User talk:Krinkle/Archive 1

Merge of Review queue and Requests for comment
Hi. I've reverted your merge of Review queue and Requests for comment. I see them as distinct processes with distinct goals, so it doesn't make any sense to me why they'd be merged. I also couldn't find any discussion of this merge. Let me know if you have any questions or concerns. --MZMcBride 20:06, 20 February 2011 (UTC)
 * I merged them in respond to a then active mailing list thread. Looking back I think either could work, but right now neither is used. Most of that shouldn't be on-wiki anyway in my opinion. Bugs that should get done are filed on BugZilla, given an assignee (and a priority perhaps) and wait for execution, listing them on mw.org doesn't help anything. Ideas for extensions, that have been written, can be submitted to SVN and if WMF needs them, a bug can be opened to request installing it on WMF which means it will be reviewed first in CodeReview. Anyway, if you believe they are better apart, I can understand that approach as well. Thanks, Krinkle 13:50, 24 February 2011 (UTC)

Extra buttons for new-fangled toolbar
Gday Krinkle. We talked in IRC last week about buttons for Wikieditor toolbar, and you said that you were working on stuff to make it easier for the technically (less|in)-competent like me to fathom how to do buttons. If I was meant to be looking somewhere for any works with regard to this, then I missed out on where to look. If there is nothing to see, that is okay, and I will await any forthcoming announcement with bated breath. :-) — billinghurst  sDrewth  15:17, 13 June 2011 (UTC) Don't worry, you didn't miss it. I'll publish it on my Meta-Wiki scripts folder later tonight (thuss replacing the no-longer-optimally-working "insertVectorButtons"). Thanks for the reminder. Krinkle 15:19, 13 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Hey there,
 * ✅ m:User:Krinkle/Scripts/InsertWikiEditorButton. Krinkle 21:30, 13 June 2011 (UTC)

Purge action script
I left a note at Talk:Snippets/Purge action for you. It's related to Tech. --MZMcBride 03:21, 25 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the note. Replied there. Krinkle 11:51, 25 August 2011 (UTC)

Menu-Tabs toggler
Hi Krinkle. I have the animation sorted now. But I'd love to hear your opinion on the script as a whole. It is now a gadget on enwiki, or you can import it from en:User:Edokter/MenuTabsToggle.js. What is left on my wishlist is to find out if addPortletLink has some callback functionality that I can hook into, as the only problem remaining is that portlet links added to empty portlets afterwards are not included.  — Edokter  ( talk ) — 12:51, 4 September 2011 (UTC)

r97381
Have you seen my comment to r97381? --Fomafix 19:34, 15 October 2011 (UTC)
 * I've seen it now. Fixed in 99935. Thanks! Krinkle 23:52, 15 October 2011 (UTC)

Enhanced clock gadgets
Hi Krinkle,

I made some enhancements to the clock gadgets on french wikibooks :
 * Add support for clockWithSeconds parameter in user script to show/hide seconds,
 * Restart clock display at hh:mm:ss.100 (100ms within the next second) to avoid skipping some seconds display.

See :
 * b:fr:MediaWiki:Gadget-UTCLiveClock.js
 * b:fr:MediaWiki:Gadget-LocalLiveClock.js

--DavidL 14:27, 10 December 2011 (UTC)

MediaWiki:Histlegend
FYI. --MZMcBride 07:11, 8 January 2012 (UTC)

Friendly reminder: 1/13 @ 19:00 UTC - MediaWiki Workshop: Preparing extensions for MW 1.19 in #wikimedia-dev
Thank you for your interest in the MediaWiki Workshop, Preparing extensions for MediaWiki 1.19!

As a friendly reminder, the workshop is being held being held in about 12 hours - 13 January, 2012 at 19:00 UTC - in IRC (#wikimedia-dev).

This workshop will be an opportunity to share information about changes in MediaWiki 1.19 that may require revisions to extensions or skins. Also an opportunity for developers to ask questions regarding extension development.

Look forward to seeing you in IRC. :) --Varnent 06:18, 13 January 2012 (UTC)

API talk:Meta
Why did you deleted this page? KPu3uC B Poccuu 13:32, 19 January 2012 (UTC)
 * I meant to blank the page not to delete it. Hereby restored. The reason I wanted to blank it is because your account was blocked on a Wikipedia site and blacklisted under "cross-wiki vandalism". When going through cross-wiki activity I came across this creation here on MediaWiki.org and it didn't seem to be very useful or sense-making. Anyway, restored it and left a note. Perhaps you can clarify the problem or confirm that it was indeed not a stupidity in the API ? Krinkle 22:38, 19 January 2012 (UTC)
 * What? I has never been blocked for vandalism on any of Wikimedia sites. I was 3 times blocked on Russian Wikipedia but never for vandalism and never on other sites. Please show me a log entry where I was blocked for "cross-wiki vandalism". KPu3uC B Poccuu (talk) 12:12, 21 February 2012 (UTC)

Review request
Hi!

Could you please review [//www.mediawiki.org/w/index.php?title=Extension:WikiEditor/Toolbar_customization/Library&dir=prev&offset=20110131175206&limit=3&action=history my changes] in the documentation about the (enhanced) toolbar customization? (to make sure I've used RL and dependencies correctly). Helder 15:06, 2 February 2012 (UTC)
 * BTW: maybe those changes are aplicable to m:User:Krinkle/Scripts/InsertWikiEditorButton.js? Helder 13:32, 22 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Hi, I understand your change but I'm not sure it's right. I think it's the job of the WikiEditor to make sure it's enabled correctly and available depending on the user and/or site configuration. Checking this preference here and loading the module seems redundant and/or using undocumented or unintended "features". Roan and Trevor recommended and documented samples with checking for  to decide whether or not to execute button-adding code for WikiEditor and that seems to work fine. Was there any reason (other than precaution) for this change? On the other hand I can imagine race conditions where we might want to add buttons to the load queue before MediaWiki has started loading the WikiEditor. I'll get back to you on this one! Krinkle (talk) 15:05, 22 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks!
 * It was just for precaution, since its being recommended to always declare dependencies of scripts and gadgets...
 * I reverted part of you edit because of 34594. Helder 15:44, 22 February 2012 (UTC)

Delete
Hi, could you please delete – test edit by anonymous user. Thanks, --Mikołka 17:29, 7 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks, ✅. Krinkle 18:00, 7 February 2012 (UTC)

Documentation for gadget authors
We're trying to start a library for gadget authors to use. Please check it out and post any questions or comments there. -- ☠ MarkAHershberger ☢ (talk) ☣ 01:43, 9 March 2012 (UTC)

r113197
Have you seen my comment? --Fomafix (talk) 12:47, 9 March 2012 (UTC)

Version number
MediaWiki is now at MediaWiki 1.18.2, so can you upgrade Template:MW stable release number? Thanks! --Jeffw &bull; (talk) 00:09, 23 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks, ✅ Krinkle (talk) 21:17, 23 March 2012 (UTC)

Template:WikimediaDownload edit
Hi, In response to your recent revert on Template:WikimediaDownload (diff), I'd like to alert you that while the ExtensionDistributor is back, it still is only working with SVN and as a result Users will miss out on the new versions of these that are hosted on Git as well as be unable to download new extensions that are only hosted on Git, I myself have an extension that is only in Git.

I understand the problems with the direct link, but until the ExtensionDistributor is updated, don't you think we should leave in a link to download a snapshot from Git? Thanks. Khaled El Mansoury (talk) 11:47, 13 May 2012 (UTC)

Git search
Hi!

I was wondering if there is any replacement for your tool which works with trunk version of MW, which is in Git/Gerrit? Helder 19:57, 17 May 2012 (UTC)
 * I wanted to start on this a few weeks ago. But unfortunately, the Toolserver had HTTPS issues making it impossible to create a regular  of the mediawiki repository (TS-1369). Now that the main issue has been fixed, I can work on this. Krinkle (talk) 20:12, 17 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Great! :-D Helder 21:09, 17 May 2012 (UTC)
 * I just found out this feature on top right of the gerrit interface.
 * BTW, using it I found out some ues of wgMWSuggestMessages, which doesn't seems to be defined anywere. Helder 15:08, 6 July 2012 (UTC)
 * We've got search on mediawiki.org as well ;-) Special:Search/wgMWSuggestMessages -> Manual:Interface/JavaScript. It has been deprecated, and removed in MediaWiki 1.16. That  script has also been deprecated, but not removed yet. Krinkle (talk) 20:15, 8 July 2012 (UTC)

getAllRights
Hi!

I saw [//www.mediawiki.org/w/index.php?title=ResourceLoader/V2_Task_management&diff=428933 this edit] and was wondering if the list of rights is/could be made available for user scripts and/or gadgets. I ask because of this bug. Helder 13:23, 21 May 2012 (UTC)
 * As mentioned in the diff there, it is already possible in PHP for Core and Extensions. Hence the RL2 project didn't have to do anything for that. The Gadgets 2.0 project also needed this information in the front-end, but that's not on the task list because that is already possible in core as well:
 * [//www.mediawiki.org/w/api.php?format=xmlfm&action=query&list=allusers&aufrom=Helder&auprop=rights action=query & list=allusers & auprop = rights] (other users)
 * [//www.mediawiki.org/w/api.php?format=xmlfm&action=query&meta=userinfo&uiprop=rights action=query & meta=userinfo & uiprop=rights] (just current user)
 * I see the linked Github issue talks about not wanting to use an AJAX request. Well, that's not going to work. But you shouldn't be worried about that imho. Krinkle (talk)
 * Thanks. Do you mean not to worry about a new AJAX request or about checking "if the user has the 'delete' user right"? Helder 20:13, 21 May 2012 (UTC)
 * The http request. Krinkle (talk) 20:14, 21 May 2012 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

 * Thanks! Krinkle (talk) 21:44, 27 May 2012 (UTC)

Adding pages of special characters to WikiEditor toolbar
Hi!

Do you think this approach is appropriated? Is there a better solution, or this is good enough to stay in the documentation? Helder 20:35, 31 May 2012 (UTC)

Branch points historical?
I'm not sure the page Branch points is really "historical", as you [//www.mediawiki.org/w/index.php?title=Branch_points&diff=prev&oldid=535857 have marked it]. It's still being [//www.mediawiki.org/w/index.php?title=Branch_points&diff=next&oldid=535857 updated] and being used in MWReleases, which in turn is being used on MediaWiki 1.20. - dcljr (talk) 00:48, 3 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks, I've updated it with new links for Git. The ability to transclude it within the wiki is useful so lets maintain this for now. Krinkle (talk) 01:15, 3 June 2012 (UTC)

MediaWiki:Edittools.js
Hi, you renamed the page above without leaving a redirect behind, but there are many pages currently linking to it. Could you please recreate the redirect? Capmo (talk) 01:44, 10 June 2012 (UTC)
 * There's only very few links left actually (I've fixed a few more just now). And the name has no significance, it has no special meaning. It was just the local name of a script loaded manually from Common.js. The delete reason contains a link to the new location. Thanks, Krinkle (talk) 11:02, 10 June 2012 (UTC)

Template:Note
Dear Krinkle. I commented on your recent changes on the Note template. I merly pointed out my opinion and I did not change anything back. I think that in some cases you are going to fast in changing or implementing templates. I like the ExtensionInstall template but we should preserve any documentation history like in Extension:WikiEditor. We lost the following lines: In 1.16, the WikiEditor was part of the usability initiative. As such, to get it for 1.16, please download it from Special:ExtensionDistributor/UsabilityInitiative or 1.16 svn branch.

For 1.17, get the extension with distributor or svn and drop it into MediaWiki directory /extensions (for example, it will create the new folder /extensions/WikiEditor)

For 1.18 and later the extension already comes with your MediaWiki package. You only need to install and configure it as described below: When you use the latesed Wiki software this is not a problem but some or a lot of people still use "older" versions of MediaWiki. Do not get me wrong, I appriciate the work you do on the MediaWiki Wiki but don't forget that most of the time things are the way they are for a reason. You can change and improve the documentation on this Wiki but a lot of people all around our globe are reading and using the same documentation, don't forget that. Best regards, --Felipe de Jong (talk) 11:59, 2 July 2012 (UTC)
 * I removed that because the version branched at 1.16 as part of the UsabilityInitiative is unstable and was not the version in use on Wikipedia at the time of 1.16wmf4 deployment. It should not be used. Also 1.16 is no longer supported, not even as legacy. The 1.17 and 1.18+ versions are okay, widely used and those don't need different instructions. I've replied on the Note template on its talk page. Krinkle (talk) 12:14, 2 July 2012 (UTC)

Asking to do the REPLY button on the kk wiki!
Hello Krinkle!

Can you help us to do in the Kazakh wikipedia the button Reply in the user talk or finding for us the man who can do it. (example Talk:MediaWiki)

with regards, --Polat Alemdar (talk) 17:29, 5 September 2012 (UTC)
 * That is Extension:LiquidThreads. Requests for installing it go on Bugzilla (Wikimedia > Site configuration). Krinkle (talk) 18:01, 5 September 2012 (UTC)

Regarding substitution of welcome template
Hi, Timo. I was substituting the template because welcome templates should always be substituted. However, since you objected, I will stop. Also, I can use my bot to unsubstitute the template (but I need to apply for a bot flag first so as not to flood recent changes). --Meno25 (talk) 13:06, 17 September 2012 (UTC)
 * That is a page on Wikipedia not MediaWiki.org. I don't know why the Welcome template on Wikipedia "always needs to be substituted", but I do know that the Welcome template we have here on MediaWiki.org doesn't. Krinkle (talk) 13:11, 17 September 2012 (UTC)

39268
Gday Krinkle. Wondering whether I can impose on you to have a look at 39268 which is having a large nuisance effect at the Wikisources. A change somewhere in 1.20wmf9 now prevents the use of toolbar formatting in the headers and footers, and instead applies all the formatting to the main body when in Page: ns. [//en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Page:The_Irish_in_Australia.djvu/99&action=edit eg.] Thanks if you are able to look at it, and more thanks if you are able to resolve it. — billinghurst  sDrewth  14:44, 3 October 2012 (UTC)
 * I've left a message on the bug report, I'll look further when I have more time/information. Meanwhile, perhaps we can trade. Could you vouch to have the (in my opinion, horrible) big red IP-warning greatly, greatly, reduced to a much less scary impression? Thanks, Krinkle (talk) 15:50, 3 October 2012 (UTC)

A quick poke
You got mail. Mlpearc ( powwow ) 16:33, 3 October 2012 (UTC)

Mediawiki:Common.js -> MediaWiki:Gadget-site.js
Hi Krinkle. I was attempting to fix the mediawiki:common.js file on a corporate wiki today, got frustrated, and decided to burn it down and start from scratch. When I came here to Mediawiki.org to grab their file as a starting point, I discovered that it was gone/moved to MediaWiki:Gadget-site.js (by you, obviously). All of my googling turned up no chatter at all about this restructuring and all of the documentation still mentions and links to the old file name, so I'm puzzled as to your reasons for doing this. Should I be moving the common.js files on all of my wikis? Etc. Thanks! ~Michael Chidester (talk) 20:28, 2 January 2013 (UTC)

Me too, could you please leave a brief explanation why MediaWiki:Common.css is now at MediaWiki:Gadget-site.css? Thx --Rogerhc (talk) 23:32, 9 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Please do not copy other wiki's local configuration as a starting point. Most (if not all) of (now at ) is specifically for the MediaWiki.org wiki. Everything that is needed for the starting point is stored on the server side in the skin and core modules, they are not stored in the local MediaWiki namespace. Your wiki should do just fine without anything in there.
 * If there is some specific template or interface feature on MediaWiki.org that you don't see on your own wiki that you'd like to copy, please figure out what it is and import it accordingly but don't blindly copy random stuff, it won't do you any good.
 * If/when you do import something, just import it to your (unless you have the Gadgets extension installed and know how to use it). Krinkle (talk) 13:28, 12 February 2013 (UTC)

Using collapsable remote toggle in a template
Hi, I was looking for a way to make Template:ApiEx collapse example output by default, but couldn't find a way so that the [expand] button is on the left side, possibly custom formatted. The remote toggle works ok, but since the template is used multiple times on the same page, it requires unique ID which I couldn't generate inside a template. Thanks! --Yurik (talk) 07:24, 10 January 2013 (UTC)

Backtalk
Hi. Thanks for the great feedback and I'll be working to fix things as quickly. In the nonce I responded on your "other" talk page.RiverStyx23 (talk) 23:54, 18 January 2013 (UTC)

Parallel uploads
Regarding API:Etiquette and 44584, are parallel uploads via the commons api permissible? Smallman12q (talk) 21:02, 2 February 2013 (UTC)
 * I don't know. I'd recommend asking in a central channel instead (Project:Support desk, IRC or wikitech-l). Krinkle (talk) 13:33, 12 February 2013 (UTC)

Open external links in new window
Hi Krinkle, I copied your snippet (mediawiki.org/wiki/Snippets/Open_external_links_in_new_window) to Arabic Wikinews because published articles have a template with social bookmarks which should preferably open in a new window. However, it only opens links to external sites in a new window in uneditable pages, such as page history or user contributions pages, but not in articles. I would prefer it to be the other way round :) Have I done anything wrong? Could you please check it? You will have to enable the option yourself because I do not know how to enable it by default (I believe it should be). It is in the last tab of your preferences at Arabic Wikinews, last item in middle group. Thank you. --PICAWN(talk) 18:30, 4 March 2013 (UTC)

Gadgets 3.0
Hi!

Would you mind fixing any mistakes I did when I documented what I think is in the scope of the (future) Gadgets 3.0? Helder 22:59, 11 March 2013 (UTC)

mwSnapshots dead?
Hi. The links to mwSnapshots at Nightlies don't seem to work for me lately. :-( --MZMcBride (talk) 21:40, 22 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Works for me. Does it work now? Perhaps Toolserver was down in general. Krinkle (talk) 05:26, 23 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Weird. I was getting a 404 yesterday and a few days ago. It's working now, though. Thanks for taking a look. --MZMcBride (talk) 16:10, 23 April 2013 (UTC)

Extension:MaintenanceShell

 * Moved to Extension talk:MaintenanceShell

replied on https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension_talk:MaintenanceShell#JavaScript_enabled_but_not_working
hi I have replied on https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension_talk:MaintenanceShell#JavaScript_enabled_but_not_working 86.171.33.224 21:07, 16 May 2013 (UTC)

Gadget-UTCLiveClock.js
Hi Krinkle,

I added a message about MediaWiki_talk:Gadget-UTCLiveClock.js, explaining that a fixed delay wont fix the problem.

--DavidL (talk) 13:50, 25 May 2013 (UTC)

Extension:Echo
hi when was Extension:Echo last updated because you edit it and said the latest master download requires mediawiki 1.22 81.129.84.113 09:56, 26 May 2013 (UTC)
 * I don't know. I do know that the current iteration of Echo requires 1.22. If you download Echo from the 1.20 or 1.21 branch you'll have the latest version from before 1.22 development started. Krinkle (talk) 09:57, 26 May 2013 (UTC)

Gadgets and CSS load order
I notice that CSS from gadgets through RL is loaded before CSS from MediaWiki:Common.css. This can create problems with specificality, as some gadgets are used to override CSS from Common.css, which requires hacks like !important;. Is there a way to force gadget CSS to be loaded after Common.css, ie. by listing Common.css (module name?) as a dependency? — Edokter  ( talk ) — 11:31, 26 May 2013 (UTC)

Extension:Echo
hi how can I install Extension:Echo I have managed to install it and it shows the grey circle with 0 on it next to user name but when I click it it goes to the special notification page how can I when I click on it it shows the ntofication flyout please the website is here 81.129.84.113 12:57, 26 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Please refer to Extension talk:Echo or BugZilla. I don't maintain this extension and am not the person to help you with this. Krinkle (talk) 20:07, 26 May 2013 (UTC)

I didn't know that Echo was dependent on mediawiki.ui version
I've tested Echo on the same versions of MediaWiki used by Wikipedia and MediaWiki.org, and I got the original version working on MW 1.20, so I assumed it's functionality was tied to the MW version release, but not exactly why.

I saw where you rejected my change, added the appropriate information, and cleared up my confusion.

Thank you.

Arcane21 (talk) 16:24, 26 May 2013 (UTC)Arcane21

MaintenceShell: populateSitesTable

 * Moved to Extension talk:MaintenanceShell
 * replied at Extension talk:MaintenanceShell 86.168.53.89 12:36, 28 May 2013 (UTC)


 * another reply at Extension talk:MaintenanceShell 86.168.53.89 14:27, 28 May 2013 (UTC)


 * replyed at Extension talk:MaintenanceShell 31.55.3.56 14:48, 28 May 2013 (UTC)
 * replyed at Extension talk:MaintenanceShell 5.66.151.92 14:56, 7 June 2013 (UTC)

Memory leak in
Hi there :) You seem to be the author and maintainer of the  code. Would you take a look at this bug report, please? Pecoes (talk) 10:47, 16 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks. Krinkle (talk) 17:17, 17 June 2013 (UTC)

TemplateData and the new WikiProject module
Hi Krinkle! Thanks for all your hard work on TemplateData and the Visual Editor - it looks like it will be awesome when it is finished. I discovered TemplateData the other day, and we have been talking about it in relation to a new WikiProject meta-module for the English Wikipedia. Eventually we want this module to replace w:en:Template:WPBannerMeta, which is transcluded on something like 4 million talk pages over there. (The template is too complex to make it a drop-in replacement, though - this is going to be a complete rewrite.) In particular, we have been wondering about how to deal with third-party tools that interact with WikiProject templates, such as Kephir's Rater.

TemplateData looks like an ideal solution for those kinds of tools as well, but at the moment it doesn't allow all the data fields that we need. For example, we would need a way to say that a parameter depends on having other parameters set, and a way to specify all possible values that a parameter can take. (It would be really neat to be able to generate a drop-down list of possible values, especially as those values can vary quite considerably between WikiProjects.) This process could be made quite easy if there were some default types for parameters, e.g. boolean, item in a pre-defined list, or freeform text. It would also be great to be able to group parameters together, so that it would be easy to see what parameters were for task force x, and what were for task force y, etc.

Are there any plans to make this kind of data parse-able by TemplateData? I assume this would also be useful for the Visual Editor, so I think this would be a big plus for the WMF as well. But I would be interested to hear your thoughts on this regardless, as TemplateData will have large implications for how this WikiProject meta-module will eventually work. Best regards — Mr. Stradivarius  ♪ talk ♪ 10:55, 20 June 2013 (UTC)

Main Page Design
Hello. Could you explain how to create main page like on MediaWiki.org, please? It would be great if you explain step by step. 84.204.22.130 09:44, 24 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Sorry, I can't. I didn't create it and it seems too complex to easily explain if you don't already know how to copy it. The only way (which is both easy to understand and also what an expert would have to do unfortunately) is recursively copy all the templates it uses (start on Main Page). You shouldn't have to reproduce the exact template structure because it is pretty much MediaWiki.org-specific. You'll have to learn how the HTML and CSS work and create your own version independently. Trying to copy the source will likely not do what you want, though you're welcome to try. Krinkle (talk) 21:44, 24 June 2013 (UTC)