Wikimedia Technical Conference/2018/Session notes/Building MediaWiki to Support Collaboration

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 * This session is about MediaWiki as a tool for collaborating on knowledge creation/mgmt
 * There are lots of people already doing this
 * First activity (already started in hallway) was to ID features that help facilitate collaborative uses of MediaWiki and things that make it harder or are missing
 * First activity here (~10 mins) is for people to get up and walk around to discuss three topics (see session structure for the topics)

First exercise: Post-it stations

A Features that 3rd party users use for collaboration (High priority first)

! Include foto, upload foto to Commons for using it onwiki

B Features that currently prevent using MediaWiki for collaboration and instead another tool is used

Include foto, upload image to Commons

(In group discussion: PDF export missing?  Actually, this exists, but not from the “print” menu option in the browser, which a savvy user may expect.)

C Features that are supposed to be used but are missing key pieces

Include foto, upload image to Commons

(In group discussion: templates for license info?  This is because at one company, lawyers aren’t satisfied with the license for a work simply being listed on a page)

Issues prioritized through voting for each group:

A Features that 3rd party users use for collaboration

Access Control (3rd party users use)

B Features that currently prevent using MediaWiki for collaboration and instead another tool is used

Collaborative Editing (missing)

Live Chat/discussions (missing)

C Features that are supposed to be used but are missing key pieces

Workflow

Annotations/comments on specific parts of a page (exists but needs improvement)

Group 1
 Live Chat/discussions (missing) 

Who is the feature useful for:


 * 3rd parties
 * Wikimedia contributors
 * Maybe everyone :-)

Note:


 * You have to have a common topic, that you want to discuss, or it would be interesting for asking for help. Unmoderated chatroom would be dangerous, but if it is focused to e.g. a page, it can be very useful.
 * No need to record it.

What extensions are already existing?


 * Flow
 * Might become a side feature of the real life collaboration project (collab pad)?
 * PM extensions?
 * MediaWiki chat (stable) ?

Should we have this available as barebones MW install?


 * Should be offered as an easy to get extension

 Workflow 

Who is the feature useful for:

Potentially more useful for Wikipedia contributors; but might have a wider potential audience

If you think about reviewing content, it might be interesting for companies as well

What extensions are already existing?


 * Flagged revs?
 * Guides tours (creation of workflows around tours)

Should we have this available as barebones MW install?


 * Would not expect to have that
 * Different communities/users might have very different view on workflows
 * Both examples above are used in various WM projects

 Annotations/comments on specific parts of a page (exists but needs improvement) 

Who is the feature useful for:

Wikipedia, Wikidata, 3rd Partys (everybody)

What extensions are already existing?

Maybe. There is a Annotations extension (unmaintained since a very long time) (https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Annotation ?)

Wikiblame

The functionality might be part of other features.

Should we have this available as barebones MW install?

Definitely

Large group (Sage’s notes to be digitalised)

Access control

Useful for: Everybody

This exists in some form but has problems in that it leaks info. Probably belongs in Core, wanted in barebones install.

Group 2
topics

- Annotations

- Collaborative editing

- Workflows

* Collaborative editing

Who is it useful for?

- everyone, it's an objective good

- (but maybe not for WP articles?)

What extension does this already exist in?

- NONE

- Coming in VE?

- Daniel: Problem is that it doens't fit with the revision model at all

- Karsten: What use cases is it useful for? Creating minutes of meetings such as the one we're having here, for one.

Part of barebones MediaWiki?

- As a MW dev I'd say no b/c it's quite foreign to how MW works, but as a user I think it's functionality I would expect

- I would not put it in Core..

- CC: I would put it in Core if there are scalability concerns. Or it could be a separate extension with Hooks in Core

- Karsten: Needs to be stable across MW versions

- Daniel: Core would need support for it, but a barebones install may not include it

- CC: If this is a collaborative tool (???)

- Erik: Imagine heavily edited articles -- we wouldn't want to see every keystroke...

- Daniel: So maybe it shouldn't be enabled for Wikipedia

* Annotations

What does this actually refer to? Notes on sections of pages? Per-sentence tracking?

EB, Daniel: This is actually a really hard problem

Who is it useful for?

- definitely Wikpedia, third parties, Small scale collaboration

What extension does it already exist in?

- Citations might be an example of it

- Alex: I think of annotations as, e.g., highlight sentence and flag for moderation

- Dbrant: In the mobile world there's a big need for social highlighting, this could be a use case

Also in Wikiblame

(other groups: Hypothesis, Image annotations functionality, Annotations extension)

Does it belong in a barebones install?

- Daniel: Core needs to support it. But we've been talking about three different kinds of annotations, should they all be in by default?

Probably not.

* Workflows

What does this refer to? This is what Flow was supposed to do, right?

Article creation is a workflow. Articles for deletion is a workflow. Making someone an admin or bureaucrat, etc. is a workflow. Deciding article quality is a workflow.

Daniel: But you can also model workflows as pages.

Useful for?

- WP

- Third parties

Already exists in?

- Individual flows exist on many wikis via gadgets, don't know of extension

- FlaggedRevs

- ApprovedRevs

Belong in base MW install?

- Most wikis don't need it (Daniel)

- Sort of against the nature of a wiki (Daren); sort of slows things down (which may indeed be their purpose)

- Should we even attempt to deal with the concept of a workflow generically

Group 3
collab editing

Live chat/discussions

Who useful for? everyone

What extensions exist in? Flow, CollabPad, VE, bunch of others

Expect to be in barebones install? We'd expect something better than Talk pages but not necessarily full-blown chat

Workflows

Open questions:

Does barebones = default = Core?

Erik: When you put something in Core, you're enforcing a solution

Daniel: When we look at these things, some (annotations) need need conceptual support in Core even if they are ultimately implemented in extensions. But others do not (Workflows).

Erik: What about Core support for, e.g., a state machine?

Karsten: I think Core should have notifications support, I was surprised it wasn’t chosen because it was quite important.

Middle group: open questions:

-We decided that lockdowns approach in scope was demonstrated to be useful in most actual use cases. Taking that as a good starting point for requirements and moving to Core would be the way to go.