Flow/Prior discussion-thread-roundup

A brief roundup I made, whilst re-reading through the archives.

[Note: This is partially for my own benefit, so that I can find things easily without having to search 2 wikis and multiple subpages; and partially for the community's benefit, to prove that I am actually passing these ideas along to the devs!

However, a lot of my job seems to consist of communicating these issues via: email, webcam-meetings, IRC, bugzilla, and mingle cards, so it's not always going to be obvious that I've passed along specific details. I won't promise to keep this list uptodate and canonical, especially because most of these threads are about the pre-pre-pre-prototypes and abstract notes and other confusion. I will be doing my damnedest in the background though, to read everything twice, and nudge the crucial/critical/interesting details along to where they're needed and will be seen. I have been doing so for the past few weeks, and will (hopefully) continue for the next few months/years!] –Quiddity (WMF) (talk) 20:49, 27 September 2013 (UTC)

Design Density (horizontal (fixedwidth) and vertical (padding))

 * w:Wikipedia talk:Flow/Design FAQ
 * [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:Flow&diff=588494678&oldid=588457872 New skin idea]
 * w:Wikipedia talk:Flow/Archive 5
 * w:Wikipedia talk:Flow/Archive 2
 * w:Wikipedia talk:Flow/Archive 2
 * w:Wikipedia talk:Flow/Interactive prototype
 * mw:Thread:Talk:Flow Portal/Flow is too tall
 * mw:Thread:Talk:Flow Portal/Interactive Prototype/Header prominence
 * mw:Thread:Talk:Flow Portal/Interactive Prototype/Flow wastes too much space (2)
 * mw:Thread:Talk:Flow Portal/Interactive Prototype/My two cents
 * mw:Thread:Talk:Flow Portal/Interactive Prototype/Interface wastes to much space, doesn't fit into Wikipedia
 * mw:Thread:Talk:Flow Portal/Interactive Prototype/Too much stuff?
 * mw:Thread:Talk:Flow Portal/lnteractive Prototype/Problems with the spacing
 * mw:Thread:Talk:Flow Portal/lnteractive Prototype/Looks great
 * Modern? -- "This system doesn't look very "modern" to me at all! Over half of my 1920 by 1200 monitor is filled with nothing but white space" Sep 2014
 * On design for one-line messages.. more compact... Sep 2014
 * RTL support? -- "The spacing between the replays is way too big, makes it hard to follow long and ongoing discussions that has many users involved in them. (constantly need to scroll the screen up and down)." Aug 2014
 * Huge headers 21 Aug 2014
 * Needs some refinement 28 May 2014
 * Readability 20 Jun 2014
 * please make the interface more compact 20 Jul 2014
 * w:User:TheDJ/flowidth
 * T88114

Indenting Levels

 * Flow Portal/Design/FAQ
 * en:User:Hhhippo/Flow/Compact nesting
 * Threading
 * w:Wikipedia talk:Flow/Archive 8
 * Thread structure of Flow needs improvement
 * w:Wikipedia talk:Flow/Archive 6 <-- This one in particular
 * w:Wikipedia talk:Flow/Archive 1
 * Threading 02 May 2014
 * Threading 12 Jun 2014
 * Multiple threading levels 07 Mar 2014
 * Thread structure of Flow needs improvement 05 Mar 2014
 * bug 59230 - missing thread depth setting

Table Of Contents / Collapsing Threads

 * Flow/Table of Contents spec
 * w:Wikipedia talk:Flow/Design FAQ
 * w:Wikipedia talk:Flow/Archive 6
 * w:Wikipedia talk:Flow/Archive 3
 * mw:Thread:Talk:Flow/Auto-archiving/reply (54)
 * Contents table 19 Jun 2014
 * Where's the table of contents? 17 Jun 2014
 * Needs some refinement 28 May 2014
 * Table of content 21 May 2014

Thread Order

 * w:User:Hhhippo/Flow/TOC and filters
 * mw:Thread:Talk:Flow Portal/Why the reordering of topic discussions?

Interface Wording

 * w:Wikipedia talk:Flow/Archive 4
 * w:Wikipedia talk:Flow/Archive 4
 * w:Wikipedia talk:Flow/Archive 2

Post Layout

 * w:Wikipedia talk:Flow/Archive 2
 * w:Wikipedia talk:Flow/Archive 2

Design Terminology (Board Vs Talk)

 * w:Wikipedia talk:Flow/Archive 2
 * w:Wikipedia talk:Flow/Archive 1

Conflicting Permissions (cross-board, cross-wiki)

 * w:Wikipedia talk:Flow/Archive 3
 * w:Wikipedia talk:Flow/Archive 2
 * w:Wikipedia talk:Flow/Archive 1

Editing Someone Else's Post - Permissions

 * Flow Portal/Editing comments
 * w:Wikipedia talk:Flow/Archive 5
 * w:Wikipedia talk:Flow/Archive 4
 * w:Wikipedia talk:Flow/Archive 3
 * w:Wikipedia talk:Flow/Archive 2
 * w:Wikipedia talk:Flow/Archive 2
 * w:Wikipedia talk:Flow/Archive 1
 * mw:Thread:Talk:Flow/Comments protection
 * mw:Thread:Talk:Flow Portal/lnteractive Prototype/Editing?

Deleting comments

 * w:Wikipedia talk:Flow/Archive 3
 * Deleting a comment? 28 Jan 2014
 * Deleting own replies? 11 Jan 2014

Other

 * The DOs and DONTs of moderation in Flow (see also the talk page)
 * Thoughts on moderation in Flow 21 August 2014

Concerns about access to viewing or editing others' posts

 * Violation of the free editing Wiki principle
 * How to edit my previous IP messages ?
 * How do I see and copy the wikitext of another person's comment?
 * No way to undo header vandalism
 * Editing all comments
 * Accidental anonymous logins
 * 
 * >Sorry, I should have been clearer. By default, Flow lets you edit your own comments,
 * >and lets admins edit all comments, just like typical forum conventions. It
 * >just doesn't let everyone edit everything.
 * But that's not how wikis work. On other platforms that do support such editing at all, users edit their own articles, and their own comments, with only moderators trusted to change them. But on wikis, the users are also the moderators. This applies to content and comments, and admins are only required where things can become sensitive (where concerns of privacy, site stability, or simply dangerous tools in terms of vandalism come into play). Why the sudden divergence that only admins can be mods here? Discussions aren't sensitive.
 * This sort of thing is a large part of why some of us are so skeptical of Flow currently - if the designers do not even understand the basic principles behind a wiki, how can what is developed possibly suit our needs?

Archives

 * w:Wikipedia talk:Flow
 * w:Wikipedia talk:Flow/Archive 2
 * w:Wikipedia talk:Flow/Archive 1
 * mw:Thread:Talk:Flow/Auto-archiving
 * mw:Thread:Talk:Flow Portal/Existing pages and FLOW

Bots

 * Note: Bots already use the API, so many updates should be easy. Notes for that, and for edge cases, and related suggestions are here:


 * https://mingle.corp.wikimedia.org/projects/flow/cards/74 (All Flow actions and information available via API )
 * Flow Portal/Bots
 * mw:Thread:Talk:Flow/Auto-archiving/reply (8) and Thread:Talk:Flow/Auto-archiving/reply (38) suggest "sticky" posts

Search and infinite scroll

 * mw:Talk:Flow Infinite scroll is seriously annoying
 * w:Wikipedia talk:Flow/Design FAQ
 * w:Wikipedia talk:Flow/Archive 7
 * w:Wikipedia:Flow/FAQ
 * w:Wikipedia talk:Flow
 * w:Wikipedia talk:Flow/Archive 6
 * w:Wikipedia talk:Flow/Design FAQ
 * w:Wikipedia talk:Flow/Design FAQ
 * w:Wikipedia talk:Flow/Archive 4
 * w:Wikipedia talk:Flow/Archive 3

about search:


 * Search functionality?! 26 Aug 2014
 * Search box? 01 Feb 2014
 * So how do I search? 17 Jan 2014
 * Flow/Functional Specifications/Search and Filter

Edit Conflicts

 * w:Wikipedia talk:Flow/Archive 4
 * w:Wikipedia talk:Flow/Archive 4
 * w:Wikipedia talk:Flow/Archive 2
 * mw:Thread:Talk:Flow/Is anyone in the process of responding?

Scratchpads

 * w:Wikipedia talk:Flow/Archive 2
 * mw:Thread:Talk:Flow Portal/Unstructered section vs. Unstructured sections (plural!)
 * mw:Thread:Talk:Flow Portal/Subpage scratchpads?

Splitting Threads

 * w:Wikipedia talk:Flow/Archive 2

Accessibility (Incl. javascript concerns)

 * w:Wikipedia talk:Flow
 * w:Wikipedia talk:Flow/Archive 1
 * mw:Thread:Talk:Flow Portal/Accessibility: JavaScript, screen readers, slow connections, etc.
 * no js topic menu is missing
 * Idea's OK, but there are usability problems
 * JavaScriptless Flow takes to topic title edit box when I'd like to edit my own message
 * JavaScriptless Flow does not allow listing back

Workflows

 * w:Wikipedia talk:Flow/Archive 5
 * mw:Talk:Requests for comment/Workflow
 * w:Wikipedia talk:Flow/Archive 2
 * w:Wikipedia talk:Flow/Archive 1
 * mw:Thread:Talk:Flow Portal/Workflows
 * mw:Thread:Talk:Flow/Numbered lists
 * mw:Thread:Talk:Flow Portal/Talkpagespace using administrative processes
 * Tech notes:
 * Flow Portal/Use cases
 * Flow Portal/User to User Discussions
 * Flow Portal/Workflow Description Module
 * Flow Portal/Welcome Module
 * Flow Portal/Block Module
 * Scratchpad list: Workflows

Voting

 * w:Wikipedia talk:Flow/Archive 5

Tags

 * wikimedia-l thread - To Flow or not to Flow
 * Topic tagging
 * mw:Thread:Talk:Flow Portal/Thread tags
 * mw:Thread:Talk:Flow/Auto-archiving
 * Flow/Basic information (Old brainstorming)

Multitopic

 * w:Wikipedia talk:Flow/Archive 1
 * w:Wikipedia talk:Flow/Archive 1
 * w:Wikipedia:Village pump (policy)/Archive 108
 * w:Wikipedia:Village pump (technical)/Archive 112
 * w:Wikipedia:Village pump (technical)/Archive 114
 * mw:Thread:Talk:Flow Portal/Warning levels detection
 * mw:Thread:Talk:Flow Portal/Interactive Prototype/I liked it a lot - here's why
 * mw:Thread:Talk:Flow Portal/Interactive Prototype/Visuals in updated prototype - anywhere close to final FLOW?/reply (2)

Why Do We Need It

 * w:Wikipedia:Flow
 * w:Wikipedia talk:Flow/Archive 4
 * w:Wikipedia talk:Flow/Archive 1
 * mw:Thread:Talk:Flow Portal/Community consent?

Community engagement

 * w:Wikipedia talk:Flow/Archive 5
 * w:Wikipedia talk:Flow/Archive 4

Wikitext Vs. Visualeditor

 * w:Wikipedia talk:Flow/Archive 3 - Examples/Conclusion
 * w:Wikipedia talk:Flow/Archive 3
 * w:Wikipedia talk:Flow/Archive 3
 * w:Wikipedia talk:Flow/Archive 2
 * w:Wikipedia talk:Flow/Archive 2#WMF intends for...
 * w:Wikipedia talk:Flow/Archive 2
 * w:Wikipedia talk:Flow/Archive 2
 * w:Wikipedia talk:Flow/Archive 2
 * mw:Thread:Talk:Flow Portal/Maths
 * mw:Thread:Talk:Flow Portal/Wikiformat in threads
 * mw:Thread:Talk:Flow Portal/Interactive Prototype/What about all the nice things Wikitext offers us? Will they be available in Flow?
 * mw:Thread:Talk:Flow Portal/Interactive Prototype/Markup-mode *needed* in editor

Miscellaneous

 * w:Wikipedia talk:Flow/Archive 1 (Ballooning page counts)

Subpages

 * Thread:Talk:Flow Portal/Talk subpages

Dates and timestamps

 * Signatures and timestamps and other
 * Extension:Flow (CLDR)
 * mw:Thread:Talk:Flow Portal/Interactive Prototype/Comment format
 * (tangential w:Wikipedia talk:Notifications/Archive_5)

Signatures and avatars

 * User talk:Jorm (WMF)
 * Flow Portal/FAQ
 * Flow Portal/Research (2 small mentions)
 * Flow Portal/Research/User Test Data (many small mentions)
 * w:Wikipedia_talk:Flow/Archive_4
 * w:Wikipedia talk:Flow/Design FAQ (a few comments)
 * w:Wikipedia talk:Flow/Interactive prototype
 * w:Wikipedia talk:Flow/Archive 2
 * Flow/Avatars (all by Isarra atm.)
 * Thread:Talk:Flow/Avatars (particularly the last post)
 * DO NOT do avatars! Stupid idea (we should focus on discussion content). Thanks. --Gryllida 22:26, 1 September 2014 (UTC)
 * I concur with Gryllida. → Σ τ c . 22:27, 1 September 2014 (UTC)

Edit summaries

 * comment about edit summaries at Ptwiki
 * Topic about "Flow does not provide edit summaries"
 * w:Wikipedia talk:Flow/Archive 7
 * ee-flow:Edit summaries
 * mingle:Add context to watchlist entries
 * Quiddity, Card 634 does not exist.! --Gryllida
 * Very weird. I can't see it whilst logged-in, either. card 690 seems to be the closest thing remaining, plus this trello card. Quiddity (WMF) (talk)

Unread posts

 * w:Wikipedia talk:Flow/Archive_6
 * w:Wikipedia talk:Flow/Archive_6
 * w:Wikipedia talk:Flow/Archive_7
 * ee-flow:How will I find out whether you reply?
 * ee-flow:Hello world!

Titlebar info

 * Topic bar: potential lack of need in nick and time
 * Huge headers

Permalinks and internal links

 * https://trello.com/c/WT8GymA1/ - Snapshot permanent links
 * en:User:Hhhippo/Flow/Activity_monitor
 * en:Wikipedia talk:Flow/Archive_13
 * en:Wikipedia_talk:Flow/Archive_12
 * en:Wikipedia talk:Flow/Archive_7
 * en:Wikipedia talk:Flow/Archive_8
 * Internal link to a thread
 * Permalinks
 * Flow/Functional Specifications/Boards and Topics

Watchlist contents

 * See also 


 * trello and mingle
 * Watchlist
 * en:Wikipedia talk:Flow/Archive 8

+1 plus 1

 * +1 a post
 * Make voting easier
 * Thoughts on moderation in Flow
 * and on the talkpage
 * WP:VPR#Like

Refactoring

 * w:User:Hhhippo/Flow/Flexibility