Extension talk:Collection/LQT Archive 1

This is the talk page for the MediaWiki page about the Collection extension. It is not a support forum for problems with the extension itself or with the accompanying Python libraries mwlib and mwlib.rl. Please note that this is not rude behavior, this decision is just based on the fact that the discussion of software problems or architectural discussions is far too complex to take place on a single talk page.

There is a Google Group for support and discussion of mwlib, mwlib.rl and the Collection extension. There is also an issue tracker on code.pediapress.com.

Please use those for questions regarding the software and - do not use this talk page. However, if you have comments regarding the contents of the MediaWiki page associated with this talk page, you are welcome to drop your comments. He!ko 10:28, 3 July 2008 (UTC), Jbeigel 21:05, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

Bug in collection.body.php line 516
Sorry that I post this issue here (did't found a better place). But there is an anoying bug in Collection.body.php. In Line 516 you write

But this ist wrong, it should be


 * Thanks a lot! I've fixed the typo here. Jbeigel 09:56, 14 April 2009 (UTC)

Lowest supported version of MediaWiki?
Can someone add that please? I think it is a very nice to know... Siebrand 21:35, 4 November 2008 (UTC)
 * added Jbeigel 11:21, 10 November 2008 (UTC)

writers
could somebody please give a list of possible configuration for writers, now the only possibility to get it is to install mwlib, by now I just wanted to test it with the given server, but I don't know how to add the writers that are possible --DaSch 00:06, 9 November 2008 (UTC)
 * As you said, this depends on heavily on the used render server. I've made two changesets to the README of the extension with more explanations about the public render server and custom servers. Jbeigel 11:30, 10 November 2008 (UTC)

CurrentUsers Extension output doesn't render as pdf
This extension is great but it doesn't render sortable tables when converting to pdf Here is my site: http://whitehat.servehttp.com/mediawiki/index.php/Main_Page Well, at least it works way better than the PDF export extension does. I couldn't get that one to install. --Deo Favente 17:18, 17 January 2009 (UTC)
 * The problem is actually not related to sortable tables. There is some problem with the template . I added a ticket for that at http://code.pediapress.com/wiki/ticket/393 -- Volker.haas 10:56, 19 January 2009 (UTC)
 * My colleague looked into the issue - I guess we can't fix that. Sorry Volker.haas 11:25, 19 January 2009 (UTC)
 * What is the reason for this limitation? Also other extensions like and can't be rendered. On the other hand svg-graphics can (at least it worked on de.wikipedia.org). Ok, I know these are no extensions. matz 16:34, 25 February 2009 (UTC)
 * There is a thread about handling the graphviz extension on our mailinglist. There is still no solution, but maybe you'd like to participate: Graphviz Extension Discussion -- Volker.haas 10:32, 27 February 2009 (UTC)

$wgPDFServer Variable
The instructions say "Simply install and configure the Collection extension using the default value http://tools.pediapress.com/cgi-bin/pdf-server.py for $wgPDFServer (see README.txt of the Collection Extension for instructions)". However, I did not find any $wgPDFServer variable in any of the extension files and the README.txt is also silent about this variable. I checked both versions 1.12 and 1.14. Am I missing something? Thanks. -- ok 00:24, 25 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the heads-up: The documentation on this page was outdated, I've corrected it. Jbeigel 09:52, 25 March 2009 (UTC)

Don't see "Create a Book" portlet menu after extension is installed
I installed this extension in on my mediawiki. I am able to see the "PDF Version" option in my toolbox, and it works. But I can't see the "Create a Book" menu in the sidebar. Is there something additional I need to do to get this to show up? I couldn't find an explanation for it anywhere.

Thanks!

Whoops...never mind. I misread the version number for the skin modification. It must be made for all versions < 1.14. That's likely my issue.

Better explanation of "Collection" and "PDFWriter" proposal
--82.112.219.246 11:45, 10 April 2009 (UTC) if someone needs, as follows:

Tools overview
Extension:Collection is an extension allowing mediawiki users to manage custom collections of (mediawiki) wiki pages as "books".

Once you create a "Book", you can:
 * obviously edit, delete, save and share it with other wiki users
 * obtain the book printed on paper (through an online service)
 * convert it other formats, including xml, xhtml, odf and pdf


 * To create and manage Books, and print them through an online service you will need
 * to add the Collection extension into your MediaWiki install
 * to configure it through your LocalSettings.php file


 * To be able to convert Books to other formats you will need to
 * configure the Collection extension to reach a mwlib server
 * available formats, and performance issues are related to the mwlib server configured
 * if the server is remote to your MediaWiki install, performance will depend on your internet connection, too.
 * if you have little conversion needs, or if you just want to test, the Collection extension comes with a default server hosted by the extension author, see: PediaPress ToolServer.
 * if you need a faster or better solution, you can configure the Collection extension to use another mwlib server
 * you can setup your own mwlib server

Your own server
If you want to have your own mwlib server you will need:
 * a server machine
 * where the mwlib can be installed: there are many requirements and dependencies
 * where mwlib should be always running and available
 * the preferred server is a linux machine. A windows server is possible but there are issues (see mwlib-install)

The server is named mwlib This tool is a Python library for parsing MediaWiki articles. It is currently aimed at developers, who have a need to somehow handle MediaWiki articles. It parses one or more MediaWiki articles (wiki pages), and then allows you to convert them to other standard formats like:
 * mwxml, XML representation of the parse tree
 * xhtml, XHTML 1.0 Transitional
 * odf, OpenDocument Text
 * docbook

It possible to convert to PDF format, too, but it will need another tool: mwlib.rl This tool is a python library for writing pdf documents from mediawiki articles which were parsed by the mwlib library. It uses the Python Reportlab libraries to generate PDF based on a DOM derived from parsing mediawiki-markup using the mwlib parser.

The server can be run in two different ways:
 * launching mw-serve: this acts as a standalone server (reachable from the internet) and can use http protocol itself
 * you will not need a web server
 * you can set, protocol, port, interface. Default port is 8899.
 * through a cgi-bin, mw-serve.cgi

see also Examples

References PediaPress Open Source Repository, Wiki and Bug Tracking System mwlib  page mwlibrl page

Image Quality in PDF
Is there a possibility to set the imagequality for the pdf. I have some nice PDFs with really bad images.

Stable release?
Hello - when will this release become stable? --Robinson Weijman 10:20, 15 June 2009 (UTC)


 * I don't really know if we want to have something like a "stable release". While the extension is already deployed on several wikis including several language editions of Wikipedia (e.g. de.wikipedia.org, fr.wikipedia.org, ...), feedback from the community permanently flows back in the development process. We try not to break things in commits and we also try to be as backwards compatible with older MediaWikis as possible (although that's not always achievable, for example when saving collection pages by using the editing API etc.) Jbeigel 13:41, 15 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the prompt reply but I am confused by it. Does this mean that the release will remain permanently Beta?  Beta implies (to me) that the testing is not yet finished - am I to understand that you interpret it to mean "stable until we release another version"?  If so that's good enough for me!  =:-)  --Robinson Weijman 13:27, 17 June 2009 (UTC)


 * This is open-source software: the testing is never finished. (ESR has a few good lines about what 1.0 really means.) Remember, Gmail is still in beta too. :) —Emufarmers(T 02:18, 19 June 2009 (UTC)


 * =:-) True (about Gmail) but that's not Open Source.  And other MediaWiki Extensions are stable.  Furthermore, I thought this extension was from a company promoting book publishing?  --Robinson Weijman 09:13, 19 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Extension:Lucene-search is on version 2.1 and it's still marked as beta. Ultimately, it's the developer's choice; I'll leave it at that. —Emufarmers(T 09:00, 20 June 2009 (UTC)

Installation Documentation
Any chance of an idiot's guide installation manual? I've got the read me and I read "PHP with cURL support" (how do I know if I have that?) and "Install and Setup a Render Server" (a what, how?). The configuring of LocalSettings looks more straightforward, however. --Robinson Weijman 11:28, 19 June 2009 (UTC)


 * cURL will be mentioned in the output from phpinfo if you have support for it. If not, tell me what operating system your server runs and I'll point you toward an appropriate guide.  You don't need to set up a render server if your wiki doesn't get a lot of traffic. —Emufarmers(T 09:00, 20 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the info. So I don't need a render server even if our wiki contains confidential info?  (I don't want to send data to PediaPress.)  --Robinson Weijman 09:44, 22 June 2009 (UTC)


 * You'll need to set up the render server, then. —Emufarmers(T 02:00, 23 June 2009 (UTC)

The README.txt needs some updating. As of 1.15 (Maybe 1.14), it no longer appears to require the addition to the MonoBook.php file the portlet code snippet. I was wondering for about 3 days as to why I kept getting two blocks for "create a book". Paranormal Skeptic 15:14, 15 July 2009 (UTC)

Usage Restrictions?
Since this software is copyrighted by one company, are there any restrictions on its use e.g. by other companies? --Robinson Weijman 11:30, 19 June 2009 (UTC)
 * The software is licensed under the GPL. Other companies are free to reuse, modify, and redistribute the software in accordance with the terms of the license. —Emufarmers(T 09:00, 20 June 2009 (UTC)
 * OK, thanks! --Robinson Weijman 09:44, 22 June 2009 (UTC)

Substituting templates don't work
Was this feature removed, or is this a bug? See b:de:Benutzer:Prog/ Spielwiese and b:en:User:Prog/ Test site for samples. If this is a Bug, than report it please. --Prog 21:13, 25 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Same problem!--77.78.80.212 14:29, 28 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Book_tool, Format is now */Print --Prog 01:48, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

Layout not good for Wikisource
See : http://code.pediapress.com/wiki/ticket/645

Hi,

Why this extension is in use on Wisource without any consideration about the question of its configuration (general layout ; links to pages, etc.) for that project ?

First, the texte in the pdf is too small and the columns are a little bit too large for the eyes. Please consider that Wikisource is a project for readers : so it has to be easy readible and accessible for all people.

Second, concerning the french Wikisource : paragraphs have no « retrait », that is to say they haven't any marge in the first line. French usualy has this kind of marge.

Third, when we got a pdf from a page composed with others pages from this namespace we call "page", links to this pages appear in the text and their are inconvenient.

Thanks. Marc 12:02, 17 July 2009 (UTC)


 * I too find it disturbing that this extension has been installed at Wikisource without any concertation.
 * It creates a toolblx entitled "create a book", which is extremely confusing for wikisource users.
 * ThomasV 12:17, 17 July 2009 (UTC)

Copyvio on Wikisource : major failure
When I ask for a pdf file on a page composed with some others pages, the list of contributors in the end of the file could be false, because the extension creates this list from the history of the main page... So, if you have only made edits on the namespace "page", this extension will deny you all credits for your work. Even worse, a work could be attributed to contributors who have nothing to do with it. Marc 07:39, 20 July 2009 (UTC)