User talk:AKlapper (WMF)

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Groups/Proposals/Bug Squad
Hi. A few users have expressed interest in Wikimedia's Bugzilla installation here: Groups/Proposals/Bug Squad. I wonder if it would make sense to create a mailing list that could be auto-CC'd on new Bugzilla-related bugs in Wikimedia's bug tracker (i.e., add a default CC similar to "bug-squad@lists.wikimedia.org" for bugs filed in Product: Wikimedia --> Component: Bugzilla). Thoughts? --MZMcBride (talk) 04:51, 14 March 2013 (UTC)
 * I've been thinking of a mailing list for "soft" topics that are related to Bugzilla and bug management (and maybe even QA to go broader), but I have a feeling that there's too many mailing lists already. Bugzilla tickets in Bugzilla can be anything from technical "the SSL attachment redirect is broken" or "add component foo to product bar" which is only interesting for admins to workflow/social issues, so stuff should be diverse enough that it might not be interesting for the audience. But I guess I should work again on adding the "ComponentWatching" extension to Bugzilla so anybody can get the bugmail for any Bugzilla component. Need a proper test environment (Labs) for that first though, so postponed to second quarter of this year. :-/ --AKlapper (WMF) (talk) 17:41, 14 March 2013 (UTC)
 * Also, https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Project_talk:WikiProject_Bug_Squad or https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Talk:Bug_management might be good places to discuss Bugzilla related stuff and get more opinions, instead of my personal talk page. :) --AKlapper (WMF) (talk) 17:46, 14 March 2013 (UTC)

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Just testing with my second account
Just testing with my second account

Special Page Question
As far as you know, is it possible in a couple of special pages in it:voy (User list and Active user list), to add another ordering criteria, specifically: edit numbers? --Andyrom75 (talk) 11:01, 20 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Hi, I'd recommend to ask either on the MediaWiki Support Desk or on the Technical Village Pump of Wikipedia. There are lots of people that know way more than I do. :) --AKlapper (WMF) (talk) 19:26, 20 June 2013 (UTC)

Log in
Hallo Andre,

wg. de:Wikipedia:Fragen_zur_Wikipedia: kommt da noch was? Ist das weitergeleitet worden? Gerade die Problematik beim Interwikilink in Data ergänzen ist für mich unverständlich, denn vor der Log-in-Umstellung hatte ich keine solch gearteten Schwierigkeiten. Beim Lesen auf Commons kam heute auch aus heiterem Himmel das Hinweisfenster, ich wäre jetzt angemeldet - da hatte ich aber schon lange fleißig meine Beo und die Neuzugänge studiert. --PigeonIP (talk) 13:48, 1 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Hi PigeonIP, ka, da ist gerade noch etwas gekommen. War aber auch erst weniger als 24h her, dass ich dadrauf kommentiert hatte. --AKlapper (WMF) (talk) 14:07, 1 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Danke dir. Ich werd den bug aber nicht schreiben, weil auf Bugzilla wird von mit eine Neuanmeldung erwartet - finde ich unmöglich oder überflüssig, weil ich habe ja schon einen SUL-Account - und zum anderen kann ich kein eloquentes Englisch, um dieses Problem adäquat darzustellen.
 * Das Problem des separaten Logins wird in https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14487 behandelt - da wird sich leider in den naechsten sechs Monaten erstmal nichts dran aendern, aber es gibt zumindest einige Ideen das mal anzugehen. --AKlapper (WMF) (talk) 15:36, 1 August 2013 (UTC)
 * 2008?!?!?! dass lässt doch dieses "wir brauchen mehr input" in einem ganz anderen Lichte erscheinen. Damit hast du mich grade echt geschockt. Und wozu braucht man explizit eine öffentlich einsehbare e-mail-adresse? --PigeonIP (talk) 19:17, 1 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Das Alter von Bugs sagt meiner Meinung nach nichts aus. Man braucht eine E-Mail-Adresse, weil Bugzilla Ende der 90er Jahre so entwickelt wurde und es seitdem keiner gefixt hat. --AKlapper (WMF) (talk) 08:49, 2 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Und jetzt bitte nicht falsch verstehen, aber genau dieses "trag es doch auf Bugzilla" (hatte ich auch schon anderen Fällen, wo ich gerne Feedback geben wollte) trägt zu dem Bild der WMF/Entwickler im Elfenbeinturm bei, die sich ihre Aufgaben/Probleme/Bugs auf dem Silbertablett präsentiert und aufbereitet dargereicht bekommen wollen, anstatt selber mal in der Küche vorbeizuschauen und den Teller dort abzuholen.
 * Es gibt so einige WMF-Entwickler die recht aktiv in den Foren und VillagePumps sind, andere eher weniger. Ich denke das ist recht normal mit Individuen. Eine generelle Elfenbeinturm-Mentalitaet kann ich nicht beobachten, es ist aber wahrscheinlich das bestimmte Foren interessanter sind fuer bestimmte Entwickler als andere, und man muss sich die Zeit auch einteilen. Zudem gibt es auch einige WMF-Leute und viele Community-Mitglieder die in Foren berichtete Probleme in den Bugzilla uebertragen. Ich mache das auch gerne, nur muss ich dann zumindest faehig sein, den Fehler zu reproduzieren (auch um Nachfragen im Bugzilla beantworten zu koennen), und das ist speziell hier "leider" bisher nicht der Fall, daher meine Anfrage ob das jemand erledigen koennte. --AKlapper (WMF) (talk) 15:36, 1 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Ich habe ja auch nicht gesagt, dass diese Mentalität besteht, nur dass beim Otto-Normal-Autoren, der sich nicht im IRC und in Mailinglisten herumtreibt, weil er mit der eigenen Beo genug auf dem Schirm hat, dieser Eindruck entstehen kann.
 * Dein Nicht-Bug-Eintrag wegen fehlender Reproduzierbarkeit ist verständlich. --PigeonIP (talk) 19:17, 1 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Das ist wie im Restaurant (wir drehen das Bild mal um): der Koch arbeitet in der Küche (Entwickler im Bugzilla/MediaWiki/weiß der Geier), der Gast sitzt im Restaurant (der Autor in seinem Projekt). Jeder hat sich in seinem Bereich gut eingerichtet und ist mit einer Schwingtür vor dem anderen abgeschottet, damit sie sich nicht sehen müssen. Entweder hat es jeder der Beiden zu bequem und sie sollten in und an eine Imbissbude, bzw. auf beide Seiten einer Durchreiche/eine Theke, gestellt werden, oder es fehlt der Kellner.
 * Bitte nicht persönlich nehmen und tut mir leid, wenn du jetzt als Blitzableiter herhalten musstest, aber das musste eben auch mal raus. --PigeonIP (talk) 14:33, 1 August 2013 (UTC)
 * P.S. Ich mag diese offenen Restaurants, wo ich dem Koch auch mal persönlich sagen kann, dass die Nudeln lecker sind oder die Suppe versalzen war . Die Servicefachkraft hat so etwas unpersönliches in der Kommunikation mit der Küche . --PigeonIP (talk) 14:58, 1 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Och, ich komme mit Kritik gut klar, ich sehe ja auch nicht alles in rosarot bei der WMF. Ich denke das Problem liegt eher darin dass nicht jeder (und speziell die Entwickler mit denen Du vielleicht in einem speziellen Fall sprechen moechtest) in jeder VillagePump, jeder Mailingliste, und jedem IRC-Kanal drin sind. Ich selber muss auch schauen auf welchen Foren ich wie oft vorbeischaue, einfach weil es noch weitere Kommunikationskanaele gibt die auch gelesen werden wollen, und andere Sachen zu tun gibt. Wikimedia hat in den letzten Monate mehrere "Community Liaisons"-Personen bekommen, ich hoffe das dies ein wenig helfen wird. --AKlapper (WMF) (talk) 15:36, 1 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Das was du da ansprichst, ist eines der Probleme: es gibt viel zu viele Briefkästen, viel zu viele Kommunikationskanäle, von denen nicht immer klar ist, welche jetzt wirklich von Bedeutung bzw. die für mein Anliegen "richtig" sind (und dann noch separater Anmeldung bedürfen - quasi mit Auslese) oder welche davon gar verwaist. Hinzu mag noch kommen, dass der ein oder andere Entwickler (auch Autor) da seine Favoriten hat, die ihm am angenehmsten sind. Anstatt einer Kantine für alle gibt es viele kleine Hinterzimmer mit Lieferservice, um bei der obigen Analogie zu bleiben (oder mindestens Abstufungen Futterautomat/Imbiss/Kantine/Marchee/Casino). Die "Community Liaisons"-Personen (Kellner) mögen ein Puzzleteil sein, die können immerhin durch die Schwingtür/hinter die Theke treten, aber eine offene Küche ist auch das leider noch nicht.
 * Wegen der "Community Liaisons" bin ich aber auch ein wenig skeptisch, ich kenne da zu viele andere Beispiele, wo "Liaisons" dazwischen geschaltet wurden, um Ruhe zu schaffen, sprich sich besser abzuschotten. Einige "Kundenhotlines" funktionieren so, dass die die Prügel bekommen, die für andere bestimmt sind und selber aber auch keine Infos/Möglichkeiten fürs Verbesserungsmanagement bekommen. Jedenfalls sind auch die kein Allheilmittel. Ich mag den Ansatz aber dennoch gerne begrüßen. --PigeonIP (talk) 19:17, 1 August 2013 (UTC)

My friend was going to work well on a topic you want to help
create your own wiki project that we would like to add to the lua language but that medyawi How to install ubuntu or are. If you have experience or knowledge about this topic would be glad if you share --Enemyx
 * Hi, sorry but I have problems to understand your request. Could you please elaborate, and explain why you contact specifically me? Thanks! :) --AKlapper (WMF) (talk) 17:52, 6 December 2013 (UTC)

Request for editbugs
Can you give editbugs to the jackmcbarn+wmbzgmail.com Bugzilla account? Thanks, Jackmcbarn (talk) 03:55, 19 December 2013 (UTC)
 * Sure, here you go! :) --AKlapper (WMF) (talk) 10:55, 19 December 2013 (UTC)

On-wiki chat
I wonder, could we put this project https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Future/Real-time_collaboration on the agenda, and what would be the right venue to gain consensus towards starting it's implementation?Tdfdc (talk) 08:37, 9 January 2014 (UTC)
 * Hi Tdfdc, I think I'm not the right person to ask when it comes to resource allocation. I wonder which "agenda" you refer to; to get things going you could discuss potential first steps on the talk page or wikitech-l. Hope that helps. :) --AKlapper (WMF) (talk) 10:15, 9 January 2014 (UTC)
 * I was referring to the sentence "Believed to be interesting enough to explore, not officially on the agenda." that appears in "Status" section of https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Future/Real-time_collaboration. Who is the right person when it comes to resource allocation please?Tdfdc (talk) 12:21, 9 January 2014 (UTC)
 * Between the lines it so far felt like you are talking about Wikimedia Foundation but it's not clear to me. Have you already tried on the talk page, or contacting the people who expressed their interest? That looks like the way to go to me in mostly volunteer driven bottom-up projects. 11190 might also have some thoughts worth to read. --AKlapper (WMF) (talk) 12:43, 9 January 2014 (UTC)

"Original intention"
Re this, I'm pretty sure her original intention was to spam for the link at the bottom :-). --Tim&#160;Landscheidt 12:56, 28 April 2014 (UTC)

PdfHandler extension
My rationale was to remove duplicated information, since this is already included in the extension's info box. However I forgot to remove the reference at the top of the page. The page was a total partially outdated mess before I worked on it and this just happened in the heat of the action. So no worries since this is a wiki after all. Cheers --&#91;&#91;kgh&#93;&#93; (talk) 13:50, 15 August 2014 (UTC)
 * In that case, please feel free to go ahead and remove the reference on top. I wasn't sure... :) --AKlapper (WMF) (talk) 14:12, 15 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Let's do it at the next (big) overhaul. It does not harm to have this is both spots after all. Cheers --&#91;&#91;kgh&#93;&#93; (talk) 14:42, 15 August 2014 (UTC)

Mobile view version of Wikipedia bahasa Indonesia
Please improve the appeareance of this page like on English Wikipedia. Thanks. Relly Komaruzaman (talk) 02:44, 10 October 2014 (UTC)
 * Please contact the Wikimedia mobile engineering team. Thank you! --AKlapper (WMF) (talk) 08:47, 10 October 2014 (UTC)

Events/FOSDEM/2015
Events/FOSDEM/2015 is on the road and in our topic for the first General assembly of Wikimedia Belgium this Saturday. Let's start to manage the wikimedia stand. Cheers, Lionel Scheepmans (talk) 18:10, 20 January 2015 (UTC)

Phabricator
You're welcome. It's just my job. - Fabsouza1 (talk) 17:29, 2 February 2015 (UTC)

Phabricator - Latvian Wikipedia
Hi! I have some questions. We (Latvian Wikipedia) want to make some software changes. I know, I need to report them in Phabricator, but currently I wanted to know what can be done and for what we need community voting. So here is the things: So currently you could just confirm, what can be changed and for what we need consensus. --Edgars2007 (talk) 16:10, 2 March 2015 (UTC)
 * in formatnum we would like (because it is in Latvian language) to increase minimal number to separate thousands from 4 to 5
 * in parser functions like formatnum and expr we want to change decimal mark from point (.) to comma
 * change colon to point in clock time (12:32 -> 12.32)
 * there are problems with date display in some places, like signature. We would like to change the format there, I can't specify the changes, because it wont tell you anything. If you could tell in which place this is defined, then I probably be able to show examples. Also, in Recent changes list, where currently is "2 (march) 2015" (or "3 (march) 2015", if you see this tommorow :) )
 * we would also like to "fix" the alphabet in some places. See here, at the bottom of page press the "Šajā lapā izmantotās veidnes". There you see "Veidne:Ņujorka" as the last of template, but it should be after "Veidne:Navbox". The listing should be as it is in category. The same problem here (ending of the list - VietasKarte/dati/Āfrika etc.).
 * Hi, for general information on when consensus for configuration changes is required, please refer to https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requesting_wiki_configuration_changes (of course that requires a configuration setting to exist). I don't know the specific details for everything you listed above, but I imagine that some of the current rendering is not even a MediaWiki setting or decision at all but taken from the Common Locale Definition Repository (CLDR) instead, e.g. the rendering of time like 12:32 is defined for Latvian here: http://unicode.org/cldr/trac/browser/trunk/common/main/lv.xml#L1148 . "formatnum" seems to be defined as translations in MediaWiki core (again not a configuration) for some languages, but Latvian does not have that in https://git.wikimedia.org/blob/mediawiki%2Fcore.git/HEAD/languages%2Fmessages%2FMessagesLv.php . So I'm afraid I cannot help here much either (but if filing Phabricator tasks, preferably only one request per task, see How to report a bug). --AKlapper (WMF) (talk) 18:04, 2 March 2015 (UTC)

A kitten for you!
Thanks for being always there when I need it.

Elitre (WMF) (talk) 14:34, 25 March 2015 (UTC) 
 * You are very very welcome! It's a pleasure to help. :) --AKlapper (WMF) (talk) 14:40, 25 March 2015 (UTC)

Starting conversion of LiquidThreads to Flow at mediawiki.org
Hello. I'm sending this to you, because you've been one of the top 50 users of LQT on mediawiki.org over the last 360 days, and I wanted to make sure that you'd seen the announcement at Starting conversion of LiquidThreads to Flow at mediawiki.org. There are links in the topic-summary at the top, for other discussions (wikitech-l and Project:Current_issues), and a link to the planned process and timeline (scheduled to begin April 6, with smaller conversions at first). Please do test Flow out at Talk:Sandbox if you haven't tried it recently, and give any feedback/suggestions/requests at that main discussion location. Much thanks, Quiddity (WMF) (talk) 23:46, 27 March 2015 (UTC)

Your profile picture on Phabricator
Thanks for uploading a profile picture on Phabricator. However this media is missing permission information. No source is given, nor is there any proof that the author or copyright holder agreed to license the file under a free license. Please provide a link to an appropriate webpage with license information, or send an email with copy of a written permission to OTRS (permissions-en@wikimedia.org). This also applies if you are the author yourself.

Please see this page for more information on how to confirm permission, and Commons:Permission if you would like to understand why we ask for permission when uploading work that is not your own.

Unless the permission information is given, I will be forced to contact WMF-legal regarding this issue. Thank you for your time.

Yours truly,

Jonatan Svensson Glad (talk) 23:54, 10 April 2015 (UTC)


 * Thanks for bringing this up. https://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Terms_of_Use and https://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Terms_of_Use/Phabricator apply. I fail to see the reference to OTRS or Commons here as Phabrricator avatars are hosted on phab.wmfusercontent.org and having to provide either a link or written permission in every case. But as this might be a general issue with any avatars in Wikimedia Phabricator, please feel encouraged to discuss the topic of Phabricator user avatars in T1180. Regarding the specific case of my currently used avatar in Phabricator, see the section "May I use the pictures for …?" on http://www.sp-studio.de/faq/ . --AKlapper (WMF) (talk) 20:26, 13 April 2015 (UTC)
 * Please read the "Is this an official South Park website?" which explains it is not an official website for South Park and that the creator of that website do not own the copyright to the avatars distributed on that website. Also ready the "Forbidden" section under "May I use the pictures for …?" which explains that it can not be used for comercial purposes, and what I know Phab isn't allowed to claim Fair use, but I don't know. As for the task I would like it reopened even if Legal does not answer, since we need to forma a comunity desition on how to handle copyright violations anyways, even if they do not make a statement. Just my 2 öre (Swedish cents). Josve05a (talk) 20:59, 13 April 2015 (UTC)
 * It seems irrelevant whether it is an official website for South Park hence not sure why you bring that up? Unfrotunately I could not find the place where "the creator of that website do not own the copyright to the avatars distributed on that website" is written, maybe you could provide the exact code and the section? I'm also curious to understand how you see a "commercial purpose" in my avatar use in Wikimedia Phabricator. Thanks for your help! --AKlapper (WMF) (talk) 21:12, 13 April 2015 (UTC)
 * When I wrote "code" I obviously meant "quote", sorry for that. --AKlapper (WMF) (talk) 13:58, 15 April 2015 (UTC)
 * (late) For one, only the creator of SOuth Park can license images of works of South Park. Commedy Central does. And all website of WMF, unless given permission from leagal, can only have free content which allows comerical and adoptations, I see nowhere where legal has allowed Phabricator to be allowed to hold non -NC or fair use, never the less in profile pictures, which does not fall within WMF-policies about fair use. I've sent an email to legal about this issue, pending response. Josve05a (talk) 12:03, 5 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your efforts to clarify the situation! On the general problem, Legal is very welcome to comment on T1180 - that task is specifically about inappropriate avatars in Wikimedia Phabricator. --AKlapper (WMF) (talk) 19:17, 5 July 2015 (UTC)
 * I'm still not entirely sure if my Phabricator avatar image was unfree but to avoid further uncertainty (at least in my case) I have removed that avatar image in question. Again thanks for bringing this up and your efforts! Appreciated. --AKlapper (WMF) (talk) 12:27, 7 July 2015 (UTC)

Anfrage aus der deWP
Hi,

schaust du mal auf de:WP:PHAB, ob das so einigermaßen hinkommt?

Habe ich richtig verstanden, dass eine Task subscribers hat, ein Team dagegen members und watchers?

Außerdem wüsste ich gern was zu URL im Phab:
 * 1) Verlinkung von Projektbeschreibungen
 * 2) * Mit https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/tag/i18n komme ich auf das Workboard.
 * 3) * Mit https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/project/sprint/profile/156 bekomme ich die Projektbeschreibung.
 * 4) * Was muss ich anstellen, wenn ich die Projektbeschreibung von  verlinken will, aber nicht weiß, dass das die Nummer   hat?
 * 5) * Bei https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/tag/mediawiki-extensions-css komme ich direkt auf die Projektbeschreibung; vermutlich, weil es grad kein Workboard gibt.
 * 6) Verlinkung ohne Callsign – gleiche Geschichte wie eben
 * 7) * Wenn ich von einer Aufgabe die Beschreibung  kenne, aber nicht weiß, dass das Callsign dazu   lautet – wie würde ich zu einer URL kommen?

Schöne Woche --PerfektesChaos (talk) 22:35, 25 April 2015 (UTC)
 * PS: Was war eigentlich die größte Bugzilla-Nummer? 58.000 +x? Gab es sowas wie einen „letzten Bugzilla-Bug“, analog zu rSVN115794? LG --PerfektesChaos (talk) 09:03, 27 April 2015 (UTC)
 * Hej hej, alle Projekttypen haben sowohl Members als auch Subscribers - siehe Phabricator/Help fuer die unterschiedlichen Bedeutungen. Es gibt momentanen keinen direkten Link auf die Projektbeschreibung wenn man nur den Namen aber nicht die Nummer des Projektes kennt. Wenn noch niemand ein Workboard fuer ein Projekt eingerichtet hat wird anstelle dessen die Projektbeschreibung angezeigt. Callsign werden noch debattiert unter Phabricator/Diffusion/Callsign naming conventions (und da habe ich mich selbst auch noch nicht hinreichend eingearbeitet). Und das letzte Bugzilla-Ticket war 73681. --AKlapper (WMF) (talk) 09:13, 27 April 2015 (UTC)

Assistance on Gnome Bugzilla
Hello Andre

you are long time active on Gnome Bugzilla and likely you can assist me there with my patches too.

I've created patches for librsvg - The SVG rasterer used on Wikipedia. The following list references the related bugs I worked on. I tried to contact the maintainer on the mailinglist but didn't get a answer yet.


 * 1)
 * 2)
 * 3)
 * 4)
 * 5)

Recent active maintainers of librsvg were Chpe and Federico.

I want these patches to be committed before the 17th August since then it is feature freeze for the next release of Gnome. Can you help me?

Greetings --Menner (talk) 07:43, 24 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Hi, I can't do magic either but of course I can try to ping folks. To which mailing list did you write (any link to the archives)? Which maintainer did you contact? Federico is active from time to time; chpe way less. --AKlapper (WMF) (talk) 08:27, 24 May 2015 (UTC)


 * I've contacted Federico in CC with my mail to public mailing list: https://mail.gnome.org/archives/desktop-devel-list/2015-May/thread.html


 * Pinging is good. So I get feedback and can improve my commitments. Further I can emphasis my interests. Otherwise I expect to stay unnoticed not even knowing why.


 * --91.6.88.147 10:44, 24 May 2015 (UTC)


 * Any news? I've tested these patches with Tango Icon Theme and compared it with percetualdiff test suit against previous release. This states only non-perceptual differences beyond text rendering. --Menner (talk) 16:05, 4 June 2015 (UTC)
 * I've pinged again in https://mail.gnome.org/archives/desktop-devel-list/2015-June/msg00001.html but you could also try to catch Federico on IRC... --AKlapper (WMF) (talk) 15:38, 10 June 2015 (UTC)
 * 2 of the 5 bugs listed above have been fixed lately in upstream librsvg code. --AKlapper (WMF) (talk) 07:58, 6 July 2015 (UTC)

Bitte um Entsperrung beim Phabricator
Moin Andre, Du hast mich für mein penetrantes Insistieren auf einer sinnvollen Antwort in diesem Phab gesperrt, das hätte ich gerne revertiert. Ich bin zwar noch immer stinkig, dass keiner der zahllosen hochbezahlten Programmierer mir die richtige Stelle zur Diskussion mitgeteilt hat, (und bei Lila war imho klar falsch) bzw. die einzige mir zugetragene Stelle definitiv falsch war, aber ich denke, ich könnt' mich künftig beim Phab etwas zurückhalten, dann würden halt diverse Diskussionsseiten der Nicht-Kümmerer in SF zugetextet werden müssen. Inzwischen würde ich aber auch bei anderen Problemem, die über den Phab abgehandelt werden, meine Erfahrungen und Beobachtungen mit einbringen wollen, dank dieser Sperre geht das aber nicht. Außerdem fehlt mir sowieso die Information, an welcher Stelle ein solches Admin- bzw- Sperrproblem angesprochen bzw. Einspruch eingelegt werden könnte. Solche Dinge gehen legitimerweise nur über die Community, die hat das absolute Sagen über die Serviceorganisation WMF. Wo wäre also die korrekte Sperrprüfungsseite für das Communityproject des Wikiversums Phabricator? Irgendwie scheint mir der ein recht undemokratisches Eigenleben an den Nutzern vorbei zu führen. Es wäre natürlich auch möglich, den Phab tatsächlich auf rein technische Details für Nerds zu beschränken, dann muss aber ganz oben von den (bezahlten) Insidern klar der Ort für Diskussionen im Wikiverse (und auf gar keinem Fall in Mailinglisten) angegeben werden, dass ist imho das mindeste, dass die unbezahlten Autoren von den bezahlten Servicekräften verlangen können. --Grüße vom Sänger ♫(Reden)superputsch must go 13:35, 8 June 2015 (UTC)
 * Hi, danke fuer die Nachricht! Generell ist Phabricator offen fuer alle, die sich konstruktiv einbringen moegen. Ich habe Dich nicht fuer "penetrantes Insistieren" gesperrt wie Du behauptest - siehe T90801. Insistieren kann voellig legitim und richtig sein wenn es darum geht, eine technische Diskussion voranzubringen (und ggf. falsche Argumentationen als solche herauszuarbeiten ohne dabei persoenlich zu werden). Ich habe Dich gesperrt weil ich darum gebeten hatte der von der Community geschriebenen Etiquette zu folgen. Der darauffolgende Kommentar in T90801 wirkt auf mich als sei diese Bitte geflissentlich ignoriert worden.
 * Den Autoren der Etiquette geht es darum dass Leute respektvoll miteinander umgehen (unabhaengig ob jemand fuer irgendetwas bezahlt wird oder nicht) und ich diene gerne der Community dabei die Etiquette umzusetzen. Falls Du meinst dass Du der Etiquette in Zukunft folgen wirst (ich weiss nicht ob "beim Phab etwas zurückhalten" dies implizit ausdruecken soll?), aktiviere ich gerne Dein Konto im Wikimedia Phabricator wieder.
 * Mir ist keine "korrekte Sperrprüfungsseite für das Communityproject des Wikiversums Phabricator" bekannt. Solch ein Thema wuerde sicher gut auf die Diskussionsseite der Phabricator Etiquette passen, so dass die Community gemeinsam die Idee und einen moeglichen Workflow diskutieren kann (und das dann in die Etiquette eingehen kann). --AKlapper (WMF) (talk) 08:41, 9 June 2015 (UTC)
 * Danke, das hast Du richtig verstanden. Was ich bislang noch immer nicht verstanden habe, ist folgendes: Warum konnte oder wollte mir niemand von denen, die dafür bezahlt werden, dies wissen zu müssen, den korrekten Platz für die laut Etiquette nicht dort hingehörigen Grundsatzdiskussionen nennen? Insbesondere bei diesem völlig mißlungenen Profildingsda, das nur und alleine von den Communities entschieden hätte werden dürfen, weil ein Profil nun mal qua definitionem ein Communityfeature ist, finde ich das in höchsten Maße arrogant und/oder abgehoben gegenüber dem eigentlichen Souverän, den Communities. Ich werde also künftig nicht mehr dort so "penetrant insistieren", das die Servicemitarbeiter gefälligst Service abliefern, sondern dann eben auf deren Diskussionsseiten, und nicht nur bei der eher minder-responsiven Lila.
 * Hast Du inzwischen eventuell rausgefunden, wo der Communitykonsens zur Einführung dieses Features stattgefunden hat? Und wo der richtige Platz für Diskussionen gewesen wäre? Imho müsste ein Pflichtfeld zum einreichen eines Phabs ein entsprechender Link in das Wikiversum sein, damit dort diskutiert und im Phab nur getechnobabbelt wird. --Grüße vom Sänger ♫(Reden)superputsch must go 11:40, 9 June 2015 (UTC)
 * Nachtrag:
 * Ich finde es ein Armmutszeugnis, dass ein solches "Feature" komplett ohne Einbindung der Communities, und imho sogar explizit an diesen vorbei, von augenscheinlich völlig ahnungslosen Programmierern entworfen und auch gleich ohne Rückfrage auf alle Nutzer losgelassen wurde. Es zeugt sehr deutlich von der Aversion derer in Frisco gegenüber den ungewaschenen Massen, die letztendlich allerdings über die Inhalterstellung, also den alleinigen Zweck der WPs, die Mittel zur Versorgung des stetig wachsenden Wasserkopf bereitstellen. WM ist keine Softwarebude, WM ist ein Inhaltsbereitsteller. Die Software muss den Autoren (und eingeschränkt den Lesern) dienen. Julius1990 hat das sehr schön in dem zugehörigen, inzwischen antwortlos archivierten, Thread bei Lila gesagt: asking before means reducing complaints after. Das ist eine Sache, die die WMF nicht mal ansatzweise beherzigt. --Grüße vom Sänger ♫(Reden)superputsch must go 11:56, 9 June 2015 (UTC)
 * Zu Formulierungen dass ich doch "gefälligst Service abliefern" moege: Responding to sarcastic, non-productive comments is not my priority. Communicating with good-faith, positive, engaged community members and ideas is. Thank you. --AKlapper (WMF) (talk) 14:26, 9 June 2015 (UTC)
 * Die WMF ist nun mal eine Serviceorganisation für die Autoren der diversen Wikiversum-Projekte, sie ist in keinster Weise der Chef des Ganzen. Leider scheinen einigen dort die Abermillionen, die dank der Autoren auf den Konten liegen, zu Kopf gestiegen zu sein, und sie wähnen sich besser als der eigentliche Souverän, den sie originär nurundankbare und unvermeidliche Bürokratenarbeit abnehmen sollten: Server warten, Software warten und auf Anforderung auch verbessern, gerne auch Vorschläge zur Verbesserung zur Abstimmung stellen, aber nicht selbstherrlich was einführen, juristischen Beistand und Rückhalt geben, die Gelder gut anlegen und dezentral so ausgeben, das den Autoren und Lesern ein maximaler Nutzen entsteht...
 * Diese komischen "Profile", die alles außer Profilen sind, sind da geradezu ein Paradebeispiel für das, was schief läuft. Profile sind etwas, das ausschließlich die Community interessieren darf. Also muss alles, was Profile angeht, auch unbedingt vor Einführung ausführlich mit den Communities in deren Zuhause diskutiert werden. Eine Einführung von derart halbgaren, unüberlegten Nichtprofilen komplett an den Nutzern vorbei zeugt von einem gerüttelt Maß an entweder Gedankenlosigkeit oder Verachtung. Wenn dann die Community plötzlich und unerwartet dieses "Feature" entdeckt und erwartungsgemäß in der Luft zerreißt, sollten die Verantwortlichen von sich aus auf die Communities zugehen (und zwar in richtigen Projekten, weder Phabricator noch Mailing-Listen sind legitime Diskussionsplattformen für solche Dinge, das sind dunkle Hinterzimmer von irgendwelchen In-Groups), sämtliche Fragen ausführlich beantworten und das umstrittene Projekt zunächst erst mal unscharf schalten bis es geklärt ist.
 * Wenn irgendwelche sonstigen Nutzer der Software außerhalb des Wikiversums dieses "Feature" haben wollen, sollen sie, ist aber absolut zweitrangig, das Wikiversum hat Vorrang und da entscheiden die Comunities, nicht Bürokraten in Elfenbeintürmen, zumindest sollte es so sein. Und dieses "Feature" das irgendjemand augenscheinlich ohne jedes Nachdenken "Profil" genannt hat, obwohl es dies überhaupt nicht ist, kann ohne jedes Problem komplett abgeschaltet werden, es fehlt nichts.
 * Apropos: Responding to sarcastic, non-productive comment": There is no productive comment whatsoever by those who developed it to those who asked questions. Wie mensch in den Wald hineinruft (Superputsch und das MV-Desaster verursacht allein durch die WMF), so schallt es hinaus. Die WMF hat mit ihrem communityverachtenden Verhalten in den letzten jahren jeglichen AGF verspielt, warum sollte da nicht ein wenig sarkasmus mal gut sein gegenüber den abgehobenen Leuten ohne Communityverbindung? --Grüße vom Sänger ♫(Reden)superputsch must go 15:50, 9 June 2015 (UTC)
 * Als Orte fuer Grundsatz-Diskussionen wuerden mir spontan https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l und https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Forum einfallen. Fuer alles weitere: Siehe meinen vorherigen Kommentar hier. In diesem Sinne, AKlapper (WMF) (talk) 17:34, 9 June 2015 (UTC)
 * Ich habe mal das Meta-Forum nach "UserProfile" durchsucht und keinen Hinweis auf irgendwelche Mitteilungen seitens der Programmierer dieses unerwünschten Bugs an die Community gefunden. Wo wurde das vorgestellt und von der Community für sinnvoll befunden? Das ist die entscheidende Frage, auf die die Verantwortlichen für diesen Bug leider die Antwort verweigern. Die Bildchen, die endlich ein paar von den Verantwortlichen zu ein ganz klein wenig Nachdenken veranlasst haben, waren nicht der Kern des Problems, es war die Implementation überhaupt an der Community vorbei, nur weil sie es konnten und in ihrer völligen Ahnungslosigkeit für nett gefunden haben. Ein solches "Feature" ist ohne explizite Communityzustimmung völlig illegitim, und wer das anders sieht, ist inkompatibel zum Wikiversum. Ein solches Vorgehen passt leider in das große Bild, dass die WMF von sich abgibt, mit der expliziten Kriegserklärung gegen die deWP mit dem brutalen Putsch von Erik um das Lieblingsspielzeug MV von Fabrice durchzuprügeln, die Entwicklung der merkbefreiten Forumssimulation "Flow", die nicht mal ansatzweise in der Lage ist den kompletten aktuellen Umfang der Diskussionsseiten zu ersetzen, das VE-Disaster vorletztes Jahr, die WMF hat den Kontakt zur Realität verloren, jegliche Basishaftung abgelegt und mensch sollte eigentlich sehr vielen da das en:WP:RTL nahelegen. Ohne unfangreiche Communityeinbindung fehlt der WMF jegliche Legitimation. Grüße vom Sänger ♫(Reden)superputsch must go 18:51, 9 June 2015 (UTC)
 * T63729 scheint sowohl die kollidierenden verschiedenen Einstellungen/Ansichten als auch vorhandene Probleme zusammenzufassen. Zur grundlegenden Diskussion dieser Einstellungen/Ansichten/Probleme habe ich in meinem letzten Kommentar zwei mir bekannte moeglicherweise angemessene Orte benannt. Und fuer sonstige Themen verweise ich ein letztes Mal auf meinen Kommentar vom 9. Juni, 14:26 UTC weiter oben in dieser Unterhaltung. Werte Gruesse, AKlapper (WMF) (talk) 15:34, 10 June 2015 (UTC)

Your fix on the out of date video
Regarding Phabricator/Creating_and_renaming_projects

Hello.

I know many of the people that come to MediaWiki are "old pros" who know what they're about. But as a complete novice, I feel that if a step is essentiaɭ to the process, and out-of-date video is WORSE than no video at all, especially where no text explaining the process is available. While my edit certainly resulted in an ugly page, and didn't improve the process at all, it DID make it clear to people who might be able to fix the problem that there was a problem to be fixed. I am worried that merely putting "outdated" in the video text is less likely to result in either


 * 1) A new video, or
 * 2) A step-by-step textual description of the process.

Until one of those things happens, I'm currently unable to proceed with registering my project. Please consider reverting your revert.

As a separate item, Is there a "STOP HELPINGǃǃǃ" option for the new editor drek? Every time I do a link, I have to press the square bracket, then a space, then another square bracket, then delete the space, otherwise the editor seems to magically scramble the two brackets into some weird apostrophe. I can't even get the space thing to work with curly braces, which don't show at all. This interference with what's actually being typed is very disconcerting. (Pressing "[ [" and then having a single backspace delete both keystrokes is hyper-non-intuitive, and sometimes wrong (if you only had one lead-in bracket).

Riventree
 * Hi Thanks for your message! So I added "outdated" to the video title because that's what I've also been doing for videos on https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Phabricator/Help in the past. Volunteers created these videos in late 2014 but Phabricator is moving fast and its user interface changes a lot. I have more hopes that people create updated videos when they get aware that videos exist (I might be wrong though) and that's why I wouldn't hide these videos from being shown on mediawiki.org.
 * For creating and renaming projects, special permissions in Phabricator are needed (as explained on https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Phabricator/Help ) but I've checked the textual description now and it is still correct.
 * Regarding editing, there is a classic way to edit content on a wiki page ("Edit source") which requires knowing the MediaWiki markup language, while there is also the newer VisualEditor which provides "what you see is what you get". Which one did you use? I'm not sure about the steps to reproduce the problem that you are unfortunately facing, and I wonder whether the fact that your user homepage is UserːRiventree instead of the default User:Riventree (compare the different colons) is also related to this problem?
 * But in general, please don't get discouraged - we all learn together and from each other. :) Thank you! --AKlapper (WMF) (talk) 19:06, 14 June 2015 (UTC)

Hi!
I left a message for you here. Ciao ciao! The Quixotic Potato (talk) 14:29, 9 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Same thing again. Please go here. The Quixotic Potato (talk) 15:57, 14 July 2015 (UTC)
 * It's more like "still" than "again". I've replied on English Wikipedia where you also pinged me. --AKlapper (WMF) (talk) 19:56, 15 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Thank you, problem solved. The Quixotic Potato (talk) 00:34, 16 July 2015 (UTC)

Please help me
https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T102460 NehalDaveND (talk) 05:48, 13 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Please learn how to be more patient. If everybody pinged every few days I don't see how this would scale. --AKlapper (WMF) (talk) 08:16, 13 July 2015 (UTC)

librsvg
Hi Andre!

Recently you were active on some librsvg bugs. I've tried to contact Federico directly to confirm he took notice but he's never present in IRC. Maybe you have better contact to him.

Beyond that I don't expect more issues. If my testing next weekend will be successful I'd like to push update of librsvg on Wikimedia. Since over the last year many interesting fixes have been commited.

-- Menner (talk) 20:02, 19 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Hi, I don't have better contact, sorry - basically the same IRC and email that you probably also use. :) Thanks for the patches to all those librsvg bugs and for testing! --AKlapper (WMF) (talk) 20:31, 19 January 2016 (UTC)

Please provide feedback on suggested improvements to the Code of Conduct
Thanks to everyone who’s helped work on the Code of Conduct so far.

People have brought up issues they feel were missed when working on "Unacceptable behavior" and "Report a problem". Consultants have also suggested changes in these same sections.

These are important sections, so please take a look at the proposed changes. I apologize that this feedback arrived later than planned, but I think this will create a better document.

If you prefer to give your opinion privately, feedback via e-mail is welcome at conduct-discussion@undefinedwikimedia.org.

Thanks. Mattflaschen-WMF via MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 04:18, 24 February 2016 (UTC)

A kitten for you!
I really appreciate what you do around the place, often in difficult circumstances, especially as you are the head that has to say no, or not yet, or not for quite a while. While I may test and challenge statements, I do hope that I am doing it respectfully, and I do try to do it politely, though know that there can be failures.

— billinghurst  sDrewth  10:38, 1 March 2016 (UTC) 

Request for delete account on phabricator
Hi AKlapper, sorry about this nuisance request, but could you delete on of accounts on Phabricator, please? I'm owner of two account: minatahatsune (1) and minhhuy (2). The (2) account was created because I want to change my old username (1) to new one, but can't found any tutorial about this process. As you see, I has same "LDAP User" and "MediaWiki User" for both account. And now I want to delete old account (1) due duplication.

Are there any ways to delete an account? Seem my old account (1) has some edits on tasks and might not be deleted? If that so, whether my new account (2) which no any edits could be deleted, and could you change my old username (1) to "minhhuy". After all, I just hope that I have one account with username is "minhhuy".

Sincerely apologize about this nuisance request, again. I understand that I'm bothering you, and please forgive my bad English grammar. Your sincerely. -- minhhuy (talk) 03:28, 5 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Hi, I destroyed the Phabricator User @minhhuy and renamed the other user. You can also attach your "MediaWiki User" via https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/settings/panel/external/ . For future reference, Talk:Phabricator/Help or a Phabricator task might scale better for such requests. :) Cheers, --AKlapper (WMF) (talk) 18:15, 5 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Thank you very much. :) -- minhhuy (talk) 03:30, 6 March 2016 (UTC)

MediaWiki 1.27
Hi Andre,

please unprotect page MediaWiki 1.27. Today is like the third time that I would like to add stuff to that page, but I can't because it is protected - with doubtful reasoning btw. Having a look at the other MW release pages, I am not the only IP users contributing there. These improvements currently get lost. Making the page editable again is the better choice!

Thanks in advance! --87.123.22.164 16:52, 5 April 2016 (UTC)

Help on template.
Hello, where can I find help to make Template:Langswitch work on Species ? Thanks Archi38 (talk) 13:33, 12 April 2016 (UTC)
 * mw:Template:Langswitch does not exist so I'm not sure what this is about, sorry. :-/ In general I'd expect technical village pumps to be a good venue to receive support, but for that you'd have to share which exact issues you're running into. --AKlapper (WMF) (talk) 10:42, 13 April 2016 (UTC)

Phabricator name change
Hello! (probably TMI but I came out as transgender a few months ago, which also came with changing my real name) so is it okay if you could change my username at https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/p/codynguyen1116/ to SamanthaNguyen? Thank you :) SamanthaNguyen (talk) 22:06, 4 August 2016 (UTC)

Edit: Would you also know who to go to for changing my username on gerrit.wikimedia.org? Thanks again! Sorry for the trouble haha
 * Hi, I've renamed your account in Phabricator. Note: "Users who rely on password authentication will need to reset their password after their username is changed (their username is part of the salt in the password hash). The user will receive an email notifying them that you changed their username, with instructions for logging in and resetting their password if necessary." I don't have access to rename in Gerrit, sorry - could you file a task in Phabricator against the "Gerrit" project about that, please? Thanks! --AKlapper (WMF) (talk) 09:15, 5 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Ah okay, thanks! :D I will! SamanthaNguyen (talk) 21:35, 5 August 2016 (UTC)

Locked out from Phabricator
Hi, I am not exactly sure why, but it seems that I was locked out of Phabricator. If it is because of the last two instances, ignorance made me file reports which were not bugs. Mea Culpa. Could you kindly reinstate me? I think I learned a lesson. Ineuw talk 20:26, 26 September 2016 (UTC)


 * What makes you think that you were locked out of Phabricator? What steps do you perform, what results do you see? --AKlapper (WMF) (talk) 08:04, 27 September 2016 (UTC)


 * This conversation seems to be a duplicate of Topic:Tbzzn9u4uas9g2w0. --AKlapper (WMF) (talk) 08:06, 27 September 2016 (UTC)


 * Sorry for the double post. I replied at my first post] Ineuw talk 00:19, 28 September 2016 (UTC)

Please participate again in improving the "Conflict of interest" section
The "Conflict of interest" section was not approved earlier.

There has been further discussion on it, aiming to solve those issues. Please participate in the sub-sections of Talk:Code of Conduct/Draft and make sure your concerns are being addressed.

Thanks.

User:Mattflaschen-WMF 03:55, 28 September 2016 (UTC)

Mailing list
Sorry to ping you this way, but I'm not sure there is any way to ping people on Phabricator and I really would like to know if this can be done, or should I look elsewhere. If it's not your area of responsibility/expertise, whom should I ping instead? Halibutt (talk) 22:49, 10 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Hmm, anyone listed as member of the project in Phabricator should be able to help, I'd say. I'm sorry that this takes longer. :( --AKlapper (WMF) (talk) 08:44, 11 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the info., help! SOS! Pretty, pretty please :) Halibutt (talk) 15:31, 11 October 2016 (UTC)
 * I don't have the list creation password. -- Krenair (talk &bull; contribs) 15:42, 11 October 2016 (UTC)

systemLanguage and rsvg
I'm not on Bugzilla, but you requested a review of the patch at


 * https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=761482

The patch does not follow the semantics of SVG 1.1 switch at all and should be reverted. The details are at


 * https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T125710

I would appreciate it if you could get it reverted.

In addition, the T125710 page describes the confusion of locale strings and langtags. It also points out what is wrong with rsvg's langtag comparison.

It would be far better if the input to rsvg was a language preference string.

There's still a lot of stuff broken with WM Commons switch translated file. It used to work, but it broke many months ago.

Glrx (talk) 22:49, 26 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Hi, you could get onto GNOME Bugzilla and add a comment over there: https://bugzilla.gnome.org/createaccount.cgi Note there is nothing to "revert" as the patch does not seem to be merged yet, but your review comments would very likely be welcome there. --AKlapper (WMF) (talk) 09:49, 27 October 2016 (UTC)


 * I've wasted half a day struggling with the UI on phabricator and still could not find what I want. I needed help from another to find the T125710 report. I don't want to waste a similar amount of time over at Bugzilla -- especially with the poor privacy policy there. Glrx (talk) 19:06, 27 October 2016 (UTC)
 * If I can help you find what you want, please tell me which problems you ran into. :) And I'll forward your comment to GNOME Bugzilla. --AKlapper (WMF) (talk) 19:19, 27 October 2016 (UTC)

It is your suggestion to inform the rsvg people about my comments at T125710. I took that as being you would post a link (or copy) my comments as an rsvg bug. From what you've said, the report should have broader scope than PhiLiP's forgotten report.

Where does a mere Wikipedia mortal report something so it gets fixed?

As further evidence of my ineptness, there have been a few reports about problems with SVG handling within WM: But nothing came of those reports.
 * Many have complained that SVGTranslate stopped working
 * https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Graphics_village_pump#Case_sensitive_comparison_on_IETF_langtags

Others and I have been clueless about where to report such nonsense. They should be simple fixes for those who know. That's what happens with a lot of bots and templates on en.WP. A user finds a problem, reports on the bot/template's talk page, and it gets fixed.

Instead of a structure for WM or outside tool complaints, there just seems to be randomness. Post a message on a Help talk page and hope that somebody there knows what to do with it. There must be a better way.

Finally, frustrated with ineffective posts, I drilled down to find out what was wrong myself.

It was pulling teeth to drill down on the SVGTranslate problem. I don't know Git, and I don't know PHP. Even when I found the bug (the stack trace pointed to an protection violation at line 395), it was not clear what to do with it.

I landed at Phabricator. Somebody had already reported the bug on 27 June 2016 at but it got lost on the scrap heap. Nothing had been done except some assignments. So I explained what had happened. A little later I left a note on Krinkle's talk page.
 * https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T138780

Phabricator seems to be a tangled web rather than a tree. I'm sure it must be better than that, but I'm no expert, and it's impenetrable to me. It's far afield from the community that WM serves.

That got SVGTranslate working again, but there's still the langtag nonsense. I drilled down looking for the langtag problem but got nowhere. With some help, I was pointed to T125710 that linked to PhiLiP's edits. Even if PhiLiP's bad edit ahs not been merged, the existing langtag comparison is wrong as I explained at Phabricator; it does not follow the spec.

So report some problems to rsvg; maybe that will get fixed eventually.

But by all means get the lowercase/uppercase langtag / |lang= problem fixed.

Jerry
 * I'm trying to understand which expectations are behind words like "But nothing came of those reports", as long as no reporter has made sure their comments (I don't know where 'many have complained' as no links were provided) will be placed in a venue seen by developers. There is Phabricator; it is used to manage bug reports - that might be "the better way" you refer to. I don't see either how some bug report "got lost on the scrap heap" (whatever that exactly means) - it might have been seen by a developer, on the other hand I'm only aware of a very small number of Wikimedians sporadically working on the SVG code in their free time. In general in free and open source software projects, if you or someone else do not decide to work on writing a patch, there is no guarantee that anything will happen, as manpower is not unlimited. And that fact can indeed be very frustrating sometimes. --AKlapper (WMF) (talk) 10:22, 28 October 2016 (UTC)