Manual talk:Interface/Sidebar

''Discuss the contents of Manual:Interface/Sidebar. Note this is not really a good place to ask support questions''. If you need help with editing the sidebar in your own project, please see Communication for places to ask.


 * /Archived discussion from meta/

Rename to 'Sidebar'
I propose we rename this page to 'Manual:Sidebar'. 'Sidebar' seems to be the name the developers have chosen for this part of the interface. By default it happens to have a section called 'navigation', but overall it's a sidebar right? -- Harry Wood 12:50, 25 July 2006 (UTC)


 * "Navigation bar" makes it easier to identify which elements are being edited, especially in the case of skins where the bar isn't on the side, or where other sets of links (user panel, footer panel) are also moved to one side or near the navigation bar. The title as it stands was selected for a reason. A redirect here from Manual:Sidebar would be helpful, of course. 86.133.212.163 14:42, 4 August 2006 (UTC)


 * OK so you might use a skin where the sidebar is not actually on the side. But you still edit it by editing the MediaWiki:Sidebar page. This is the name MediaWiki developers have given it. What about the case where your MediaWiki:Sidebar page doesn't have a 'navigation' heading? -- Harry Wood 14:35, 21 August 2006 (UTC)

In one particular location, we refer to allow_url_fopen as the "marching ant of doom", but it doesn't make it the canonical name. :) I still think that "navigation bar" overall makes more sense, to more people, regardless of their skin preferences. robchurch | talk 18:37, 21 August 2006 (UTC)

Unlocking the sidebar file?
For newbies/nonprogrammers like myself, it would be helpful to tell us how to unlock the Mediawiki:Sidebar page. I'm having a hard time finding it anywhere in the documentation. (Sarah Kanouse)--67.63.89.244 20:04, 6 July 2006 (UTC)


 * No need to do any programming Sarah. The page is 'protected' by default. You need to login as user with 'sysop' permissions to edit the sidebar. Look at 'special pages' -> 'user list'. See who is sysop. Ask them to do it. ...or is it your own wiki installation. In that case you need to log in as the WikiSysop user you configured when you installed it. When logged in as the right user, you can edit the page as normal -- Harry Wood 12:47, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

I found when I first installed MediaWiki on my server that I could not edit the MediaWiki:Sidebar. I tried everything I had found in articles here and elsewhere but to no avail. I then had a bright idea :), make a new user and give him sysop rights. I then logged in and was able to edit the MediaWiki:Sidebar with the new user. I am still not able to edit the MediaWiki:Sidebar with the original bureaucrat/sysop admin. (1.6.10) TonyE

Please, somebody help me! I just CAN'T modify my own wiki sidebar. I've tried everything, the default sysop user, another sysop user, the specialpages:allmessages in the sidebar part, i don't know what to do! It stills remain unchanged and I can not access it via the URL location yourwiki/here/MediaWiki:Sidebar... could somebody give me some advices? --Adr3000 15:53, 12 October 2007 (UTC)


 * @Adr3000 try yourwiki/here/index.php?title=MediaWiki:Sidebar&action=edit --Zbot_1 12:51, 29 February 2008 (UTC)


 * @TonyE Could you detail the steps followed to create the new user account, maybe I am not doing it right(?). --Zbot_1 12:54, 29 February 2008 (UTC)

Opposed to Adr3000, I *can* see the page, though I can't edit it. Version 1.6.10. I tried TonyE's solution above with no luck. I cannot edit MediaWiki:Sidebar with the original bureaucrat/sysop admin. Tried everything on the web for giving group permissions in LocalSettings.php. A little frustrating. --Zbot_1 12:55, 29 February 2008 (UTC)

I too am unable to edit the sidebar. This is my wiki, I am the admin, I have "sysop" rights. Yet there's no "edit" tab. If i do the ?action=edit manually, it says: You do not have permission to edit pages, for the following reason: This page has been locked to prevent editing What is going on? Note i'm using Auth_phpBB extension, would that interfere? Davecotter 05:28, 21 January 2009 (UTC)


 * @DP I am also having a problem getting changes to the sidebar to appear. So far I have tried Clearing the cache, touching the usersetting.php. truncating the objectcache table. I have also checked for sysop rights. I can edit the MediaWiki:SideBar but the changes never appear in the site. Any help would be appreciated.


 * That's probably because the page is called MediaWiki:Sidebar. —Emufarmers(T 11:48, 23 January 2009 (UTC)


 * @DP My page is spelled correctly as MediaWiki:Sidebar I can make any changes to the page without any errors but the page will not show up in the side bar no matter what I do. Is there some other configuration that must be set to enable the sidebar?


 * Make sure you're using the right skin. Some of them don't use the sidebar at all. Egingell 20:09, 23 January 2009 (UTC)

I too have navigation editing problems using the MonoBook default skin. At first no edit button was available, so I manually typed in the edit link, after doing this the edit button appeared. I have the rights to edit it now but no changes are shown. Deleting my cache and trying different browsers has no effect. I too am using the Auth_phpBB extension and judging by the amount of people reporting it here, I would put that as a possible cause.

I have the same problem with the sidebar and I am not using the Auth_phpBB extension. The problem resulted when I upgraded to 1.6.10. I'm using the Monobook skin.

When I place http://mywiki/index.php/MediaWiki:Sidebar in my browser, I am able to edit what looks like the navigation sidebar. But if I save this, all that's happened is for a new page to be created called 'MediaWiki:Sidebar' and absolutely nothing has changed to the navigation bar !! This is the most basic edit that anyone would want to do as soon as they've installed their Wiki - why is there no documentation about this ?

Skinning
how do you change the color of the text on the first-level headings?? example: on my wiki I want to change the words "navigation", "search" and "toolbox" to be all in white. --BenMcLean 21:19, 6 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Sorry I can't answer this question exactly, but I do know what you're asking is a skinning question, not something that can be done in wikitext. You'll have to mess around with the files of the 'skins' directory.--24.55.70.103 06:32, 8 July 2006 (UTC)


 * I created a new section at the bottom. We should add more detail about skinning w.r.t. the sidebar -- Harry Wood 12:47, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

No, leave that for the general skinning information, when that's written. 86.133.212.163 15:01, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

You don't have to change anything about the skins file, to change the name of navigation go to MediaWiki:Navigation, for search go to MediaWiki:Search, for toolbox go to MediaWiki:Toolbox.66.0.5.4 18:27, 22 August 2006 (UTC)


 * He wants to change their colour, not their wording. 86.134.49.147 10:45, 24 August 2006 (UTC)


 * So to actually answer the question...


 * have a look for the '#p-navigation a' CSS entry, and add a text 'color' definition like this:

display: block; color:YELLOW; }
 * 1) p-navigation a {
 * This will change the links ('a' elements) to be yellow


 * So I guess Manual:Skins is the place where this kind of thing should be explained? That page needs some work. In the meantime see also 'Skins' on meta -- Harry Wood 01:28, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

The answer to all this problem is to insert this code at the end of the main.css file of your skin: .portlet h5 { color: yellow; } To find this out I opened the page source of my wiki's Main Page and looked at what class the corresponding text belongs to. XApple 01:40, 15 July 2007 (UTC)
 * You don't need to edit any CSS files for this, just add the CSS to MediaWiki:Custom.css or MediaWiki:{skin name}.css

Problem changing the navigation/sidebar
After changing MediaWiki:Sidebar, the changes appear on the top http://www.holoprosencephaly.net/MediaWiki:Sidebar like links change "mainpage, community portal, etc... but i wan to add links at left side where is tool box links. how can i change left side links. can some one tell me.

After changing MediaWiki:Sidebar, the changes don't appear on the pages until I edit the pages. Is that the expected behavior?

And I can't figure out how to make the new navigation show up on the Main Page -- just editing that doesn't seem to be sufficient.


 * Nevermind. It seems there's just a delay as that change propagates. See also the discussion at Help:Navigation bar. I'm new enough that I don't know when to use the Manual vs. Help - but in this case the Help page seems more complete.

Bottom section of the rewritten version of |this page. 86.133.212.163 15:02, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

I'm having the same problem, and none of the suggested actions (touch, action=purge, etc) seems to have any effect. I am running 1.4.5. Does this work only on later versions of MediaWiki? --71.35.120.111 03:51, 22 August 2006 (UTC)


 * This documentation was written with current releases in mind. Take a look at these Google results for information on 1.4.x - and please upgrade to at least the latest 1.4.x release, which is 1.4.15; it contains a vast number of security and data corruption fixes. 86.134.49.147 10:42, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

Getting very much the same problem (with 1.6.8). If I go to MediaWiki:Sidebar and look at what's there vs. what's in the navigation bar, they are nothing alike. I've tried everything I can find anywhere to fix this, and it just doesn't work. --168.166.124.100 18:26, 5 October 2006 (UTC)


 * Just add &action=purge onto the end of the URL, and that will clear the cache for that page and show any skin changes you've made. 87.82.10.23 12:05, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

I'm having this issue with 1.7.1. If I change the sidebar page, I can see the changes there, but nowhere else in the wiki. I've tried trunacting the objectcache table, touching the LocalSettings.php file, clearing my browser's cache, closing and opening my browser, purging the page manually through the purge action to no avail! Why is it so hard to view the changes in the sidebar? (Enrique Delgado) 150.147.13.123 14:24, 23 October 2006 (UTC). Update: I found a workaround in this blog until we get a definitive solution. (Enrique Delgado) 150.147.13.123 14:08, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

Added a paragraph at the very end describing a another possible reason why changes to the sidebar might not show up in the live wiki. Since this failure mode was not covered in this article before, I think it is a valid addition. Hans Ecke 216.150.215.2 23:41, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

I have installed 1.9 and simply cannot change the sidebar. I tried everything, edited the content of MediaWiki:Sidebar, truncated, touched, reloaded, and so on... I have found that the actual navigation is defined in the languages/messages/MessagesEn.php file, beginning from line 446. I can only change the sidebar by changing the content of this file. What am I doing wrong, why isn't it working with the MediaWiki:Sidebar thing as described? --84.160.32.30 21:17, 28 January 2007 (UTC)

I just installed 9.3.1. Here is what I did to edit the sidebar: --AJim 00:12, 3 March 2007 (UTC)
 * log in as a sysop
 * go to Special pages | System messages
 * you will see a table with two columns
 * the left colum is headed Name
 * all messages are listed here, alphabetically by name
 * find the message sidebar in this list
 * the name sidebar in the left column is a link
 * there is a separate link below each name Talk
 * click on the sidebar link
 * you will see a new page labelled MediaWiki:Sidebar
 * press the Edit tab
 * you will see the list described elsewhere, i.e. *navigation etc.
 * edit this page as needed
 * save this page
 * the navigation list will change on your browser
 * The next time you enter the System messages list, the sidebar entry will have a different background color and the box to the right will be split horizontally into the original (default), above, and your revised version, below.

We found out that changes of the MediaWiki:Sidebar do not appear if $wgUseDatabaseMessages is set to false.

Two items on one line
Is there any way to link to two items on one line, for example, a blog and its RSS feed? I've tried separating the items with spaces, slashes, double-brackets, and more, but none of it works. AdamRetchless 17:18, 8 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Yeah that kind of thing might be impossible (without by passing the sidebar contents mechanism in the skin php code) Anyone know? -- Harry Wood 12:47, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

It will require improvements to the sidebar handling code...but the English Wikipedia are pondering something like this, so it might get implemented soon. Watch this space. ;) 86.134.49.147 10:45, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

Any progress on this since 2 years ago? ;) --Tekmosis 21:50, 29 August 2008 (UTC)

sidebar for anon
Is there a way to have a different sidebar for logged in users and anonymous users? --81.39.161.118 01:40, 12 August 2006 (UTC)


 * Not at this time, although it might not be too difficult to hack in. 86.134.49.147 10:45, 24 August 2006 (UTC)


 * You can probably do something similar to what I did to get different namespaces to have their own sidebars. In includes/Skin.php there is a function called buildSidebar.  Just edit that to check for $wgUser->isLoggedIn and called a different system message than Sidebar.




 * Then in your Wiki, go to MediaWiki:anon_sidebar and create your new sidebar.


 * You can change the content of the sidebar with this code and restrict the modifications to anonymous users. --WIKImaniac 22:27, 1 March 2008 (UTC)

This Mod sounds awesome, but on my wiki it does nothing... I added "global $wgUser;", then deleted the line "$lines = explode( "\n", wfMsgForContent( 'sidebar' ) );" and added the code in that position - no error, but the second sidebar is not seen (i created it as described in the manual) I´m using Mediawiki 1.11! Thanks for Help

Also broken in 1.12.0: "Fatal error: Call to a member function isLoggedIn on a non-object in /home/intspeib/public_html/mediawiki-1.12.0/includes/Skin.php on line 1626" Singalen


 * I got the same error with 1.12.0. But after adding global $wgUser it worked for me --62.245.235.214 14:24, 20 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Using the technique above...is there a way to get a different sidebar for different UserGroups. I tried using the technique i used in my Common.js where i:


 * but that doesnt seem to be working. Also tried using $wgUser->getEffectiveGroups but that evidently made a string of values and so i tried exploding it but not quite sure what the identifier should be (assumed '\n').  Any assistance would be grand
 * Goldbishop 05:48, 5 July 2009 (UTC)

Search Box and Toolbox
Is there any way to change what is shown in the search box and the toolbox?


 * Edit the skin. Note that the toolbox contains context-dependent items which change according to the properties of the page being viewed. 86.134.49.147 10:45, 24 August 2006 (UTC)
 * You can change the content if the toolbox with this code. --WIKImaniac 22:22, 1 March 2008 (UTC)
 * By editing Mediawiki:Monobook.css and adding the code below (MW 1.16.0). It does not display the searchbox (#p-search) and the contents of the toolbox (#t-...). --Sigbert 07:40, 6 August 2010 (UTC)


 * 1) p-search {display:none;}
 * 2) t-recentchangeslinked { display: none; }
 * 3) t-trackbacklink { display: none; }
 * 4) t-print { display: none; }
 * 5) t-permalink { display: none; }
 * 6) t-specialpages { display: none; }


 * Or to hide the whole toolbox #p-tb { display: none; }

Understanding the Indirection Used for the Sidebar
Am relatively new to all this but have already set up a handfull of wiki's!

It took me several reads and some experiments to understand that "indirection" is being used by the Sidebar. This when the example mentions:

Its going to go to look in system message for portal-url. This is the same as the page called MediaWiki:Portal-url. In the my (default) version, the page MediaWiki:Portal-url contains one line reading: Project:Community Portal. That then causes it to look for a page named "Community Portal" in my project. In my wiki, that page did not initially exist - but it is an editable page - so people can contribute to that page.

So - whatever is on the first line of that MediaWiki:Portal-url page will be the actual page that is opened - its one level of indirection!

That had me totally confused for a while!!

I thought I'd share that in case others are suffering from the same confusion. --Wodenickel 02:34, 29 August 2006 (UTC)


 * Thanks a lot, man! I had no clue where to find the place to edit this "portal-url" thing, and your hint helped me! :) Capmo 05:01, 11 September 2008 (UTC)

Context-dependent navigation bar
Is there a way to get a navigation bar that contains context-dependent items which change according to the namespace of the page being viewed? --82.83.151.177 19:09, 29 August 2006 (UTC)


 * A quick change to includes/Skin.php will get you want you need. The code below will keep Sidebar for all system namespaces and allow you to create new ones for custome namespaces.


 * Replace

global $wgLang, $wgContLang;
 * with

global $wgLang, $wgContLang, $wgTitle;
 * and then replace

$lines = explode( "\n", wfMsgForContent( 'sidebar' ) );
 * with

$NameSpaceNumber = $wgTitle->getNamespace; if ($NameSpaceNumber < 100) { $lines = explode( "\n", wfMsgForContent( 'sidebar' ) ); } else { if($NameSpaceNumber & 1) { $NameSpaceNumber -= 1; } $lines = explode( "\n", wfMsgForContent( 'sidebar_'.$NameSpaceNumber ) ); }

&lt;Egingell&gt;
 * with (alternate 1)

// Change the default sidebar to a custom one (MediaWiki:Sidebar_[NS_NUM] if it exists) on any namespace, // not just custom namespaces. If MediaWiki:Sidebar_[NS_NUM] doesn't exists, use MediaWiki:Sidebar. $sideBar_str = wfMsgForContent( 'sidebar_'.$NameSpaceNumber ); if ($sideBar_str != '&amp;lt;sidebar_'.$NameSpaceNumber . '&amp;gt;' ) { $lines = explode( "\n", $sideBar_str ); } else { $lines = explode( "\n", wfMsgForContent( 'sidebar' ) ); }
 * with (alternate 2)

// Change the default sidebar to include a custom one (MediaWiki:Sidebar_[NS_NUM] if it exists) // on any namespace, not just custom namespaces. $sideBar_str_default = wfMsgForContent( 'sidebar' ); $sideBar_str_custom = wfMsgForContent( 'sidebar_'.$NameSpaceNumber ); if ($sideBar_str_custom != '&amp;lt;sidebar_'.$NameSpaceNumber.'&amp;gt;' ) { $sideBar_str_default .= "\n". $sideBar_str_custom; } // Remove dupes. See array_unique $lines = array_unique(explode( "\n", $sideBar_str_default ));

In my two alternates above: MediaWiki:Sidebar => Default Sidebar MediaWiki:Sidebar_[NS_NUM] => Custom Sidebar for [NS_NUM]

Note: You can get the namespace number from Special:Prefixindex. Look at the URL in the Location/Address bar of your web browser, it will look like this: [Your Wiki Site]/index.php?title=Special%3APrefixindex&from=&namespace=[NS_NUM] &lt;/Egingell 08:23, 20 April 2007 (UTC)&gt;


 * You can then access the new sidebar inside your wiki by going to the page MediaWiki:Sidebar_[NS_NUM] (i.e. MediaWiki:Sidebar_100 for the first custom namespace)


 * Yup, you'd have to code it yourself at the moment. I imagine in Output.php. There's a call you can do to find out what namespace your in, then have a

switch(namespace) case 01: //load x case 02: //loady


 * etc This is a crappy explanation if you can't code, but at the moment thats the only way you'll get it I beleive!! --Rick 15:35, 19 October 2006 (UTC)


 * Here's an idea - I reckon you could probably customise the navigation using CSS. The body tag has a class "ns-x" where x is the number of the namespace.  Also, each portlet (box in the sidebar) has it's own ID, which is "p-header" where "header" is the text that sits above the box.  So you can setup your sidebar code (at MediaWiki:sidebar) like this:

* box1 ** item1|label1 ** item2|label2 * box2 ** item3|label3 ** item4|label4 etc.
 * You could then add some css to MediaWiki:common.css to show/hide content for individual namespaces. So to show only box1 in the main namespace, and only box 2 in all other namespaces, you would use:

.ns-0 #p-box2 { display: none;  /* Hide box2 in the main namespace */ }   display: none;   /* Stop display of box1 in all namespaces */ .ns-0 #p-box1 { display: block; /* Re-enable the display of box1 for just the main namespace. */ }
 * 1) p-box1 {
 * I haven't tested the above, so it may not work on all browsers (or even at all!) but it's worth testing out, I think. Let me know how you get on. --HappyDog 15:48, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

MediaWiki:Sidebar - 'no Page matches'?
When I enter 'MediaWiki:Sidebar' in the search-field and hit 'go' as specified in the FAQ, I just get the search results page that tells me that the page doesn't exist. I get no option of creating or editing the page. If I enter MediaWiki:Sidebar after the URL in the address-field in my browser when looking at the mainpage, I do get the option of creating and editing the page, but changes do not show up in the navigation bar (and I cannot edit the current content of the bar..)

Am I missing something?

annon - 22:56, 1 September 2006


 * this old version should answer your question. Someone got rid of all that explaination because it wasn't compact enough -- Harry Wood 20:32, 7 September 2006 (UTC)


 * oh bugger.. I'm running version 1.4.15 or something.. just did an apt-get mediawiki, without checking which version that installed.. thanks for the pointer though. Installing a much newer version now :)

Sidebar: a disappearing trick
(posted monday, 6 nov 2006) My sidebar has 'disappeared' upon changing. I have scoured the help pages and tried several things including those suggested in this page such as:
 * the suggestion above to locate the sidebar "MediaWiki:Sidebar - 'no Page matches'?" - that worked, and I located and edited it; after several restarts and purging caches that sidebar simply did not show up.
 * Make sure you do not have an ill formatted MediaWiki:Sidebar page. If it is formatted incorrectly it will disappear. --Rogerhc 23:40, 21 February 2007 (UTC)


 * found a suggestion for 'touching' localsettings.php (to force a refresh), which I tried, and something did show up. I could see a navigation bar, but it showed the text 'Sidebar' in angled brackets instead of showing the contents of the file.
 * so, I tried to add a new navigation block as the post above suggests "adding additional navigation blocks" - created another menu as a separate page and edited monobook.php. Again, I can see a navigation bar, but it shows the text 'AnotherMenu' in angled brackets instead of showing the contents of the file.
 * Based on the post about redirection, tried to explicitly point to the file by changing the reference to 'AnotherMenu' in monobook.php to 'MediaWiki:AnotherMenu' and now that text shows up in angled brackets

So far, about five hours pouring over all manners of suggestions and tutorials on the web has not yielded a solution. Thanks in advance for your help. I realize that this is not a great addition to this page but I hope that this will lead us to a simple answer regarding navigation bars that I will compile and post to the Manual. From what I can see, I seem to be using MediaWiki 1.8.2 (on a MediaWiki hosting service for a little less than a week).

Format of sidebar code
This manual page says that you can write  on it. Although you can this causes a validation error as they also make the id's of the li's. Every entry should be configured using  style code, they can then be edited at MediaWIki:recentchanges-url and MediaWiki:recentchanges (this will obviously change depending on what you put as the link. Lcarsdata (Talk) 16:34, 8 October 2006 (UTC)


 * This is a known and still-open bug; the values need to be sanitised before use as identifiers in that fashion, rather than removing heavily-used and helpful functionality. robchurch | talk 04:53, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

History moved from meta
In order to comply with the GFDL, I have copied the old history of this page from meta. This page was created from the version as of 19th November 2005. Between November 2005 and June 2006 both versions of the page were edited independently - the changes made at meta have not been incorporated into this version of the article (although they exist in the history which may cause some confusion if stepping through it manually). Go here To see the original history on meta.

I also copied the talk page history. The old discussion from meta is now merged with the discussion page history here, and the final version from meta is available on the /Archived discussion from meta/ sub-page. --HappyDog 19:05, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

Images?
Is there a way to toss some images into the wiki sidebar? Like, if I want to make an image for where the word "navigation" is, how would I go about it? I can try just, you know, normally embedding an image, and it works when I preview the article, but when I save it, it'll just ignore displaying the image. Or is there just a limitation in height/width that I don't know of and am not following? --216.170.23.236 01:34, 11 December 2006 (UTC)
 * You might be able to do it using CSS. --HappyDog 02:24, 11 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Um... Just making sure I understand where you're going with this... Are you suggesting I put the image in the template that I'm using, and then use the CSS position attribute to put the image where I want it? I mean, I think I can see how that can work, but it just kind of seems weird to do something like that... Is there a reason why the text "navigation", "resources", etc text isn't and can't be parsed like an article?  --68.112.32.182 04:53, 17 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Providing you've set up your sidebar correctly, then you should be able to add something like this to MediaWiki:common.css

background-image: url(...); background-position: top left; background-repeat: no-repeat; padding-left: 20px; }
 * 1) n-recentchanges {
 * This would add an image to the left of the recent changes link. Set padding-left to the width of your image.  You can also do funky things like hide the bullet point, I should imagine.  Take a look at the html source and you will see the IDs for each of the links, or alternatively you can use the id of the containing div, or even the 'pBody' class to affect the whole box, or all boxes. Hope that helps - it's from memory so some of the details might be wrong, but that should give you enough to go on. --HappyDog 19:26, 18 December 2006 (UTC)
 * That appears to work JUST EXCELLENT for me (and, ignore the IP Addresses, I'm the same guy that started this, just that I've switched locations since then). Thanks!  Google yourself a cookie and eat it!  :D--66.168.139.30 08:44, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

Thanks! It tasted great, but then I logged off and my browser deleted it. A great way to stay thin! :) --HappyDog 23:56, 7 January 2007 (UTC)


 * Very nice that it is supposed to work. But when I make the changes to MediaWiki:common.css nothing is happening. No changes.. I work with monobook. Any ideas? And does the formatting of the common.css make any difference? --ArminT 13:59, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

Cannot edit navigation bar
I have just downloaded and installed the latest version of MediaWiki 1.9.0 When I enter "MediaWiki:Sidebar" into the "search" box nothing is found.

When I go via "All pages" I find MediaWiki:Sidebar/en. I can edit this page, but my modifications are never reflected in the navigation / side bar.
 * This is because system messages are no longer stored in the wiki if unmodified. Simply create that page manually. Lcarsdata (Talk) 10:50, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

MediaWiki:Sidebar/en is ignored, edit MediaWiki:Sidebar instead, see .--Patrick 22:12, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

Adding Web Links
I would like to add external links to the sidebar, but I don't seem to know the trick. Does anyone know how to add eternal links to the sidebar? Thanks

I have had a similar problem. I want to add a link to an RSS Feed. I'm using * http://(mydomain)/w/index.php?title=Special:Newpages&feed=rss|New items but it keeps putting the link in the box as "INVALID-TITLE". I've tried changing the title, changing names, etc. Using 1.9. JustinLong 03:14, 18 February 2007 (UTC)


 * It appears to be choking on the ampersand. Escaping it as "&amp;amp;" doesn't work because there's still an ampersand present, and escaping it as "%26" doesn't work because that gets passed all the way through into the title of the page. I don't know what to do about it. I'm trying to get a wiki edit ("...&action=edit") link into the navigation bar and I'm running into the same problem. --Midorigin 02:01, 2 March 2007 (UTC)


 * I expanded the text:


 * Else, target itself is taken as link target (this does not work for some external links, notably those with "&" in it; use the first method instead: make a page in the MediaWiki namespace)


 * Patrick 08:17, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

You *can* choose one of the system messages (Special:Allmessages) and edit it to reflect your url. Example: portal-url ---> www.your.url


 * Changing portal-url works just fine BUT... just putting "** | " doesn't, as I read above text it should! it's not just the ampersand it's the complete method of putting external links in the navigation page that gives a hickup. And than it just opens in the same browser screen (after renaming portal-url to the desired url). Is there a way to open into a new browser tab of window? ArminT 19:19, 19 May 2007 (UTC)
 * On addition to my own idiot mind... You will have to format just correctly, so no spaces in front off or behind the "|" in the syntax and it just works like a charm.. (Blame me :)) ArminT 19:19, 19 May 2007 (UTC)

EAS


 * You can also make you're own and add that to the list. Lcarsdata (Talk) 10:50, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

parameters to sidebar entries?
I'm still unsure how to properly work around this - the docs for this alternate xxx-url reference escape me. I merely want to add a link in the nav bar that shows recent changed by anonymous users. For example ** recentchanges-url|recentchanges but with the added parameter &hideliu=1 but this doesn't work: ** recentchanges-url&hideliu=1|anon edits

What to do??
 * Go to MediaWiki:recentchanges-url-anon and create a new article with this as the only content:

/index.php?title=Special:Recentchanges&hideliu=1
 * and this in the sidebar:

** recentchanges-url-anon|anon edits

linking to category?
I'm trying to modify the sidebar so that a few links will link directly to the category page they reference, but so far everything i've tried has not worked. some help on this would be great.

nevermind, found it on another site. use the format "Category:Proverbs|Proverbs"


 * Don't - that is invalid usage and will generate bad xml. use transclusion like you're supposed to and put :Category:Proverbs in the link page. Lcarsdata (Talk) 10:49, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

Treeview
Is it possible to create more than one item level in the navigation bar?

e.g.:
 * Mainpage
 * MediaWiki-Portal
 * Users
 * Peter
 * Thomas
 * Events
 * Forum


 * See 3597 which has an ugly hack to do this. --D0li0 23:03, 15 May 2007 (UTC)

Adding link targets
any way to add a target attribute to a link, so that it opens in a new window? Dingfelder 21:15, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

Images in the navigation bar
To make a link in the navigation bar just use this syntax:

** mainpage|mainpage

If you want a link to a internal or external page there is nog problem. But I want a picture as background in the navigation bar. A picture per link.

For example: if you don't want regular text in the navbar. But an clickable image/picture.

** http://www.example.org| (or any other syntax that should work).

I can not find any possibilities within meta, mediawiki of wikipedia help pages. Is this at all possible? Or just a nice (as I see it) feature to have? ArminT 13:40, 25 May 2007 (UTC)

Circumvent the '&' Bug

 * You can circumvent the ampersand bug by (example):
 * Create a new page in the MediaWiki namespace (such as MediaWiki:MW_Google_Search)
 * Add a URL to said page (such as http://www.google.com/search?q=MediaWiki&num=10 )
 * Add the page's sub title to MediaWiki:Sidebar like so:

** MW_Google_Search|Google: MediaWiki
 * Functioning Example


 * This also allows for some dynamics:
 * Special:Export/ in MediaWiki:Export_This, for example, and "** Export_This|Export Article" in MediaWiki:Sidebar would generate a link to Special:Export/Some Page with text "Export Article" in the sidebar when navigating to Some Page.
 * Note: Seems that if you make a link to an internal page, such as "MediaWiki:Sidebar&action=edit", the link will try to create a new page, in this case a page named "MediaWiki:Sidebar%26action%3Dedit".
 * For this, you need to put the full URL into the page in the MediaWiki namespace as if it were an external link.

(Updated) Egingell 16:04, 23 July 2007 (UTC)

The above example does not work... unless the problem is, there is no documentation on what is meant by "put the full URL into the page in the MediaWiki namespace" - if this means putting the URL in the edit area, it still does not work. It merely shows the MediaWiki page and does no redirect. Please advise. --Pile 19:48, 17 August 2007 (UTC)


 * I don't know what you find confusing about "put the full URL into the page in the MediaWiki namespace". Seems to me that means exactly what it says. Go to MediaWiki:Some Page, plop a URL in there, and click "Save page". I have no problem with this on my Wiki. Show me (link) where it doesn't work.


 * What versions does this trick work on? The live example seems to be missing or doesn't align with the google search example above.

Separated Menus Not Visible with Cologne Blue
Anyone got some suggestions on why it doesn't work to have separate menus, like we have here on MediaWiki (site, download etc) with the skin Cologne Blue? --Dr DBW 00:44, 5 June 2007 (UTC)


 * Have also asked on the meta pages for this skin, . --Dr DBW 00:47, 5 June 2007 (UTC)


 * See 2557. --HappyDog 01:11, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

How to add sub-pages of "special:nnnpages" to navigation bar?
Peter Blaise says: I can add special:allpages to the navigation menu, but I can't add any of the sub-pages that any user can select from within special:allpages, such as all talk pages and so on. It seems that special:allpages brings all pages only in the namespece = 0, but if I want to just see talk pages, and that's namespace = 1, how would I add a link to that in the navigation menu?

I tried many iterations of the following:

With a space on either side of the | (pipe character)
 * http://our-wiki-url/mediawiki/index.php?title=Special%3AAllpages&from=&namespace=1 | Discussion/talk index

Without space at the | (pipe character)
 * http://our-wiki-url/mediawiki/index.php?title=Special%3AAllpages&from=&namespace=1|Discussion/talk index

With single [ ] (single brackets)
 * | Discussion/talk index

With double   (double brackets)
 * [| Discussion/talk index]

With internal abbreviation:
 * Special:Allpages&from=&namespace=1

... and so on, for many more tries and iterations, and all it results in is either NOT showing up in the navigation menu, or showing up but linking to


 * http://our-wiki-url/mediawiki/index.php/ INVALID-TITLE

Argh! HELP! How can I permit a visitor to see all talk pages in one step?

I want it to look like this, AND work:


 * navigation
 * Main Page
 * Community portal
 * Current events
 * Recent changes
 * Random page
 * Help
 * Tell us what you think
 * Article index
 * Discussion/talk index

All links in the navigation menu above work EXCEPT the "Discussion/talk index" link which just brings up


 * http://our-wiki-url/mediawiki/index.php/ INVALID-TITLE

Thanks! -- Peter Blaise peterblaise 19:59, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
 * See my section Circumvent the '&' Bug (above)

Egingell's suggestion does not appear to work.. Maybe it only worked with an older version of Wiki?

Do we have a solution to this problem?? --Pile 19:51, 17 August 2007 (UTC)

This is the official method. I've just explained it a little better. As stated above, show me where it doesn't work.

Use reserved names for sidebar
I finally was able to add links to my sidebar. Simply use 'reserved' (I can't find the correct nomenclature here) word to add the link.

For example, copy and paste "** helppage|help" twice in the sidebar page, and refresh your browser / purge / wait. You should see the added link to the sidebar. Hope it helps!

Personal sidebar extension (JavaScript)
If anybody is interested, I have made a JavaScript extension to customize the sidebar by placing file with an extended format of MediaWiki:Sidebar at User:xxx/MediaWiki:Sidebar. You can use standard entry names which will be looked up in the MediaWiki namespace, including localisation. You can also use quoted entry names which will be put straight into the nav bar without looking them up. You can also use in any URL. It does not support defining multiple portals at this time.

Source: http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/User:Hippietrail/personalsidebar.js

Sample sidebar def: http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/User:Hippietrail/MediaWiki:Sidebar

&mdash; Hippietrail 02:42, 3 August 2007 (UTC)

Skins

 * I feel that it should be noted that not all skins handle the sidebar the same way.
 * Some only show the first section.
 * Some don't use the sidebar at all.
 * Prepackaged Skins
 * Chick
 * Shows the whole sidebar
 * Classic
 * Only shows the first section
 * Cologne Blue
 * Only shows the first section
 * MonoBook
 * Shows the whole sidebar
 * MySkin
 * Shows the whole sidebar
 * Nostalgia
 * Does not show the sidebar
 * Simple
 * Shows the whole sidebar


 * This is already mentioned in the article, except for the fact that Nostalgia doesn't show the sidebar at all. Feel free to edit the page. — Pathoschild 06:01:27, 03 August 2007 (UTC)
 * I created a new bug for the Nostalgia skin and added it and the skin to the article.

toolbox
How can i hide the toolbox for anonymous users or restrict access? Using MW 1.11.0 and gumax skin. I don't want for anon users to see/have access to SpecialPages. --89.212.65.33 12:39, 23 October 2007 (UTC)
 * There's an extension, which uses the userCan hook, you can use to block access to any page in the Special sudo-namespace. As for not showing it in the toolbox, you might have to hack something into Gumax.php in the skins directory. --
 * Restrict access to all specialpages with Extension:Lockdown.
 * Remove unwanted links from sidebar and toolbox with this code. You can also restrict this removal to unregistered users.
 * --WIKImaniac 22:15, 1 March 2008 (UTC)

How do I hide the sidebar for unregistered users?
Is there a way to hide the sidebar for unregistered users please? My wiki is setup with read permissions for registered users, and I do not want to display the sidebar to UNregistered users, only to egistered users. So when a unregistered user goes to the wiki it get's redirected to the loginpage as normal, but does not see the sidebar. Or even a custom free-layout loginpage. Thanks Hfwang
 * Hello Hfwang, with this code you can remove links from the sidebar and the toolbox, and you can also restrict this removal to unregistered users. --WIKImaniac 22:12, 1 March 2008 (UTC)

Limit on Sidebar Boxes
I have been trying for ever to get more than 3 sidebar boxes. I can't figure it out nor can I find anything on this site related to the issue. I add more than 3 boxes and only 3 boxes show up. Any help would be much appreciated.

Thanks Steve
 * You realize that the format for the sidebar is '*'-main topic (ie. navigation, information, toolbox) and then the '**'- sub-topic. In effect the '*' is the creation of the box and then fills the box with all the '**' that come afterwards until it meets another '*'.  Goldbishop 06:01, 5 July 2009 (UTC)

adding interwiki links to the sidebar
This may not actually be a sidebar issue at all but we recently upgraded to 1.11 and in doing so we lost all of our interwiki links from the sidebar. The interwiki links themselves still work so the interwiki table was left intact. The issue is with their inclusion in the sidebar, like languages on wikimedia sites. I am baffled. I have a suspicion that this is not in the sidebar file but where is it. --Metal.lunchbox 00:26, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

JavaScript links
Is it possible to call a JavaScript function from the sidebar (eg. ** javascript:toggleMe;|Toggle)? I've tried all sorts of things, but nothing's worked. I'd like to do the monobook hack, but I'm using somebody else's server for the wiki, and don't think I can access monobook.php. 213.115.24.238 09:52, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

Intranet Link in Sidebar
Hello

I want to put an intranet link in the sidebar. e.g. ** \\\home\|Homeshare (would be the nicest way...) Is there any chance to do this?

Thanks for your help

Placing the search box at the top
Is there any way to ensure that the search box is placed above the other items on the sidebar ? thanks 134.148.5.118 03:20, 25 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Should be able to do that by editing monobook.php -- Harry Wood 10:20, 27 June 2008 (UTC)

There is no need at all to edit MonoBook.php for that! Just edit "MediaWiki:Sidebar" as you would normally to customize it, and use the reserved words SEARCH / TOOLBOX / LANGUAGES (in all caps!) to change their relative positions in relation to the navigation box: * SEARCH * TOOLBOX * LANGUAGES * navigation ** foo-url|foo ** bar-url|bar In the example above, the Search box will be placed on top, then comes the Toolbox, then the Language box (if available) and, at the bottom, the Navigation box. Capmo 00:05, 2 December 2008 (UTC)
 * I have tried this on my new MediaWiki 1.14 install. When I add the reserved word SEARCH as a bullet point in the position I want it (right below the main navigation box), it just adds a new box labeled "search" with no contents and leaves the normal search box at the bottom, right above the toolbox. Do you have any suggestions?  --67.188.252.135 05:55, 18 May 2009 (UTC)

Yes, on my mediawiki project too it is impossible to move the search box by reordering the contents of the mediawiki:sidebar page. Is this a feature that was added recently? RedJ 17 01:52, 3 September 2009 (UTC)

Sidebar width (monobook specific)
if I do what you write, sidebar with is ok, but main page width don't change ! It's not very pretty... How change main page width ?

Referring to the current page in the sidebar
Is there a way to call a Template and refer to the current page in the sidebar? For example, is it possible to create a sidebar entry something like this.

|Google search for

When I try it on our local installation, I get an INVALID-TITLE reference. Thanks. -- Russ Abbott 06:11, 16 August 2008 (UTC)

disable: link text name of interface message?
Hi folks,

I use German as default language, but I have some Englisch linktext (not to mediwii sites) line 'Statistics'. Mediwiki 'translates' these automatically to German (Statsistik). (If the link text is the name of an existing or default interface message...) can i disable this? merci &

Modifying the toolbox (the one generated by php, not the sidebar)
I have been looking at the php used to generate the toolbox and while some of it is rather straightforward it seems to jump from file to file which makes it more difficult to track.

I am trying to modify the toolbox so that when a user follows a link to a user page the links to my preferences, my watchlist and my contributions show up so I can remove these links from across the top of the page and just leave the one that shows the currently logged in username.

Has anyone seen any pages that talk you thru updating the toolbox that you could send me the links to so i could try to figure out how to do this?

Kay

Sidebar width (CSS) works with Firefox / Opera but not Internet Explorer
The instructions to increase the sidebar's width works fine in Firefox & Opera but in Internet Explorer 6 (don't have 7 to verify) the sidebar overlaps the main content page (seems the main content page still sees sidebar as 120px). Could someone offer tips on a I.E. fix for this problem?
 * You may need to modify the IE fixes in ./skins/monobook (see this thread for more details).

Can Not Edit Side Bar No Matter What (SOLVED)
I've googled. I've searched high and low. I've looked in the forums, I've looked everywhere. In all these places I see people who have the exact same problem as I do, and nobody has offered a solution that actually works.

I am the sysop, I own the wiki. But there is no edit tab on the Sidebar page. http://kjams.com/screenshots/no_edit_sidebar.png I had been using phpbb authentication, but i removed it in case it was interfering. It's not. And yes I tried ?action=edit, to no avail. Why am i able to delete a page (an obviously sysop priv) but I can't edit it??!?

Can someone PLEASE tell me why there is no edit tab? Or, better, tell me how to grant myself or a specific user permission to edit the gol durn Sidebar!! Davecotter 01:12, 24 January 2009 (UTC)

Update: I solved this by deleting the page and re-creating it. Now i have edit privs again. Davecotter 21:47, 25 January 2009 (UTC)

Yet another "Can't edit."
I've tried it all. My suspicion is that the NameSpace extension has done something evil to my database. We're in the process of getting rid of the extension, but I've also tried editing without the extension with no luck. Check it out here. Note that the Search Box is not appearing in the correct location. I've also tried other minor edits, touching LocalSettings.php, truncating the objectcache, flushing xcache, restarting, and all of the above to no avail. Please help!


 * Configure your extensions properly or remove them. —Emufarmers(T 20:51, 12 February 2009 (UTC)


 * Removing the extensions has no effect on the problem.--Pashdown 21:39, 12 February 2009 (UTC)

Omit Sidebar from Single Page
I want to omit the sidebar from some specific pages - is there a command that will allow this action? --Johnyqd 20:46, 3 April 2009 (UTC)


 * Me Too!!! 195.75.83.25
 * Well why would you want to remove the sidebar from specific pages. That would lead the user to a dead end page. Goldbishop 06:02, 5 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Is that not what "Printable version" is for??

about setAttribute('href', link);
I use that with firefox.

in the example we have this :

function CustomizeModificationsOfSidebar { //adds Special:CategoryTree to toolbox ModifySidebar("add", "toolbox", "CategoryTree", "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:CategoryTree"); //removes Special:Upload from toolbox ModifySidebar("remove", "toolbox", "Upload file", "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Upload"); }

But to have a static link : like http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki, is not very interressing.

So I prupose this :

function CustomizeModificationsOfSidebar { //adds Special:CategoryTree to toolbox ModifySidebar("add", "toolbox", "CategoryTree", "./Special:CategoryTree"); //removes Special:Upload from toolbox ModifySidebar("remove", "toolbox", "Upload file", "./Special:Upload"); }

I have 2 domain name for the wiki, and It's work well.

NicoFranComtois

Font
Is it possible to change the fonts on the sidebar? Sachein 14:24, 31 May 2009 (UTC)
 * .portlet .pBody {font-family:"font name here"}. Be sure to have a fallback to a web safe font so the user's browser doesn't choose one randomly. Splarka 07:16, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

Language translation
I have customized my sidebar on my personal wiki with additional links. However if the user uses another default language, everything on the sidebar will be translated to the user's preferred language except for the customized links I've added. Where do I exactly add translation for those links? In my case I'm trying to add translation in Korean, I tried making a Sidebar/ko page but that didn't work. Help please
 * See Manual:$wgForceUIMsgAsContentMsg. You have to specify the messages to be forced into translation. Splarka 07:38, 7 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your reply. However there are no examples at all on that page. It would be nice if someone added them since Mediawiki is the main source for people who need to look into tweaking their wiki. --Bluesoju 01:52, 17 June 2009 (UTC)
 * I see an example on that page. Don't you? If you add a message to that array, like 'mainpage', then places where it is not forced to translate, such as the logo link or sidebar links (as opposed to text messages that are), then it will be translated. Splarka 07:33, 17 June 2009 (UTC)
 * It's not a useful example if I don't know what page or what file to put it in. The documentation is hardly thorough for someone who's never done it.--Bluesoju 08:17, 18 June 2009 (UTC)

How to remove * SEARCH?
Hi, is where any way to remove the search box from the sidebar? As I deleted the above entry on MediaWiki:Sidebar, it reappears automatically as the last item at the bottom of the sidebar, just after the TOOLBOX. Since I inserted the search box on the main page by using the extension InputBox, SEARCH is not longer required on the sidebar. Thanks a lot for your help. Cheers --Marbot 23:06, 18 June 2009 (UTC)


 * No there isn't. You can just hide it with CSS though (like in MediaWiki:Monobook.css: #p-search {display:none;}. Splarka 01:51, 19 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Hello Splarka, sometimes solutions are quite easy if you know about them. :-) Thank you very much for your answer and help. I very much appreciate it. Keep up the good work here! Best regards --Marbot 23:25, 19 June 2009 (UTC)

How to add link sidebar toolbox ( Upload file-->Wikipedia:Upload)
How to add link sidebar toolbox ( Upload file-->Wikipedia:Upload)

Dear All I am from Bengali Wikipedia ans I am admin there. I want to create same approach to our wiki as English wiki sidebar Toolbox section Upload file link to Upload. How do you create that? Please explain. If any kind of change to be done in any MediaWiki page, please secify me. I want to create for only registar user can see the Upload file. Thanks in advance.- Jayantanth 18:53, 26 June 2009 (UTC)
 * You need to set the upload image to true in localsettings.php. By default, when you first install the mediawiki program, it is turned off, (false).

$wgEnableUploads      = true;
 * 1) To enable image uploads, make sure the 'images' directory
 * 2) is writable, then set this to true:
 * refresh your mediawiki and you should immediatly be able to upload images.
 * For the future, I find I get better answers faster if I post to mwusers.com Rumpsenate 12:33, 17 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Reason for lack of answer was that if he had read the administrators guide, in his native language, then he would have known about the $wgEnableUploads global variable. As such, the general motto is, and im not quoting, "Try at Least!", we will not do your homework for you, but do as many searches as you can within the MediaWiki network and you will find 90% of your answers there. Goldbishop 16:13, 17 July 2009 (UTC)http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/3.0/

Cannot edit sidebar (SOLVED)
Everybody is probably still looking for the 'edit' link in the MediaWiki:Sidebar page. Just click the 'create' link at the top of the page and you'll see the editable page contents. -- L.Bono 19:21, 21 July 2009 (UTC)

Now I'm looking for the 'create' link too ! :)

Linking to another language article
How does wikipedia link articles on it's sidebar to a version in another language? The article name is usually in another language but are connected to other articles. For example the article "door" (english) is connected with 문 (Korean), and Puerta (Spanish) and languages that are only available are on the sidebar. How do I achieve this? --Bluesoju 16:30, 18 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Interwiki. Splarka 07:06, 19 August 2009 (UTC)

Google ads in sidebar
I'm using an extension (Paul Gu's) to add AdSense ads to my wiki. Everything seems like it should work: ads display on any page I put them on, but I can't seem to add the ad to the sidebar. I created a header just for the ads. I tried both putting the ad text in a mediawiki message and calling on that in the sidebar, and just putting the ad text in the sidebar. The header is created, but there is nothing underneath it. I realize Paul Gu's website has a forum just for questions about these extensions, but... well, embarassingly enough, I'm unable to pass his forum's captcha and can't register. (It has me doubting my humanity; am I a robot?) So, anyway, does anyone here know if it is possible to put ads there? Can you use special elements like a google ad in a sidebar? It's very small and should fit without a problem... Thanks for any help you can provide. Modrobene 20:10, 30 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Try Extension:Google_AdSense_2. - 68.76.16.14 17:35, 8 February 2010 (UTC)

Erratic Sidebar Display
Someone who used to administer our wiki hacked our sidebar to implement the Hidden Pages extension, so that if you logged in you would see the restricted namespaces in the sidebar. We just recently upgraded to the latest version, and that namespace hack didn't work at all, and we installed the Lockdown extension instead. But as part of the upgrade we installed the Collection extension, which comes with a section of the sidebar labelled print/export. The print/export sidebar section does not appear, or when it does (when viewing special pages), appears blank. I'm having trouble troubleshooting the issue. For some reason, going to our Special:Allmessages page triggers a memory error in SkinTemplate.php. Anyone know anything that could help? --G.y 16:26, 25 March 2010 (UTC)

Still can't remove items from sidebar!!!
Hello - I have desperately been trying to modify my .js and CSS files looking for a way to remove some items from my sidebar. Any help would be greatly appreciated... In particular, I'd like to remove the following items from my sidebar: edit, context, this page, my pages, special pages. I am currently using the cologneblue skin and am new to editing CSS/js. Also -- and now I know i'm being greedy -- is there anyway I can change the remaining sidebar item which says "Browse" to some other title? Thanks in advance -- Dana 23:47, 30 May 2010 (UTC)