Thread:Talk:New Page Triage/This is going to bite more newbies than the present system/reply (4)

There are no easy answers to this one. But there are some partial answers:
 * 1) If you take off the deadline of it becoming automatically patrolled after 30 days then at least the pressure of working against a deadline falls away.
 * 2) Several of the templates we smear over articles should be automatically generated categories. Ideally hidden categories as our readers really don't need a category to tell them that an article has no categories or is an orphan. The templates that we show our readers really ought to be the ones such as unreferenced that are needed to warn our readers. If we gave our patrollers fewer templates that they could post and the patrolling screen had tools to easily de-orphan or categorise an article, then we might move a bit back to the SoFixIt mentality that built the pedia instead of the SoSmearItWithTemplates mentality that has so soured the project.
 * 3) One of our biggest problems with newpage patrol is that some patrollers think in terms of making sure that the badfaith stuff gets deleted, and others think in terms of whether articles are ready for mainspace. Both are of course worthy objectives, but you can't run both types of patrol with a binary patrolled/unpatrolled system. Or rather you can, but you get the current mess. The solution would be to move from a binary system to something slightly more complex that fits the patrollers mindsets. Instead of a binary choice give them an additional nuance. So the mark as patrolled  box would become [Goodfaith/Ready for mainspace] if a patroller clicks Ready for mainspace then it gets marked as fully patrolled, if they click Goodfaith then it changes colour from yellow to green at specialnewpages and the next person to look at it just sees the option [Ready for mainspace]. At the front of the queue where the priority is screening out attack pages and other utter crap the aim would become making sure that everything was at least looked at and either tagged for deletion or marked as Goodfaith. I suspect many articles would get marked as ready for mainspace, but, and this is the crucial bit, everything would be looked at very soon after being created and I'd be surprised if the queue of completely unpatrolled "yellow" articles every ran to more than a few hours. The back of the queue of the screened "green" articles would continue as is, or possibly we might get more picky as to our minimum requirements for [ready for mainspace]. My suspicion is that deletionists and inclusionists alike would be happier under such a system - especially if we also had NoIndex set on unpatrolled articles. And of course the pressure on the "Green" articles could be changed from templating them for all sorts of improvements for others to do, to actually doing the necessary categorisation, wikifying and maybe even referencing before marking them as ready for mainspace.