell Nemo 14:43, 12 February 2014 (UTC)

I've already filed a patch: gerrit:115181 Ricordisamoa 16:14, 24 February 2014 (UTC)

Patch merged, requested local approval for my bot to migrate existing categories and templates. Ricordisamoa 16:54, 13 March 2014 (UTC)

Are you folks aware that {{#babel:…}} is apparently broken since January, 6. I can't tell how many users switched back to the working template, but my entusiasm to test the extension again in this decade is limited. –Be..anyone (talk) 02:57, 14 March 2014 (UTC)

No, we're not aware of any bug. I don't see any from your links either, it's hard to understand what your issue is. Please file a bug following the instructions, that's off topic on this thread. Nemo 11:45, 14 March 2014 (UTC)

Babel API

Is there a public API module to obtain information from the Extension, without using categories? E.g. "usprop=babel" for "action=query&list=users"? If not, I think it could be worth implementing it, given that almost every newly deployed extension has a public API. Ricordisamoa 10:28, 11 August 2014 (UTC)

How does Wikibase access the data? Nemo 13:19, 11 August 2014 (UTC)

Via PHP. There is no public API I am aware of. Nikerabbit (talk) 12:06, 12 August 2014 (UTC)

Wiki-cy (Welsh) text needs editing

The following code has been used by an user on wiki-cy: {{#babel:als|de-4|en-3|cy-0}}. Where is the Welsh text / template kept, as it needs editing? Thanks. Llywelyn2000 (talk) 09:31, 27 November 2014 (UTC)

translatewiki:MediaWiki:Babel-0/cy Nemo 14:31, 27 November 2014 (UTC)

Job done! Many thanks. Cell Danwydd (talk) 20:22, 27 November 2014 (UTC)

Mandarin cmn missing

Mandarin, code cmn, is not yet translated. Kaihsu (talk) 10:36, 26 August 2015 (UTC)

We do not have cmn separately at this point. See https://translatewiki.net/wiki/Portal:Zh. We also have Gan Chinese [gan], Hakka Chinese [hak], Min Dong Chinese [cdo], Min Nan Chinese [nan], Wu Chinese [wuu], Yue Chinese [yue]. Nikerabbit (talk) 07:17, 3 September 2015 (UTC)

@Kaihsu: Nemo bis told me on phab:T117161 that that issue should be fixed on CLDR. Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 06:13, 4 January 2016 (UTC)

Discrepancy with User language template

I found a discrepancy between the template and the information on marking User language on wikipedia, which I understand should correspond to babel extension. Does anyone have an explanation to this. Has the template just not been updated, or is this somehow intentional? Thanks.

https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User_language , https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template:User_language Pusle8 (talk) 10:01, 6 January 2016 (UTC)

Simple categories on en.wiki

There's been consensus on en.wiki since 2008 not to have subcategories for Simple English, and categories such as en:Category:User simple-3 have been deleted as often as 9 times since then. The local template doesn't assign to subcategories, but Babel does. Can something be tweaked at the Babel end to reflect this usage? Le Deluge (talk) 14:15, 15 April 2016 (UTC)

Why not converting them into Hidden categories? Also, this should be requested in phabricator, IMHO. Ciencia Al Poder (talk) 16:22, 15 April 2016 (UTC)

Notwithstanding en.wiki's consensus, I would argue that since a Simple English offering is made available for Wikipedia and Wiktionary, people should be able to make that skill known. StevenJ81 (talk) 22:27, 11 December 2016 (UTC)

Categories and zero ability in a language

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

---

On my user page on the Swedish Wikipedia, for example, I have the Babel template as:

{{#babel:en|sv-0}}

Despite the zero rating for Swedish, that adds me to sv:Kategori:Användare sv ("Users of Swedish"). The same thing happens on the Portuguese Wikipedia, where:

{{#babel:en|pt-0}}

adds me to pt:Categoria:Usuários pt, and so on.

Is this something that can be fixed centrally? Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 13:44, 21 September 2016 (UTC)

Not possible currently. Would you mind filing a feature request in phabricator.wikimedia.org? Nikerabbit (talk) 13:23, 28 September 2016 (UTC)

https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T146909 Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 15:51, 28 September 2016 (UTC)

I see from Phabricator that a patch was supplied on 29 September. What's the likely timescale for getting it deployed? Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 14:41, 16 October 2016 (UTC)

The patch has not yet been merged. After that happens, the bug should receive a tag indicating the expected date when it is deployed. Nikerabbit (talk) 19:53, 17 October 2016 (UTC)

Thank you. I understand the sequence, my question was about timescale. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 16:52, 18 October 2016 (UTC)

Code review is not a deterministic process, so it is impossible to say for certain. Babel is quite well maintained, however, so within one or two weeks it should be deployed. Nikerabbit (talk) 23:24, 20 October 2016 (UTC)

This should be available now (Deployed last week already). KartikMistry (talk) 11:25, 1 November 2016 (UTC)

Yes; that's fixed the issue on both of the Wikipedias I gave as examples. Thanks to all who helped. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 14:18, 1 November 2016 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

plain=1 removes header/footer text, but isn't aligned to the right

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

---

How can I align it to the right? Is there a way how? NMaia (talk) 11:15, 1 November 2016 (UTC)

<div style="float:right;">
{{#babel: plain=1 | babelcode1 | babelcode2 | ... }}
</div>

Ciencia Al Poder (talk) 18:21, 1 November 2016 (UTC)

Thanks! That does it :) NMaia (talk) 18:28, 1 November 2016 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Issue with ASE

The language code "ase" (American Sign Language) does not work correctly in user language boxes. See my Wikimedia userpage for an example. Next to "ase-3", it reads "This user has advanced knowledge of English" (rather than "This user has advanced knowledge of American Sign Language"). Note: The code "ase" works correctly for Wikipedia user pages but not Wikimedia user pages. AnotherPoint (talk) 18:55, 11 December 2016 (UTC)

There are problems with "jam" (Jamaican Patois), too. See also Meta:talk:User language. StevenJ81 (talk) 22:26, 11 December 2016 (UTC)

I posted a bug report to phabricator (T152925). This issue impacts several languages and needs to be fixed. AnotherPoint (talk) 01:09, 12 December 2016 (UTC)

I've replied (hopefully with correct details) at https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:User_language#Issue_with_ase Quiddity (WMF) (talk) 18:45, 12 December 2016 (UTC)

Multiple languages seem to have issues with Babel userboxes in Wikimedia. It would help if the settings in Wikipedia, where these issues seem to be solved, could somehow be copied over. However, for the moment, the information Quiddity provided will help document what other users need to do to get their favourite Babel userboxes fixed. AnotherPoint (talk) 19:44, 12 December 2016 (UTC)

Quiddity's response probably substantially covers AnotherPoint's main issue. There is still an issue that various markup parser functions don't seem to recognize jam as a possible language choice. StevenJ81 (talk) 21:00, 12 December 2016 (UTC)

slight error in French user level 0

Hello all- Newbie here, not sure if I'm in the right place to post this. On Wikidata, the wording in the Babel box for French level 0 (fr-0) has a slight error--a kind of slang, conversational departure from grammar rules. It currently reads "Cet utilisateur a aucune connaissance..." See here. In correct French, it should read "...n'a aucune..." I have looked all over and cannot find where to edit this. Another user suggested I might look here. Thanks in advance for any help. Eric (talk) 22:51, 19 March 2017 (UTC)

"n'a aucune" is good.

More of that, in the discussion page of  here. I have signalled that the textual graduation 1 2 3 .. in the french text of window Category:User fr should be reversed. Nobody replies. (...) Christian 🇫🇷 FR 🚨 (talk) 21:41, 21 March 2017 (UTC)

Hello, please ask meta:User:Wladek92 why he changed "n'a" to "a" some time ago. UV (talk) 23:22, 19 March 2017 (UTC)

ok - I have reverted to "n'a aucune" Christian 🇫🇷 FR 🚨 (talk) 21:42, 21 March 2017 (UTC)

Hi all

This is a question of practice and you must process using similar cases to understand the difference. I say "J'ai besoin de cette traduction" because it has a sens positive (I need this translation). At contrario, I will say "Je n'ai aucune remarque à faire" or "Je n'ai rien à dire" or "Je n'ai pas à dire merci".

"J'ai aucune connaissance en anglais" shows a contradiction: you introduce a positive action (I have) but you cannot propose something.

"rien" is similiar to "pas" and you always use "ne" with "pas".

More of that "Ne rien" reinforces the negative affirmation.

Hope it helps.

Christian W. Christian 🇫🇷 FR 🚨 (talk) 07:54, 20 March 2017 (UTC)

Hi Christian-

Thanks for your input. I still see the usage without "ne" as slang or conversational, and technically incorrect. I haven't found a source that states this definitively, but here are a few sources that do not indicate the omission of "ne" in the usage we are discussing:

LaRousse difficultés, Dictionnaire Cordial, aidenet, Logilangue

You're a native speaker, I'm not. I think you may simply have become accustomed to conversational usage that omits the "ne". But I suspect your teachers would not call this usage correct.

We could use the wording that Commons employs, or we might take the ultimately more logical approach that en wiki does, which is to eliminate the 0 level altogether: See here, the first paragraph after the list. Eric (talk) 12:02, 20 March 2017 (UTC)

With "Cet utilisateur ne comprend pas le français (ou le comprend avec très grande difficulté)" and "These users do not speak French", we are speaking of 3 different situations :

- 1. this user does not understand french: it is clear he has no knowledge and cannot speak

- 2. this user does not speak french: but he may have some knowledge and he may understand

- 3. this user has no knowledge: obviously he cannot speak and understand

Case3 is our conflictual.

Case 2 is not enough selective

Case 1 (from Commons) for which i am favorable is is direct and everyone understands. Christian 🇫🇷 FR 🚨 (talk) 22:04, 21 March 2017 (UTC)

Bonjour Christian-

Thanks for your edit and your input. I was away from the computer for a few days.

Given the existence of the xx-0 level, users who employ the Babel box might logically feel compelled to announce themselves as level zero in every language that they don't speak, which would produce quite a cumbersome tower of Babel-box...poor, I know, but I couldn't resist... ;)

So I would suggest we eliminate it if it ever came to a vote. Eric (talk) 19:24, 23 March 2017 (UTC)

Ok keep the graduation and remove entry 0 ( nobody should use it) which is coherent with what you say. Christian 🇫🇷 FR 🚨 (talk) 20:59, 4 August 2017 (UTC)

Level 0 is not going to be removed. People use it for example to indicate they don't speak the main language of the wiki, or in Wikidata to have the language appear in item pages even though they do not speak it. Nikerabbit (talk) 06:51, 24 August 2017 (UTC)

Ok I guess it can be used as an internal/default value but is there a way to have it NOT displayed in GUI as a value users could see explicitely ? Christian 🇫🇷 FR 🚨 (talk) 10:42, 24 August 2017 (UTC)

As my personal opinion, I find it unlikely that such a change would be implemented. Nikerabbit (talk) 13:56, 1 September 2017 (UTC)

Capital letter for chinese

Most of the wiki categories for the languages "zh-hans" and "zh-hant" uses the lower case for the whole language code (see d:Q6332558 and d:Q7583339. But the extension forces the categorization to "zh-Hans" and "zh-Hant".

Is there a reason for that?

The situasion is a mess:

• On Commons there are both the categories (zh-hans and zh-Hans).
• On en.wiki there is zh-hans with capitalized subcategories, and zh-Hans as soft-redirect (?). Viceversa, zh-hant category has been deleted and zh-Hant has been created.
• On tl.wiki we have both the categories for both the languages.

On it.wiki we are asking if the capital letter is correct and why. Horcrux (talk) 21:52, 26 April 2017 (UTC)

The capitalization is correct according to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IETF_language_tag#Syntax_of_language_tags

Having said that, the categories used to be generated in lower case, so this is a breaking change – one that was arguably not properly discussed and announced with the communities. This was actually done to fix another problem, and the issue is being discussed in Phab:T63993.

In the long run, I think following the standard is the best course of action. In the short run, we have a mess, and the fact that we currently use lower case language codes in page suffixes makes it quite inconsistent. Nikerabbit (talk) 09:57, 2 May 2017 (UTC)

Thanks for this exhaustive answer. Horcrux (talk) 18:23, 2 May 2017 (UTC)

Problems with Guarani in the Spanish Wikipedia

Hi people. I am the [[:es:User:Fadesga]] and, as you can see on my user page in the Spanish Wikipedia, when using " gn-1 " some nonsense appears. Could you please solve this? Thank you so much. Regards, @Fadesga Fadesga (talk) 01:19, 11 May 2017 (UTC)

This has been fixed. Please allow some time for the fix to propagate to the Wikipedias. Nikerabbit (talk) 07:12, 12 May 2017 (UTC)

Editing Mediawiki:babel doesn't work

I've edited MediaWiki:babel on my site to change the header to Languages, but that didn't work. There was still a red link with the text "Babel user information". Only when I clicked that red link did I get another page (not MediaWiki:babel) and could I enter the text "Languages" there. Only then did "Languages" as the header of the box. IlseMul (talk) 18:24, 4 June 2017 (UTC)

Users are not added to language categories

Hi,

I've added two language boxes on my userpage on my page, but I'm not added to any of the language categories. How can I solve this? IlseMul (talk) 18:54, 4 June 2017 (UTC)

I suppose you're using the #Babel template. Apparently that template does not add category links here in mediawiki. Users who want to appear in a language category add [[:Category:User de]], etc., to their page. Stephen G. Brown (talk) 19:54, 4 June 2017 (UTC)

Also: you say: Babel template. Does that mean I can use something else as well to make it more fit as I want it? That might solve my other question (see below) :)

Thanks again! IlseMul (talk) 05:49, 5 June 2017 (UTC)

There is another template, Babel (without #). It's a much older template. I did not examine the Babel template here, so I don't know if it forms categories or not. Use it like this: {{Babel|en|es-4|de-3}}

.

Again, I have not looked at the Babel template on this site, but if it's the same as the one on en.wiktionary, you can modify the header/footer by editing these two lines:

{{{header|[[Wiktionary:Babel]]}}}

{{{footer|Search [[:Category:User languages|user languages]]

Be aware, however, that the #Babel template inserts language competencies from a centralized location. OTOH, the Babel template (without #) requires that you create individual language competency sub-templates for each language and each competency level. If the Babel template does not show the expected language competency, it means you need to create that one. Stephen G. Brown (talk) 18:32, 6 June 2017 (UTC)

I'll check that out tonight! Thanks! IlseMul (talk) 10:35, 7 June 2017 (UTC)

Ah, Yeah, I've installed Babel on my site and I expected a user would be automatically added in the correct category. I've seen it working that way on other sites (wikipedia, I think and yppedia (https://yppedia.puzzlepirates.com/User:Scrappyilse) too, I think, although it's been years since I added it in the last one).

Do you also happen to know how I can adjust the link of the header and footer of the box to a customized one?

Thanks! IlseMul (talk) 05:49, 5 June 2017 (UTC)

Some remarks and proposals on Babel extension.

Hi all,

I'm new to Babel extension use, as I used the old template-based languages boxes, and am just becoming familiar with this extension.

I have two remarks on the extension. Perhaps it's already been discussed, but I didn't find any conversation about these. I may also miss a point as I'm new to this extension use.

My first remark is about page categorization. On WP:FR babel templates, there is a filter aiming at categorizing only user pages using the templates, not pages from other namespaces; the following filter is used on the template: {{#ifeq:{{NAMESPACE}}|Utilisateur|[[Catégorie:Utilisateur {{{letter code}}}-5]]}}.

This avoids categorizing pages where we talk about the templates into the user categories, such as Talk: or Wikipedia: pages. This seems not to be present on the boxes generated using the babel extension, resulting in pages being included in user categories while not belonging into (see fr:Catégorie:Utilisateur arc containing project talk page). I think this filter is very relevant and should be used by the extension.

A second remark is about the text displayed on the boxes. This text is only displayed in the target language, or sometimes only in english. I think it would be very much useful if the sentences were written using two languages: the target language, and the local wiki language. Of course, this would require a very large translation work, translating each sentence in all of the languages. But I think this would add much more accessibility to user browsing other users pages while not speaking the target language. As an example, even if this template is not part of the extension, see this "*" box: fr:Modèle:Utilisateur en-*.

Any remark on these points? Epok (talk) 11:12, 26 August 2017 (UTC)

Those translations already exists, so they could be used. But what would be the additional value for someone not knowing those languages enough to understand the descriptions? There is the language code too, that can be used to clearly identify the language. Nikerabbit (talk) 14:00, 1 September 2017 (UTC)

I agree this would not be an "additional value", but we could say the same about the text written in a language that is different from the wiki language... I think this is important that on a specific language wiki, all text is translated to the local language so that it is accessible to everyone. Showing both languages would be, I think, an acceptable tradeoff, especially for not well-known languages, or language codes which are difficult to recognize. Epok (talk) 16:18, 1 September 2017 (UTC)

Language names

Where can I translate some new language names (labels) into Russian? Infovarius (talk) 06:18, 25 October 2017 (UTC)

What are the names? Maybe we can translate them if we know them. Stephen G. Brown (talk) 09:10, 25 October 2017 (UTC)

@Stephen G. Brown: see below. (I have difficulties with formatting in Flow...) Infovarius (talk) 16:46, 30 October 2017 (UTC)

For example in d:Q2 I see for labels: "Belarusian (Taraškievica orthography)", "Algerian Arabic", "Bavarian", "Banjar", "Russia Buriat" and many more. Some of them I would translate myself if I know where. Infovarius (talk) 16:44, 30 October 2017 (UTC)

I guess this would be the place. There is no particular place to translate them, someone just does it. I have made a complete list of the languages you need at User talk:Stephen G. Brown#Language list. Please check the list (265 languages) to see if I have any that should not be included, or if I have missed any.

Also, what about the sort order? Do you want to keep the same order, or what? I noticed that the list is in alphabetical order to some degree, but not completely. Russian has a different alphabetical order. Stephen G. Brown (talk) 23:59, 30 October 2017 (UTC)

Manipulating the standard babel box

Is there a way to manipulate the standard babel box used for the languages, i.e. add additional wikitext markup to it? I would like, e.g. to add an annotation like {{#set: Language spoken=de |Language spoken level=N }} in case {{#babel:de-N}} is added to the user page. [[kgh]] (talk) 17:02, 1 November 2017 (UTC)

You could use the categories as alternative way to get this information. Babel extension does not provide any hooks at the moment. Nikerabbit (talk) 10:26, 4 November 2017 (UTC)

Thanks for the information. I will try to figure something out using the categories. Should not be too hard. [[kgh]] (talk) 14:08, 4 November 2017 (UTC)

Languages with no ISO code

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

---

Can we add languages that have no ISO-363 code, like toki-pona? Walter Klosse (talk) 09:13, 11 November 2017 (UTC)

You can create a template matching MediaWiki:babel-template in your wiki and use it. --Base (talk) 13:06, 11 November 2017 (UTC)

You can, if you create such templates yourself, like Base explains above. Without a ISO code it won't be added to the Babel extension. Nikerabbit (talk) 17:21, 11 November 2017 (UTC)

Toki Pona has an ISO code now (search "iso 639-3 tok", i can't send links), so it should be added to MediaWiki. CyberTailor (talk) 16:03, 14 February 2022 (UTC)

This discussion is about Babel, not MediaWiki in general. Nikerabbit (talk) 15:13, 16 February 2022 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Problem with text given out by the extension.

See my user page, there are tons of languages being marked as English. Can that be pulled from wikidata or other database instead? Even pih does not have a working label, pih is a language that a wikipeia have already been created for it.

Also, the text in ii userbox is not ii, where can that be edited?

Additionally, after applying it to wikidata, only zh-HK is retained, and zh/zh-Hant/zh-TW/zh-Hans/zh-CN disappeared from the list. How to fix that? C933103 (talk) 23:11, 12 November 2017 (UTC)

Created phab:T180453 Iniquity (talk) 12:45, 14 November 2017 (UTC)

Look in phab:T64714. About ii - [5]. Iniquity (talk) 13:06, 14 November 2017 (UTC)

1. For ii, if all things in babel are not translated then why is it displaying simplified chinese? Is there some sort of fallback mechanism?

2. For other languages, from what I see on translatewiki, it seems like the message is written s like [[$2|English]]. Then no wonder they would be displayed as English without translation? C933103 (talk) 16:28, 14 November 2017 (UTC)

Don't use fallback if template exists

This shouldn't use the fallback language if the template exists. It should first use built in translations, then look for a template, then use the fallback. This would make it simpler to ensure it's in the correct language if you add it. 173.95.184.204 (talk) 18:10, 19 January 2018 (UTC)

I prefer that if a template message can be overridden per language & level. Because some languages may use different script for their wikis. For example, Pali templates might show messages as Devanagari in Hindi wikis, as Sinhala in Sinhalese wiki, as Thai in Thai wikis, etc. But they are still the same sentence. Nowhere can be overridden yet.--1.47.222.228 14:22, 2 May 2025 (UTC)

'Category:User xx' links

There is an inconsistency in different category links. English language points always to meta and other point to local wiki, e.g.:

• [[m:Category:User en|English]]
• [[Category:User fr|français]]
• [[Category:User sp|español]]

I think it will be better that all links point to local wiki. Mik (talk) 14:49, 7 September 2018 (UTC)

This is still the case on MediaWiki, but seems to have been fixed on other projects. —CalendulaAsteraceae (talk • contribs) 04:27, 14 May 2023 (UTC)

Tajiki in German wikipedia

Hi people. I am the de:User:Saippuakauppias and, as you can see on my user page in the German Wikipedia, when using " tg-2 " it does not understand it. Could you please solve this? Thank you so much. Regards, @Saippuakauppias (talk) 21:29, 23 October 2018 (UTC)

That page is using a babel template, not a babel extension, template vs parserfunction. There's nothing to solve. Look closely at the page... 197.235.152.78 (talk) 22:18, 23 October 2018 (UTC)

Parameters for system messages

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

---

Hello,

I would like to adapt the system messages MediaWiki:babel-autocreate-text-levels and MediaWiki:babel-autocreate-text-main on fr wiki to use as a default the standard models we use for language categories.

However, these models take as an input the language code, where the parameters (respectively $2 and $1) provide the language name. Are there other parameters provided for the text creation, which would provide the language code? If not, I think this would be a great idea to provide them.

Thanks. Epok (talk) 10:25, 28 October 2018 (UTC)

See translatewiki:MediaWiki:babel-autocreate-text-levels/qqq and translatewiki:MediaWiki:babel-autocreate-text-main/qqq.

The former message has the optional parameter $3 for customization. Shirayuki (talk) 10:45, 28 October 2018 (UTC)

Yes, thank you, that was the info I was searching!

Have a nice day. Epok (talk) 10:46, 28 October 2018 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

language level codes inconsistent

I'm preparing my user page and having difficulties with my language levels. My English level is C2 according to the CEFR (Cambridge Proficiency), and that is considered near-native, which obviously means that I can work with it professionally. And yet, here near-native is 4, below professional performance (5)! I think it would be better to use a well-established scale like the CEFR, from A1 basic to C2 near native. Calypso (talk) 15:02, 24 June 2019 (UTC)

Visual Editor

Hi all, just wondered if this extension is compatible with the Visual Editor, or if there are any plans to add functionality in the future? Thanks Garuda3 (talk) 13:35, 2 July 2019 (UTC)

Database changes?

The Infobox says the extension does not change database, But I found It tries to create a table named as babel (See the source code). Is it a just typo I could fix? Lens0021 (talk) 03:02, 28 July 2019 (UTC)

Done by editing Extension:Babel and creating Extension:Babel/babel_table Shirayuki (talk) 03:55, 28 July 2019 (UTC)

Unmaintained

@Kghbln Yes, it is included in wmf, but this extension is not supported by any developer or group. Iniquity (talk) 11:18, 12 September 2019 (UTC)

Well, this is also true to some other extensions run on WMF wikis but in this case the language team takes care of it since it is part of MLEB. [[kgh]] (talk) 13:41, 12 September 2019 (UTC)

The Language team says that they don't support extension. You can see it in Maintenance responsibilities. And this is strange. Iniquity (talk) 13:48, 12 September 2019 (UTC)

Yeah, I also think this appears to be bulsh. I would think that one should either remove it from the bundle or do at least hot fixes. However the extension would create a really big fuss if it were not working on the foundation wikis so I still think this justifies the status as being maintained. I am sure somebody will do the hot fix. [[kgh]] (talk) 14:26, 12 September 2019 (UTC)

I've already tried to find someone: https://discuss-space.wmflabs.org/t/who-oversees-the-babel-extension/653/ Iniquity (talk) 14:28, 12 September 2019 (UTC)

I don't know where this thread got started, but a look at https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/q/project:mediawiki%252Fextensions%252FBabel tells that the extensions is maintained.

That is not the same thing as someone officially listed as being maintainer of it. It seems that you are looking for active maintenance with PM and UX support, and that is hard to find even for better maintained extensions. Nikerabbit (talk) 07:23, 20 September 2019 (UTC)

Category problems on English Wikipedia

Babel keeps populating some category redirects and clogging up the automatic redirect system. Attempts to fix these have run into problems with certain users who insist on revert corrections on their page and will not sort out the problem themselves.

Current redirects/red linked categories populated include:

• https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:User_en-CA
• https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:User_en-GB-3
• https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:User_en-GB
• https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Category:User_en-CA-3&action=edit&redlink=1

Can the extension be amended to fix this or should the user objection be overriden? ~ Timrollpickering (talk) 12:09, 1 April 2020 (UTC)

Kinyarwanda translations are incorrect

I'm not a native or fluent speaker of Kinyarwanda, but from my experience with the language, I can see that the translations are clearly incorrect. For example, the translation for rw-1 says "Uyu ukoresha agira ubumenyi bucye bw'icyongereza." Forgetting the incorrect grammar for the moment, it actually says "This user has little knowledge of English"! (Icyongereza = English language). The other mistakes are that it should be "Uyu mukoresha" (this user), and it should be "afite" instead of "agira" (gira is never used in present tense indicative). Since I'm not a native speaker I don't feel comfortable providing my own translations, but I did see someone else suggested some good translations a few years ago: Extension talk:Babel#h-rw_templates-2014-01-16T19:36:00.000Z. (@Davykamanzi: you may be interested in this discussion.) Smashhoof (talk) 22:41, 28 July 2020 (UTC)

Italian text doesn't reflect user gender

The Italian text says "Questo utente" (masculine form of the adjective) for "This user" regardless of the user's gender, but if a user's gender is set to female it should say "Questa utente" (feminine form of the adjective), since "utente" can be masculine or feminine depending on the gender of the person it refers to (see en:wikt:utente). However, since "utente" begins with a vowel, it would also be correct to say "Quest'utente", avoiding the question of gender entirely, so I recommend changing the text to use this neutral form. —CalendulaAsteraceae (talk • contribs) 19:00, 4 December 2022 (UTC)

Thank you very much @CalendulaAsteraceae for speaking up about this problem. It's been a year, yet the text still uses the masculine form only. The Spanish template already changes based on the user's gender, which shows that the change is possible. ✩ Dream Indigo ✩ 21:17, 25 May 2024 (UTC)

And thank you for reminding me of this issue! I've filed a bug report at T365928. —CalendulaAsteraceae (talk • contribs) 02:01, 26 May 2024 (UTC)

@Dream Indigo: By filing this bug report, I learned that translations are handled through Translatewiki.net, which is mentioned on the main page but not very prominently. I have now fixed this issue on Translatewiki (e.g. translatewiki:User:CalendulaAsteraceae), and hopefully we'll see that change propagate here soon. If you spot any other issues with Italian translations, feel free to let me know! —CalendulaAsteraceae (talk • contribs) 02:37, 28 May 2024 (UTC)

Thank you so much @CalendulaAsteraceae! I am so happy that you solved the issue! Luckily, I haven't found any other problem so far. I have already fixed every other male-only userbox on it-wiki some months ago, but I needed the help of an expert like you to solve the Babel issue. Thanks again! I am really happy! ✩ Dream Indigo ✩ 10:06, 28 May 2024 (UTC)

New code, including translations, is deployed weekly between Tuesday and Thursday, with most Wikipedias getting it on Thursday. Unfortunately you missed the Week of May 26-31 deployment so your change should roll out with the Week of June 3-7 deployment. * Pppery * _{it has begun} 03:05, 28 May 2024 (UTC)

@Pppery Thank you for letting us know, we'll be waiting patiently :) ✩ Dream Indigo ✩ 10:08, 28 May 2024 (UTC)

Removing MediaWiki:babel-footer-url removes the entire footer

Hello - on English Wiktionary, we want the footer the footer to read:

Search user languages or scripts

As you can see, this links to two separate categories.

Unfortunately, if there's any content in MediaWiki:babel-footer-url it tries to create a link with the whole text (which obviously doesn't work properly), and if you remove the content from MediaWiki:babel-footer-url then the footer doesn't display at all.

This feels like an oversight, so could it please be fixed? Theknightwho (talk) 16:01, 29 July 2023 (UTC)

This should probably be reported to Phabricator instead of here. * Pppery * _{it has begun} 16:22, 29 July 2023 (UTC)

Dark mode

This extension needs dark mode support. Sławobóg (talk) 14:03, 4 February 2025 (UTC)

wikidata link

Tracked in Phabricator
Task T168411

hello, why the Babel AutoCreate bot doesn't add the new created page also on wikidata? we don't use interwikilinks anymore and also all category should be connected. GiovanniPen (talk) 10:56, 22 August 2025 (UTC)

recent example: scn:Catigurìa:User_es-0 unlinked with Category:User es-0 (Q9309915) (i did it manually). GiovanniPen (talk) 10:57, 22 August 2025 (UTC)

Short answer: because nobody implemented it.

Longer answer: it’s not trivial to determine the item to connect the category to. How do you turn es-0 into Q9309915? We can guess based on the instance of (P31) statement and the label, but I’m not sure if it’s okay for an unsupervised bot to make guesses. (There are other challenges as well, like having to handle third-party wikis that don’t have Wikibase installed, but those are routine things.) —Tacsipacsi (talk) 14:03, 24 August 2025 (UTC)

yes you can determine it Because is exactly the same (in most of the cases) through the various languages… for example in scn wiki the only difference is the namespace category prefix GiovanniPen (talk) 16:01, 24 August 2025 (UTC)

“(in most of the cases)”, “the only difference is the namespace category prefix” – that’s what I call making guesses. Not always, and not exactly the same. —Tacsipacsi (talk) 21:52, 24 August 2025 (UTC)

yes but i mean, if the difference is only the prefix and all of the categories are all the same ones created by the bot... GiovanniPen (talk) 21:58, 24 August 2025 (UTC)

And what if it isn’t? Looking at d:Q9309915#sitelinks-wikipedia, 36 out of 62 pages, or 58%, don’t follow this naming convention. That’s actually not even “in most of the cases”. Also, “all the same ones created by the bot” is a bit misleading: technically, there’s no “the” bot, but independent bots on each wiki. The bot running on one wiki is unaware of the one running on another wiki – including its configuration like the naming convention. —Tacsipacsi (talk) 22:51, 24 August 2025 (UTC)

if not we can talk about it. but if it's exactly the same why not just doing it automatically? GiovanniPen (talk) 22:55, 24 August 2025 (UTC)

Language names 2

I'm having the same problem that Infovarius had 7 years ago. On the French Wiktionary, some automatically generated category names do not use the French language name. For example, with fr:Catégorie:Personnes ne parlant pas Futunan mais s’y intéressant, Futunan is the name of the language in English. Instead, the name in French should be used (‘futunien’).

How can language names be translated? Stephen G. Brown, do you have any idea? Pamputt (talk) 06:30, 6 September 2025 (UTC)

The current recommendation is to submit translations to CLDR. If a language is not included in there, then people add overrides to Extension:CLDR. Nikerabbit (talk) 06:45, 8 September 2025 (UTC)