Thread:Talk:New Page Triage/Status?/reply (6)

Yep! If NPP is hard then talkpages are even harder - but probably even more important because they affect everyone equally, newbies and oldbies alike. And, 'messaging' can certainly be considered within the context of the new editor retention efforts because it will give us a viable option for newbies. "please join the discussion over here" will become a viable entry-point for new users (especially if they come via a call to action from the AFTv5) rather than the confusing mess it currently is.

I think my problem is that with these two big issues (NPP and LQT) already raised and partially worked-on, I find it frustrating to see all the actual progress happening on smaller, band-aid solutions that aren't even community supported. There's so many big things that could be worked on that affect new user retention and that have community buy-in to be overhauled (even if we don't agree *how* to overhaul them) that I find it frustrating to watch these important projects constantly languish when the personnel are allocated to little fripperies like the mood-bar. Of course, the WYSIWYG work is a great exception to this and it's awesome that that project is being fully supported! Sorry for the rant...