Global templates/Discuss/support


 * , as the author of most of the proposal :) --Amir E. Aharoni (talk) 19:46, 25 October 2019 (UTC)
 * solves the most common challenge in new and small wikis – Susannaanas (talk) 13:39, 30 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Robin van der Vliet (talk) 13:54, 30 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Readers do expect some kind of standarization among Wikipedias. This is a clear step on the right way. B25es (talk) 16:02, 30 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Ainali (talk) 16:43, 30 October 2019 (UTC)
 * --Frhdkazan (talk) 06:50, 5 November 2019 (UTC)
 * This is an important change that would make life a lot easier both for people writing templates, and those using them. It's long overdue! Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 10:38, 5 November 2019 (UTC)
 * As a person who met this problem on several occasions in different Wikimedia projects, I think it would be quite useful, especially for smaller Wikipedia editions. Drbug (talk) 14:30, 5 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Of course. Templates on meta-wiki global userpages does work globally. And templates in file pages on Commons too. Masumrezarock100 (talk) 14:32, 5 November 2019 (UTC)
 * --Kaganer (talk) 17:29, 5 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Shai-WMIL (talk) 09:54, 7 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Ruti-WMIL (talk) 08:09, 10 November 2019 (UTC)
 * WikiLester (talk) 09:18, 10 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Bekmaw (talk) 11:59, 11 November 2019 (UTC)
 * --Sannita (talk) 09:43, 28 November 2019 (UTC)
 * --Ferdi2005 (talk) 15:42, 28 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Excellent proposal. -- Dave Braunschweig (talk) 15:44, 28 November 2019 (UTC)
 * as an admin of a small Wiki. That may be helpful --Sciking (talk) 16:17, 28 November 2019 (UTC)
 * as I would develop a Wiki which currently is devoid of any template or infobox. Taking some of the most developed ones could be very great. Sandrino 14 (talk) 16:28, 28 November 2019 (UTC)
 * --Dome (talk) 17:16, 28 November 2019 (UTC)
 * --GC85 (talk) 20:20, 29 November 2019 (UTC)
 * strongly. I think this would be really helpful for every small wiki. Also it will make the cross wiki collaboration much simpler.--Lemure Saltante (talk) 21:12, 29 November 2019 (UTC)
 * + Support Mi subtenas la ideon de transvikigigo de ŝablonoj - Alfono (talk), la 16-an de decembro 2020
 * Without templates the MediaWiki software is incomplete and for third parties to implement a featureful wiki can be extremely challenging. --Rob Kam (talk) 15:34, 2 December 2019 (UTC)
 * This would be a vital tool to the growth of underresourced wikis and repairing global knowledge equity.--Pharos (talk) 20:27, 2 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Importing all the needed stuff in a newly created project is a pain in the ass, and something fundamental is always missing. --Ruthven (talk) 09:50, 4 December 2019 (UTC)
 * I've wondered about this for years. Outstanding idea and explication of the idea in the proposed specification! Libcub (talk) 06:18, 13 December 2019 (UTC)
 * -- 94rain  Talk  07:41, 13 December 2019 (UTC)
 * أدعم هذا المقترح بشدة. Dyolf77 (talk) 15:29, 24 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Would really be useful and most especially to new and emerging wikis. Ammarpad (talk) 16:52, 24 December 2019 (UTC)
 * . This would be really helpful for every mall wiki. Mahuton Mah3110 (talk) 00:00, 25 December 2019 (UTC)
 * . Особенно понравилось второе предложение о том, что для локальных вики ничего не изменится. На самом деле, улучшение при оставлении прежних полных прав - очень правильный шаг. Спасибо разработчикам! HalanTul (talk) 00:24, 26 December 2019 (UTC)
 * . Uziel302 (talk) 15:57, 2 January 2020 (UTC)
 * . Actually, in cawiki we're working in this line. --Amadalvarez (talk) 07:30, 3 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Obviously. There shouldn't be any opposition, especially for those who go to multiple wikis with multiple languages. —Eihel (talk) 18:55, 3 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Complete support. I was actually working on auto template translations for a while, and this should be the way to go.--Khutuck (talk) 15:27, 19 January 2020 (UTC)
 * of course, since this would make life easier for template maintainers and make things more consistent across the wikis. — AfroThundr (u · t · c) 18:07, 24 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Especially when communities have a choice of participating or not this seems like a great feature. 2001:984:F34D:1:29CC:DBF4:7704:4F57 16:56, 27 January 2020 (UTC)
 * with appreciation for ironing out technicalities to address concerns, and making it very flexible, which means powerful, without changing our current local setups. PC-XT (talk) 00:08, 29 January 2020 (UTC)
 *  Shinaimm (talk) 16:23, 11 April 2020 (UTC)
 * And my point of view coppied from here.--Krzysiek 123456789 (talk) 11:36, 19 April 2020 (UTC):
 * Hello, I have an idea to unify some templates on all wikis such as infoboxes. And each wikis would only create a linguistically relevant content for the article. This would make the translation easier. The names of the template parameters could also be translated to make it easier for editors who don't know other languages and they would work like [[file:]]. It doesn't matter what wiki we put the translation of this syntax in anyway, the file will be inserted correctly. Krzysiek 123456789 (talk) 23:02, 5 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Urgently needed. Currently, transposing a Lua-based infoboxes that source Wikidata to other projects is a nightmare, and, on practice, impossible. For COVID 19, this is a clear issue, outbreak pages numbers do not agree across projects, and commmunities with less editors lag behind. A global version of [] would help many wikis. Maybe it would be superflual for en.wikipedia, but it is something that Wikipedia as a whole needs a lot. TiagoLubiana (talk) 13:20, 27 April 2020 (UTC)
 * to reduce duplication of effort and unnecessarily clunky maintenance procedures. —Goldenshimmer (they/them)｜Talk｜Contributions 23:37, 9 May 2020 (UTC)
 * . We need it now. Nothing to lose, a lot to gain.BoldLuis (talk) 15:05, 12 May 2020 (UTC)
 * - for small wikies work of users from translatewiki and such global technical project will help a lot. I hope it will include repository with normal git (so that one will be able to make a fork of module/template, test it and apply changes with one click) and Scribunto step-by-step debugging with table of used arguments, like in Visual Studio Code (I wasn't able to make even  work in standalone version). Now many wikies copy templates from enwiki, translate it and leave unupdated - this is not good. We have many slightly different templates in different lang-sections with slightly different code which is double (triple, ... N times)  heavier to update. Global templates will be good for Wikipedia identity too - some new users or users with a specific sense of aesthetic perception use colors that do not meet the recommendations of the Wikimedia Foundation (colors that do not have sufficient contrast with the color of text and links, therefore make Wikipedia poorly accessible). Global templates will allow the Wikimedia Foundation to monitor such things better. Thus, since the amount of work that will have to be done if you work not with N templates is bigger than amount of work with one template and N translations, such a global project will free up the resources of community for improvement, and just supporting existing templates. Carn (talk) 08:01, 19 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the support, Carn
 * Some comments:
 * First, I'll assume that when you say "section", you refer to the Russian word "раздел", for which the usual English word is "an edition of a wiki in a certain language" :)
 * About Git repository: I mention this briefly in the long proposal, although I say "Gerrit" and not "Git". Templates and modules are code, so it makes sense to story them in a Git repository or something similar. However, the easiness with which templates and modules can be easily modified on wiki pages is one of their greatest strengths: a template maintainer doesn't have to learn Git commands and wait for a long review process to get something deployed. This can, and occasionally does cause problems, but it's mostly a good thing. Therefore, while having a more robust way to manage versions of templates would be nice, it must absolutely not become harder to get them deployed than it is now, and the current proposal doesn't suggest, by itself, to change this.
 * "Now many wikies copy templates from enwiki, translate it and leave unupdated - this is not good. We have many slightly different templates in different lang-sections with slightly different code which is double (triple, ... N times) heavier to update." — Yes! This is one of the main things that this proposal is trying to fix.
 * "Global templates will be good for Wikipedia identity too - some new users or users with a specific sense of aesthetic perception use colors that do not meet the recommendations of the Wikimedia Foundation (colors that do not have sufficient contrast with the color of text and links, therefore make Wikipedia poorly accessible). Global templates will allow the Wikimedia Foundation to monitor such things better." - It's true, but it's important to note that it's not supposed to be forced. It will only happen if the wiki editors communities actually want it, and they will be able to override it. --Amir E. Aharoni &#123;{🌎🌍🌏}} 13:16, 24 May 2020 (UTC)
 * by all means. Past time for this, one of the longest standing feature request families for the wikis :) Sj (talk) 19:41, 31 May 2020 (UTC)
 * N ataev talk 11:50, 4 June 2020 (UTC)
 * -- evrifaessa  ❯❯❯  talk  07:34, 18 June 2020 (UTC)
 * -- ToprakM  ✉ 07:58, 18 June 2020 (UTC)
 * The original meaning of "wiki" is just let global peoples to contribute coordinately, so why still independent? --Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 11:18, 23 June 2020 (UTC)
 * I've also checked the "oppose" section for any convincing arguments against the proposal, and reaffirmed my positive opinion about this proposal (See Amire80's response to the criticism below for details). Will actually minimize code bloat and save the cost of cross-wiki compatibility.--Nahum (talk) 11:20, 10 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Support. This would be super-helpful for many wikis. Not every community can maintain all the numerous things that are needed to maintain complicated templates, gadgets, modules etc. whose functionalities are taken for granted on big wikis like enwiki or dewiki, but unavailable without much stress elsewhere. -- MF-W 13:05, 12 July 2020 (UTC)
 * - this would help so much with the huge amount of mess on smaller language wikipedias -- Zblace (talk) 10:03, 27 July 2020 (UTC)
 * This will be a great benefit for Wikipedias with small communities. Serchia (talk) 15:33, 12 August 2020 (UTC)
 * This will be a massive help with any cross-wiki projects. Quotes on wikipedia that just transclude a quote from Wikiquote or wikisource, etc. Information across the wikimedia projects should all seek to have a "Single Source of Truth" and not be repeated in multiple places. Global templates will help with this. Supertrinko (talk) 00:17, 15 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the support and the comment! Although I do have an important thing to say about this. Implementing a Global templates repository as the current proposal suggests will probably make cross-wiki transclusion of this kind technically possible, but whether it's a good idea to actually use it this way is up to the communities. Many people thinks that it's not great to display prose stored on another wiki. The current proposal is more targeted at templates that implement features, such as "citation needed", infoboxes, citation templates, chess chart*s, etc. These features include text strings, but they are short and tightly organized, and they are more similar to software user interface or structured data than to manually-written page content. --Amir E. Aharoni &#123;{🌎🌍🌏 }} 11:46, 18 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Templates are cumbersome and adding functionality to them is not something the average editor is comfortable doing. I have been editing for the last 14 years, I am fairly technical minded and still have a hard time with templates. Anything that makes Template development, deployment and editing easier has my full support. GoEThe (talk) 14:14, 9 November 2020 (UTC)
 * --沈澄心 (talk) 13:52, 17 November 2020 (UTC)
 * I personally love this idea, it would be incredibly efficient and convenient for the Wikimedia Community. Arepticous (talk) 14:45, 17 November 2020 (UTC)
 * This is logical. I read the the back and forth below in the oppose section; and I believe the concern raised there was adequately addressed by the counterarguments presented.  &#119980; &#120084;  00:00, 22 November 2020 (UTC)
 * of everything able to globalize templates/modules. It has been shown time after time that templates are needed to be globalized. Everything that makes internationalization easier, is a big present that can be given to the technical community. - Klein Muçi (talk) 11:21, 27 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Kpjas (talk) 10:58, 9 December 2020 (UTC) Coming from Wikipedia PL (the Polish language Wikipedia) I have always wished to be able to have translated templates/modules from other Wikipedias.
 * I am working in couple of small wikis. Importing, updating and developing templates and modules is a constant pain with no end (until global templates). --KuboF Hromoslav (talk) 19:03, 14 December 2020 (UTC)
 * — Aleks Andre (talk) 10:21, 15 December 2020 (UTC)
 * — JabieroKubo (talk) 16:41, 15 December 2020 (UTC)
 * — I work on wikis like the asturian or Esperanto, this would make the work a lot easier. --Sahaquiel9102 (talk) 12:56, 18 December 2020 (UTC)
 * jes, ankaŭ mi sutenas tion, kompreneble. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.16.127.223 (User talk:79.16.127.223 • Special:Contributions/79.16.127.223) 22:47, 25 dec. 2020
 * NMaia (talk) 02:40, 26 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Should be useful to show data from Wikidata and show it localwiki with a single template, best for maintenance. A better approach than ? --Bouzinac (talk) 11:10, 11 January 2021 (UTC)
 * global templates will boost productivity of many smaller wikis. Ad Huikeshoven (talk) 12:33, 12 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Long overdue. David Wadie Fisher-Freberg (talk) 13:47, 16 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Reinvent the wheel umpteen times or more is not of the 21st century, ladies, gentlemen and others... Klaas `Z4&#x241f;` V: 11:40, 23 January 2021 (UTC)
 * I am the admin on a couple of small'ish wikis. Maintaining templates and the underlying modules that we have imported and/or copied from Wikipedia (and others) is a major maintenance headache. An initiative like this is long overdue and will benefit many wikis. I recognize it will not be easy, but the benefits will be significant. --Peculiar Investor (talk) 14:49, 23 January 2021 (UTC)
 * . Especially helpful for smaller projects! --Dick Bos (talk) 16:29, 28 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Mi apogas la proponon por informkestoj pli facilaj kaj centraj, tiel ankaŭ en la Esperanto-vikipedio estos progresaj ŝablonoj, kiuj nun mankas. Ĉar informkestoj aspektas malsame en malsamaj Vikipedioj, prilaboradi tiujn informkestojn kaj aliajn ŝablonojn estas sufiĉe malfacila tasko. I think that global templates will help very much in all wikiprojects and languages - especially in the most little. A way to create and choose local templates must absolutely remain, but as long as they are missing or if they are not complete enough it is very useful to have the global ones. Eo: Mi kredas ke mallokaj ŝablonoj multe helpos en ĉiuj vikiprojektoj kaj en ĉiuj lingvoj - precipe en la plej malgrandaj. La eblo krei kaj elekti lokajn ŝablonojn devas nepre resti, sed dum ili mankas aŭ se ili ne estas sufiĉe kompletaj estas tre utile havi la mallokajn. Alifono (talk) 20:11, 29 April 2021 (UTC)
 * The point above is made out of two comments written by the same user, and merged by myself. --Amir E. Aharoni &#123;{🌎🌍🌏}} 14:37, 3 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Psychoslave (talk) 23:26, 20 March 2021 (UTC)
 * . Rarely has the next big leap been more obvious. On many occasions, I have willfully navigated the dependency hell of having to sloppily copy dozens of interdependent templates from a larger wiki just to get an infobox to display on a small new wiki. Template management is a huge overhead for small communities. I believe that most new editors expect templates to work alike across wikis, and that menial work in this area contributes to editor discouragement. —Iketsi (talk) 15:06, 25 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Mi kredas ke mallokaj ŝablonoj multe helpos en ĉiuj vikiprojektoj kaj en ĉiuj lingvoj - precipe en la plej malgrandaj. La eblo krei kaj elekti lokajn ŝablonojn devas nepre resti, sed dum ili mankas aŭ se ili ne estas sufiĉe kompletaj estas tre utile havi la mallokajn. --- ''I think that global templates will help very much in all wikiprojects and languages - especially in the most little. A way to create and choose local templates must absolutely remain, but as long as they are missing or if they are not complete enough it is very useful to have the global ones.--Rdelre (talk) 19:28, 28 March 2021 (UTC)
 * --So9q (talk) 21:04, 1 April 2021 (UTC)
 * In running Not Wikilambda, I’ve become acutely aware of how painful it is to use a wiki without the comfort of templates we often take for granted. --Lucas Werkmeister (talk) 16:43, 10 April 2021 (UTC)
 * ✍️ Dušan Kreheľ (talk) 19:53, 11 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Mi tre ŝatus tion. Eine solche Template-Standard-Library hätte ich auf verschiedenen kleinen Wikis schon gut gebrauchen können, um nicht von Null beginnen oder sinnvolle Templates (samt aller Dependencies) händisch kopieren zu müssen. Having a global collection of widely applicable templates (and being able to use those templates right away) would have been so useful in these cases. -- Das-g (talk) 20:57, 16 April 2021 (UTC)
 * it will hurt ... --Frettie (talk) 06:52, 20 April 2021 (UTC)
 * this will be great --Dominikmatus (talk) 08:13, 22 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Would deliver a new tool on the size of Wikimedia Commons. Would be quite useful.--Paracel63 (talk) 10:47, 23 April 2021 (UTC)
 * --Sabelöga (talk) 11:20, 23 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Giridhar (talk) 13:50, 29 April 2021 (UTC)
 * יונה בנדלאק (talk) 06:08, 6 May 2021 (UTC)
 * TheDesertboy (talk) 10:56, 6 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Standardisation is good and this can only help smaller wikipedias — OwenBlacker | Discussion 11:39, 24 June 2021 (UTC)
 * DarwIn (talk) 11:40, 24 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Tiputini (talk) 15:28, 24 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Iñaki LL (talk) 15:34, 26 June 2021 (UTC)
 * שי אבידן (talk) 05:32, 5 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Varlin (talk) 16:18, 13 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Varlin (talk) 16:18, 13 July 2021 (UTC)