Architecture meetings/RFC review 2014-07-10

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22:30 UTC on 10 July 2014, at #wikimedia-officeconnect.

Requests for Comment to review[edit]

  1. Requests for comment/Redo skin framework, and its relationship to UX standardization. Followup to the June 25th chat (logs).

Summary and logs[edit]

Meeting summary[edit]

  • LINK: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Architecture_meetings/RFC_review_2014-07-10 (sumanah, 22:30:26)
  • Redo skins proposal (sumanah, 22:30:35)
    • Today we're talking about revamping MediaWiki's skins systems, and specifically about Trevor Parscal's RfC. (sumanah, 22:30:43)
    • LINK: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Requests_for_comment/Redo_skin_framework (sumanah, 22:30:51)
    • LINK: http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikitech-l/2014-June/077284.html - summary of the chat we had on this topic 2 weeks ago. (sumanah, 22:30:59)
    • LINK: https://tools.wmflabs.org/paste/view/76ace71a is a log of what was said during the netsplit (sumanah, 22:36:50)
    • ACTION: TrevorParscal and gwicke should meet to discuss the possibility of a single integrated direction on the frontend possibly including KnockoutJS (TimStarling, 22:55:31)
    • discussion of whether this project, which is mostly focusing on paying off technical debt and additionally delivering one very new skin, ought to have more user-facing deliverables (sumanah, 22:58:17)
    • <tfinc> "and mobile will be adding either jgonera or kaldari for a period of time to help" (sumanah, 22:59:42)
    • lots of agreement that the skin system needs fixing (sumanah, 23:21:48)
    • <mwalker> if we're going to do a new skin; let's do simple -- something that a developer can use to prototype all new features and that a skin designer can use to change to their liking (sumanah, 23:25:48)
    • <TrevorParscal> mwalker: I think having a boilerplate skin would be nice, I think that is what you are talking about, it would take very little effort (sumanah, 23:25:52)
    • when Roan returns from India (in a few weeks) Trevor will send out "how you can help" info to wikitech-l (sumanah, 23:27:02)
    • <jorm> "Winter" is a design and a thought process. Minerva is a skin. (sumanah, 23:32:00)
    • <jorm> Eloquence got the right of it. Winter is the toolset to design the next skin. (sumanah, 23:32:04)
    • <Eloquence> jgonera, I see the goal for Winter to be a prototyping framework that UX designers can use to try ideas (called "snowflakes" in Winter) which are then implemented into proper production level code if they pass user testing (sumanah, 23:32:09)
    • <TrevorParscal> I just want to repeat something, the "other" skin that is being proposed is not meant to be the "next" skin (sumanah, 23:32:35)
    • LINK: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Winter (jzimmerman, 23:33:48)
    • ACTION: tfinc setting up schedule for frontend devs to meet. (noting this more for posterity's sake than because I think tfinc needs pushing to do it) (sumanah, 23:35:38)


Meeting ended at 23:40:33 UTC.


Action items[edit]

  • TrevorParscal and gwicke should meet to discuss the possibility of a single integrated direction on the frontend possibly including KnockoutJS
  • tfinc setting up schedule for frontend devs to meet. (noting this more for posterity's sake than because I think tfinc needs pushing to do it)


Action items, by person[edit]

  • gwicke
    • TrevorParscal and gwicke should meet to discuss the possibility of a single integrated direction on the frontend possibly including KnockoutJS
  • tfinc
    • tfinc setting up schedule for frontend devs to meet. (noting this more for posterity's sake than because I think tfinc needs pushing to do it)
  • TrevorParscal
    • TrevorParscal and gwicke should meet to discuss the possibility of a single integrated direction on the frontend possibly including KnockoutJS


People present (lines said)[edit]

  • TrevorParscal (102)
  • superm401 (53)
  • sumanah (47)
  • jorm (33)
  • TimStarling (31)
  • jgonera (29)
  • gwicke (24)
  • tfinc (20)
  • shahyar (19)
  • MatmaRex (19)
  • awjr (15)
  • jzimmerman (14)
  • brion (12)
  • StevenW (9)
  • Eloquence (9)
  • James_F (8)
  • jdlrobson (6)
  • wm-labs-meetbot (5)
  • mwalker (5)
  • Scott_WUaS (5)
  • Carmela (4)
  • marktraceur (3)
  • violetto (2)
  • Reedy (1)
  • subbu (1)


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