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'''You want to try Flow on your wiki? It is possible!'''

All pages on all Wikimedia Foundation supported projects are eligible, in time.

See also Flow/Rollout for a list of wikis that are using or discussing Flow, and more technical details.

Flow is available as a beta feature on MediaWiki, Chinese Wikipedia (zh), Bosnian Wikipedia (bs), and Wikidata.

For a community page
If you want to help get Flow deployed on a community page at a specific wiki: You can ask to have a test page. It's good to discuss where the community wishes to trial Flow after that, in a real-working environment. E.g. a helpdesk, or village pump, or a wikiproject, or similar...
 * 1) Start a discussion with the community, to get consensus on starting the trial.
 * 2) After consensus is reached, add a link below to the community result and the link(s) to the page(s) you want Flow on.

Technical details
For the first use of Flow at a wiki, the developers need this information: When further rollouts are being discussed, it is also helpful to tell us:
 * The exact name of the local discussion & feedback page (for anyone who is unwilling to give feedback at mw:Talk:Flow), e.g. Wikipedia_talk:Flow or Discussion_Wikipédia:Flow
 * The exact name of a "sandbox" page, where the community would like to test out Flow, e.g. Wikipedia:Flow/sandbox or Viquipèdia_Discussió:Flow/proves
 * The local standard (most common) page-archive naming system(s), so that we can try to follow the local custom. E.g. ".../Archive 1" or ".../Archiwum/1" or ".../Archives/2013/July"
 * Don't forget to check if all Flow messages have been translated in the language(s) used in your wiki!

Wikis with community consensus to enable Flow on user demand
Please list it here:
 * Community consensus for Arabic Wikipedia: --Ibrahim.ID (talk) for Ar Wiki - (Discussion Page) - 09/30
 * Community consensus in Chinese Wikipedia, it is here, please let us know how we can deploy the new toy~ Shangkuanlc - 10/01
 * Community consensus for the Bosnian Wikipedia can be found here. --Srdjan m (talk) 18:13, 2 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Community consensus for Urdu Wikipedia is here. --Muhammad Shuaib (talk) 13:57, 3 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Community consensus for Finnish Wikipedia is here. The discussion page where we want to test flow is here. The archiving format is to add /Arkisto (/Arkisto 1, /Arkisto 2 etc) at the end of the url.--Olimar (talk) 08:07, 20 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Community consensus for Esperanto Wikipedia (on having Flow in one test page for now) is here. The test page should be here. -- Ochilov  (talk)  11:47, 17 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Apologies for the long delay; this is now done. --Roan Kattouw (WMF) (talk) 22:49, 17 January 2016 (UTC)

Other

 * Community consensus at English Wikipedia to END FLOW TRIAL at en:wt:WikiProject_Breakfast. Consensus reached at en:Topic:Stn15z0u230zcbve.
 * There is consensus to end the test on this page. The majority opinion is that Flow is a hindrance to discussion here and it is buggy.
 * Please convert the page and all discussion back to wikitext Talk. As the final step of the trial, I am very interested to evaluate the result of the software for converting Flow discussions back to Talk. Thanx. Alsee (talk) 23:54, 6 January 2016 (UTC)
 * I've filed a Phabricator ticket for this. —  Scott  •  talk  02:02, 7 January 2016 (UTC)
 * I disagree -- there was no consensus to remove FLOW from wikiproject Breakfast on English Wikipedia. A few editors who were never involved in this trial suddenly showed up and forced this on us. Ottawahitech (talk) 05:01, 7 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Ottawahitech is complaining because they don't like the outcome of a properly tagged 30-day RFC. As has been explained to them on enwiki, global consensus trumps local consensus and RFCs are meant to bring opinions from the whole community. Please action this request in accordance with the RFC. BethNaught (talk) 07:53, 7 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Yes BethNaugh I don't like the outcome -- I put a lot of work into this, whereas most of the six or less votes from "the whole community" were from editors who weren't even courteous enough to participate in the discussion. Yes pretty much everyone agrees that the software has a lot of bugs, but I saw no effort to try and make a go of it. Ottawahitech (talk) 15:28, 7 January 2016 (UTC)
 * This page is for requests only, not discussions. Can you please discuss about all this on the talk page? Thanks! :) Trizek (WMF) (talk) 17:49, 8 January 2016 (UTC)

Reach community consensus first!
You can start a discussion on your wiki to get community consensus to have Flow on test pages, or individual pages. Please see the section above before adding a request if you wiki does not have community consensus.

Requests for wikis which have reach consensus
Requests for Catalan WP, French WP & WKT, Hebrew WP, Mediawiki.org, Persian WP, Arabic WP, Urdu WP only. Flow is available as a beta feature on MediaWiki, Chinese Wikipedia (zh), Bosnian Wikipedia (bs) and Wikidata.
 * 1) Harmonia Amanda - on WP:fr and on WD particularly : ✅ fr.wiki, wikidata, mw
 * 2) Ash Crow - w:fr:, w:br:, s:fr:, s:br:, c:, d: ✅ fr.wiki, wikidata, mw - need consensus on Breton, Commons
 * 3) Amir E. Aharoni (talk) - All as available, please - ✅ He.wiki, Fr.wiki, ca.wiki, mw (I'll be able to do wikidata when T107204 is released)
 * 4) User:Jorm (talk) ✅ mw
 * 5) Tar Lócesilion on mw: and pl: ✅ mw, need consensus on pl
 * 6) אבנר (talk) - at w:He: ✅ he.wiki, mw
 * 7) Jay8g (talk): en WP, MW, Commons ✅ mw, need consensus on English and Commons
 * 8) Сунприат (talk) ✅ mw
 * 9) Matanya (talk) ✅ he.wiki, mw
 * 10) KartikMistry (talk) - at w:Gu: ✅ mw, w:Gu needs consensus (see below)
 * 11) JeanBono (talk) at w:fr ✅ w:fr, mw
 * 12) Josve05a (talk) (when possible) on sv.wp, en.wp, wikidata, Commons ✅ wikidata, mw - need consensus on sv.mp, en.wp + Commons
 * 13) Trizek (talk) at w:fr ✅ w.fr, mw
 * 14) Kvardek du (talk) at w:fr ✅ w:fr, mw
 * 15) Agamitsudo (talk) at w:fr ✅ w.fr, mw
 * 16) Metamorforme42 (talk) at w:fr ✅ w:fr, mw
 * 17) Fralambert (talk) at w:fr ✅ w:fr, mw
 * 18) Edgars2007 (talk) at Latvian Wikipedia ✅ mw, lv.wiki
 * 19) Superjuju10 (talk) at w:fr ✅ w:fr, mw
 * 20) Borys Kozielski (talk) All as available, please - ✅ w:fr, mw
 * 21) Rzuwig ► 11:51, 1 August 2015 (UTC) Here, commons, wikidata, testwiki ✅ mw, wikidata - need consensus on Commons
 * 22) Lazowik (talk) mw, pl and, when possible, wikidata please. ✅ wikidata, mw -- need consensus on pl
 * 23) Davidpar (talk) at ca.wiki ✅ ca.wiki, mw
 * 24) QuimGil (talk) at ca.wiki, Commons. ✅ ca.wiki, mw -- need consensus on Commons
 * 25) Yann (talk) at fr.wiki, Commons. ✅ fr:wiki, need consensus from Commons
 * 26) Talk:MediaWiki/Homepage_redesign/Preview convert to flow. ✅
 * 27) User:Yammesicka (talk) - at w:He ✅ he.wiki, mw
 * 28) User:Jitrixis on French WP, Mediawiki.org and Wikidata ✅ fr.wiki, wikidata, mw
 * 29) ConnieGB (talk) 18:23, 26 August 2015 (UTC) Mediawiki and Wikidata. ✅ wikidata, mw
 * 30) ראובן מ. (talk) 22:17, 26 August 2015 (UTC) at w:he. ✅ w:he, mw
 * 31) Trizek (WMF) on fr.wp ✅
 * 32) Yodaspirine on fr.wp, wikidata,--Yodaspirine (talk) 14:52, 28 August 2015 (UTC) ✅ on fr, wikidata, mw
 * 33) Kippelboy All as available, please ✅ on mw, fr, he, ca, wikidata
 * 34) RobLa-WMF (talk) on mw.org (subpages too) -- 22:01, 1 September 2015 (UTC) ✅
 * 35) Gtaf (talk) on fr.wp -- 18:01, 6 September 2015 (UTC) ✅
 * 36) Ickx6 (talk) on fr.wp ✅
 * 37)  Orikrin1998  (talk) on fr.wp ✅ and removed since (not satisfied of the archive system)
 * 38) Ladsgroup (talk) on fa.wp ✅
 * 39) Shizhao (talk) at mw, wikidata, zh.wp, commonswiki ✅ on mw and wikidata, zh and commons still need a discussion for consensus
 * 40) Cosine02 (talk) at mw, wikidata, fr.wp. ✅
 * 41) User:Touam on wikipedia fr https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discussion_utilisateur:Touam. ✅
 * 42) User:Benoît Prieur wpfr + wikidata please. ✅
 * Formerly known as user:Agamitsudo. His Flow page has not been renamed/moved with the account. Trizek (WMF) (talk) 10:23, 25 September 2015 (UTC)
 * I moved the extra wikitext page to Archives-2015b, and moved the Flow board from Agamitsudo to Benoît Prieur. That solves the immediate problem, but we'll have to work on that ticket. DannyH (WMF) (talk) 21:26, 25 September 2015 (UTC)
 * fr:discussion utilisateur:nclm on wpfr. Thank you! Nclm (talk) 09:51, 27 September 2015 (UTC) ✅
 * 1) Meiræ (talk) 18:51, 28 September 2015 (UTC) : mw, fr, wikidata ✅
 * 2) Shani Evenstein Esh77 (talk) 10:02, 30 September 2015 (UTC) - at he, en, outreach, meta ✅ on he. Need consensus on other wikis
 * 3) --Ibrahim.ID (talk) for Ar  Wiki - (Discussion Page)
 * 4) KRLS (talk) - All as available, please. ✅ on ca & mw
 * 5) --Kippelboy (talk) 07:20, 4 October 2015 (UTC) All where available (ca.wiki at least, please) ✅ on ca
 * 6) TomT0m (talk) 09:40, 6 October 2015 (UTC) on fr.wp ✅
 * 7) cosine02 on zh.wp -Cosine02 (talk) 10:55, 11 September 2015 (UTC)✅
 * 8) Shizhao on zh.wikipedia ✅
 * 9) Nbfreeh on zh.wikipedia and wuu.wikipedia ✅ for zh
 * 10) Shangkuanlc (talk) 05:12, 7 October 2015 (UTC) on all available sites, thank you.✅ zh and mw
 * 11) Carrotkit (talk) on zh.wikipedia, thanks.✅
 * 12) Tyseria (talk) on fr.wp, thanks. ✅
 * 13) CAS222222221 (talk) at w:zh, thanks.✅
 * 14) James970028 on zh.wikipedia08:00, 9 October 2015 (UTC)✅
 * 15) 9shi on zh.wikipedia ,thank you✅
 * Link here on zh wikipedia, thanks. --小躍 (talk) 11:17, 9 October 2015 (UTC)✅
 * 1) Billytanghh on zh.wikipedia, thanks.--Billytanghh (talk) 13:15, 9 October 2015 (UTC) ✅ for zhwp
 * zh:user talk:bluedeck/flow I want to try this first on a sub page before a full deployment. Bluedeck 15:15, 9 October 2015 (UTC) ✅
 * 1) ԱշոտՏՆՂ All as available, please ✅ on mediawiki.org
 * 2) User:Zhangjintao All as available, please. 11:22, 11 October 2015 (UTC) ✅ on mediawiki and zh, with beta feature.
 * 3) User:D2513850 All as available, please--D2513850 (talk) 06:09, 12 October 2015 (UTC)
 * 4) User:Nouill All as available (specifically on wp:fr), please. --Nouill (talk) 15:14, 13 October 2015 (UTC) ✅ on fr
 * 5) User:Medium69 All as available, please. --Medium69 (talk) 22:35, 14 October 2015 (UTC)￼ ✅ on fr
 * 6) ԱշոտՏՆՂ on Catalan WP, French WP & WKT, Hebrew WP, Persian WP, Wikidata, Arabic WP, please. ✅ on Catalan WP, French WP & WKT, Hebrew WP
 * 7) ԱշոտՏՆՂ on Wikidata (Sorry for disturbing you)
 * Stand-by for Wikidata: Flow should be available here soon as a beta-feature. Trizek (WMF) (talk) 10:32, 28 October 2015 (UTC)
 * 1) User:فلورانس on fawiki please. :) --فلورانس (talk) 23:13, 29 October 2015 (UTC) ✅
 * 2) User:太子太保啦啦 on zh.wikipedia ,thank you - Activation for Chinese Wikipedia
 * 3) User:محمد شعیب on Urdu Wikipedia, please. Muhammad Shuaib (talk) 14:09, 3 November 2015 (UTC) - Stand by for Urdu Wikipedia until translations are improved. ✅
 * 4) User:The powder toy All as available,thank you.--The powder toy (talk) 11:39, 4 November 2015 (UTC)
 * 5) User:Arnaugir on cawiki. Thanks.--Arnaugir (talk) 13:28, 16 November 2015 (UTC) ✅
 * User:Bouchecl on frwiki. Thanks. Bouchecl (talk) 03:46, 27 November 2015 (UTC) ✅
 * User:Prométhée on frwiki only. Thank you. Prométhée (talk) 07:53, 1 January 2016 (UTC) ✅
 * User:Cydwæise on frwiki. Thank you for considering my request. --Cydwæise (talk) 12:05, 8 January 2016 (UTC) ✅
 * Reptilien.19831209BE1 on w:fr. Thanks. Reptilien.19831209BE1 (talk) 06:23, 12 January 2016 (UTC) ✅
 * Feldo on w:fr and Wiktionary. Thanks. Feldo (talk) 11:36, 16 January 2016 (UTC) ✅
 * Bladyniec All as available, please. Bladyniec (talk) 23:42, 18 January 2016 (UTC)
 * 1) * Do you have preferred wikis, Bladyniec? Trizek (WMF) (talk) 16:31, 28 January 2016 (UTC)
 * 2) Orkosiada (talk) 16:21, 28 January 2016 (UTC) w:he ✅
 * User:H4stings on frwiki, please. --H4stings (talk) 09:18, 3 February 2016 (UTC)✅
 * User:Archi38 on frwiki. Thanks ! Archi38 (talk) 17:35, 6 February 2016 (UTC)✅
 * User:Twilight-Brawl on frwiki. Is it too late? Twilight-Brawl (talk) 16:36, 12 February 2016 (UTC) ✅
 * 1) * No, why? Trizek (WMF) (talk) 09:33, 16 February 2016 (UTC)
 * 2) ** It's me again... I should have thought about it and renamed my account before asking for Flow. So here's my new name : User:T-Brawl on frwiki. T-Brawl (talk) 15:41, 18 February 2016 (UTC) ✅
 * 3) *** Thanks a lot ! --T-Brawl (talk) 16:08, 18 February 2016 (UTC)
 * w:fr:Utilisateur:Issimo 15 on french wikipedia please. Issimo 15 (talk) 14:58, 16 February 2016 (UTC) ✅
 * Mikey641 (talk) 22:37, 27 February 2016 (UTC)

Requests for other wikis
Your wiki has not decided or reach a consensus about using Flow. Please see the section above before adding a request.
 * 1) Wittylama (talk) 20:09, 29 July 2015 (UTC) on en.wp.
 * 2) For now, on talk pages on plwiki, commonswiki, if possible. Kszapsza  (dyskusja ) 12:18, 1 August 2015 (UTC)
 * 3) User:Halibutt @ pl wiki please. Halibutt (talk) 11:44, 3 August 2015 (UTC)
 * 4) Nirmos (talk) @ svwiki
 * 5) User:Nizil Shah (talk) at w:gu
 * 6) User:Мұхамеджан Амангелді at w:kk
 * 7) Ash Crow - w:br:, s:fr:, s:br:, c:, d:
 * 8) Tar Lócesilion  pl:
 * 9) Jay8g (talk): en WP, Commons
 * 10) KartikMistry (talk) - at w:Gu:
 * 11) Josve05a (talk) (when possible) on sv.wp, en.wp, Commons
 * 12) Edgars2007 (talk) at Latvian Wikipedia
 * 13) Rzuwig ► 11:51, 1 August 2015 (UTC) - commons
 * 14) Lazowik (talk)  pl
 * 15) QuimGil (talk) at Commons
 * 16) Yann (talk) at Commons
 * 17) Yodaspirine oncommons, fr.wikisource--Yodaspirine (talk) 14:52, 28 August 2015 (UTC)
 * 18) cosine02 on commons--Cosine02 (talk) 10:55, 11 September 2015 (UTC)
 * 19) Shizhao on Commons
 * 20) Mbch331 (talk) 13:17, 3 October 2015 (UTC) on nlwiki and commons
 * 21) TomT0m (talk) 09:40, 6 October 2015 (UTC) on en.wp
 * 22) Shani Evenstein Esh77 (talk) 10:02, 30 September 2015 (UTC) - at en, outreach, meta
 * 23) Nbfreeh on wuu.wikipedia
 * 24) Billytanghh on en.wikipedia, thanks.--Billytanghh (talk) 13:15, 9 October 2015 (UTC)
 * 25) User:Medium69 on Commons please. --Medium69 (talk) 22:36, 14 October 2015 (UTC)
 * 26) User:Taiwania Justo: meta, please. Taiwania Justo (talk) 00:17, 23 October 2015 (UTC)
 * 27) User:Almondega on pt:w and wikidata, please. :)
 * 28) User:فلورانس on fa:w and fa.voy, Thanks --فلورانس (talk) 23:11, 29 October 2015 (UTC)
 * 29) Ochilov - talk pages in ruwiki, eowiki, metawiki. -- Ochilov   (talk)  16:45, 25 November 2015 (UTC)
 * User:Karol Szapsza (plwiki) — Karol Szapsza  (talk ) 16:16, 9 January 2016 (UTC)

Temporary parking

 * 1) Per this final discussion, please:
 * 2) * activate Flow on fr:Wikipédia:Forum des nouveaux/relecture. Please warn us before, as we can stop the bot and answer properly all remaining requests.
 * 3) * turn the Forum des nouveaux to Flow only (and redirect Wikipédia:Forum des nouveaux/Flow to Wikipédia:Forum des nouveaux). Thanks! Trizek (talk) 09:56, 2 August 2015 (UTC)
 * fr:Wikipédia:Forum des nouveaux/relecture/Flow is activated, and people are redirected on it.
 * fr:Wikipédia:Forum des nouveaux/Flow is ready to be renamed as fr:Wikipédia:Forum des nouveaux. Trizek (WMF) (talk) 15:15, 10 September 2015 (UTC)
 * 1) Per fa:ویکی‌پدیا:قهوه‌خانه/گوناگون please:
 * 2) * Activate Flow on the local Project talk:Flow page, Project talk:Flow/sandbox page, and local help desk page. Also people should be allowed to enable flow on their own talk pages.
 * Okay, Flow is now enabled on those three pages on fa.wiki. The feature to enable Flow on your own talk page is coming out soon! DannyH (WMF) (talk) 22:51, 9 September 2015 (UTC)
 * please remove flow from help desk page. this extension is new and made confuse newbiesYamaha5 (talk) 13:16, 10 September 2015 (UTC)
 * It seems Flow has some bugs for Persian language (mostly easy bugs) I will report them all. Please remove flow from help desk to fix bugs and we will bring it back once the bugs are solved. Ladsgroup (talk) 14:10, 10 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Okay, I've moved the help desk page back. Are you concerned about the way that the header templates looked when they were copied into the side rail? I think the big template with the blue header is using a fixed width, and it didn't play well in the smaller space. I'm sorry, I should have spotted that and asked you about the template before I enabled Flow. Let me know what I can do. DannyH (WMF) (talk) 18:23, 10 September 2015 (UTC)


 * 1) I should say my talk page on,  and here are have Special:TranslatorSignup enabled, is this will be affected? --Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 03:34, 1 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Hey Liuxinyu970226, I've transferred your message here. Trizek (WMF) (talk) 08:59, 1 October 2015 (UTC)


 * 1) As per Urdu Wikipedia community consensus, please activate flow on Project talk:Flow and Project talk:Flow/sandbox, Thanks. Muhammad Shuaib (talk) 14:05, 3 November 2015 (UTC)

What will happen?
Flow will be deployed as soon as possible on the requested page(s) and on a feedback page (usually WP:Flow in the local language). You will receive a notification when it is done.

The previous talk page will be archived, and Flow will be alive on your page!

Caveats
Note: You may miss some automated messages until the bot-writers adopt Flow (see T107093 and related tasks). See further notes at T98270 ("Opt-in for Flow on your own user talk page")

Data
Between Wikimania 2015 (07/13 - 07/19) and end of September, you've been 55 to request Flow on your personal talk pages. Thank you!

At the moment, there is a community consensus and active boards on users talk pages on the following projects: Catalan Wikipedia (4), French Wikipedia (22) & WKT (0), Hebrew Wikipedia (6), Mediawiki.org (33), Persian Wikipedia (1), and Wikidata (9). (Figures are the number of requests and activation based on this page.) We also notice some requests for wikis where the consensus has not been reached, like Commons (9), Polish Wikipedia (3) or English Wikipedia (2).

Flow will be available as a beta feature soon (T98270). We plan to track the activation automatically (T114111).