Help talk:Deleting a page

detail where the 'delete' link can be found
This article is not easy to understand or follow. It needs to: detail where the 'delete' link can be found; define what a 'sysop' admin user is; outline how to actually delete the page (as a step by step process). In addition to this the writing needs to be cleaned up to clarify the entire article - in its present state it doesn't read well.

I don't know how to delete a page and therefore am not able to carry out the required edits myself. I've added the comments because as a user needing help I'm still none the wiser.


 * perhaps you see no [delete] tab. not all wiki visitors have all rights.  see perhaps Help:User_rights for more. -- peblusto 12:25, 28 December 2007 (UTC)


 * Yes. If you can't see the 'delete' link (tab at the top), you are not a "sysop", so your main problem with understanding this page, will be that you are trying to find out how to do something which you are not allowed to do. The page could perhaps be clearer in explaining that you are not allowed to do it, but really I think there's only two little problems remaining with this page:
 * Firstly the page currently doesn't explain what you can do, as a normal user (delete the text contents of the page, and lable it as deleted) This was the section I put at the very top of the page, but as discussed below, it has been removed.
 * Secondly the section which mentions requiring sysop rights, should link to Help:User rights, or some other page. However currently Help:User rights is not a useful page to link to, since it has no basic explaination of what a sysop user is, or you how you might become one. It should explain these things, instead of detailing config variables which belong in the manual (but that's a discussion I'm also having at Help talk:User rights)
 * I guess frustration at not seeing "delete" link is what prompts you to say "writing needs to be cleaned up", I can't see any major writing clean-up type issues. Just the above two things need tackling.
 * --Harry Wood 11:18, 2 January 2008 (UTC)


 * We now have more information under Help:Sysops and permissions including step-by-step details at Help:Sysop deleting and undeleting ...although if you are a sysop, is pretty obvious how to delete. Whether to delete is the more tricky point -- Harry Wood 15:14, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

Normal users can just delete the page contents
My little top section got removed

On several smaller scale wikis, with less wikipedia style proccesses in place, I've found that the best thing is to advise users to remove the text from the page, and label it as deleted. I know that advice doesn't apply to mediawiki.org, and other wikimedia projects (large wikis with more processes in place) but it is not "absolutely bogus advice". It is advice based on experience of working with smaller wikis (most wikis where these help pages will get copied to)

To my mind the current page fails to perform its primary function of telling normal users how to do it

Maybe we need the advice on these pages to also be reasonably valid within the mediawiki.org wiki, so I guess that presents a conflict of purposes.

-- Harry Wood 17:01, 28 December 2007 (UTC)

Permanently deleting a page
It would be extremely nice if deleted pages could be permanently deleted. I don't see why this feature was left out (especially for admins), yes it is nice to undelete deleted pages, however it should be an option on a per-wiki basis (ie make some variable that would turn on permanent deletion) and left up to the admins to decide. ~nouse4anick

How do you apply a 'delete' label?
It's really frustrating for new users when the help page on how to delete an article tells users to apply a "'delete' label" to the page and then give no direction as to how to do so.

How do you do it? How much hunting do you expect new users to do every time they want to do something new?