Talk:Flow/Design/Iteration 3

spage comments
From peering at the screen at the walkthrough: -- S Page (WMF) (talk) 22:47, 18 September 2013 (UTC)
 * The down-arrow for more choices looks like the collapser from Jorm prototype.
 * Liquid Threads, Jorm prototype, and current code all have expand/collapse of replies, it seems gone from this version (!?).
 * This is partially answered in this old post on the private mailing list, and partially in the iteration 1 notes, but nothing concrete yet (as the mailing list says). –Quiddity (talk) 17:19, 19 September 2013 (UTC)
 * I know we keep waffling back and fourth on collapsable or not, at the moment we're leaning toward no collapsing in the MVP release Jared Zimmerman (talk) 17:28, 19 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Eventually we want people to be able to star/unstar (watch) certain items (topics in Jorm's prototype) so they appear in their personal feed or whatever.
 * in current Flow extension code: it shows most recent reply first, but I believe we want newest reply at the bottom.
 * I'm confused about levels from the mockups. In Jorm prototype and current code, a topic is the title and the initial text, any amd all replies fit under that. But it looks like in this iteration anyone can contribute new top-level items under the subject.
 * The Iteration 2 mockups showed "10 conversations" and "34 conversations" but did not show nearly that many. Will there be separate [Show more posts/conversations (on this topic)] and [Load more topics (in this board)] loaders?
 * In the first full topic, it shows 4 participants, but states there are 3 participants! I suspect these are "thin air" numbers, for design mockup purposes, ie. inexact. –Quiddity (talk) 17:19, 19 September 2013 (UTC)

Trickster comments

 * 1 landing:
 * At the top, I think structuring it as "questions/ask" is probably limiting compared to actual talkpage usage.
 * We can explore alternate prompts that are friendly and inviting for users to participate Jared Zimmerman (talk) 05:05, 20 September 2013 (UTC)


 * How recognized is "Mins" as a contraction? Enwiki tends to attract a fairly international audience
 * Good question, sounds like something that will come up when real users start to interact if there is an issue Jared Zimmerman (talk) 05:05, 20 September 2013 (UTC)


 * The indenting between "Boiled "Alive"?" and the actual first comment seems pretty arbitrary; with every other element, indenting is taken to mean "these two things are distinct". I worry this might cause (at least, initial) confusion - it certainly did for me.
 * Not sure i understand, do you mean indenting or spacing? there isn't any indenting at the first level, only the "tangent" level Jared Zimmerman (talk) 05:05, 20 September 2013 (UTC)


 * Is "state and explain your point" not meant to be at the bottom of the thread?
 * Yes, this is a change that was proposed in our meeting, that we are already planning on integrating Jared Zimmerman (talk) 05:05, 20 September 2013 (UTC)


 * "34 conversations"? Surely that's posts rather than conversations? Conversations would imply different threads.
 * the number was just an arbitrary one in the mock up, the number would be the number of posts, although we'll need to decide on language (posts/conversations/messages/something else?)Jared Zimmerman (talk) 05:05, 20 September 2013 (UTC)


 * 2 mouseover:
 * I still find the placement of the thank tag confusing; presumably it represents "thank the user for this comment", but it doesn't look like a button, just an icon.
 * Like the other icons and actions, this is still a work in progress, we've discussed trying an A/B test with text label, icons, or a mixJared Zimmerman (talk) 05:05, 20 September 2013 (UTC)


 * Why are some thank icons different colours? To distinguished thanked/not thanked? (This is why we need a prototype ;p)
 * The green version i believe is the "clicked" state Jared Zimmerman (talk) 05:05, 20 September 2013 (UTC)


 * No mouseover hints for topic hidden? I.e., how to unhide it, how to read it without/before unhiding.
 * This is yet to be designed, we're waiting for an Audit from Oliver to finish this part Jared Zimmerman (talk) 05:05, 20 September 2013 (UTC)


 * 3 MoreActions:
 * Suppress/delete have been discussed; hiding them behind a flag button is not going to work.
 * As with other things (threading) it might be best to start in a place that is very different than where we are now, and evaluate how people interact with it in real world situations Jared Zimmerman (talk) 05:05, 20 September 2013 (UTC)


 * If we're going to have keyboard shortcuts, that needs to be discussed - actions we really don't want to shortcut to, how we deal with shortcuts reserved by other parts of MediaWiki (or the underlying browser/OS), how we deal with OS keyboard issues and localisation.
 * this is not planned as part of the MVP release, so we have some time to think about it. Jared Zimmerman (talk) 05:05, 20 September 2013 (UTC)

--Ironholds (talk) 21:06, 19 September 2013 (UTC)

More spage feedback

 * Shouldn't [Load more] in a topic show how many are hidden?
 * Is [Load more] only for replies to a top-level post on a topic, or might the topics also show [Load more]?

Questions/resolutions from 2013-09-25 Flow story review and estimation

 * Is number of levels a toe in the water or a definite decision? (okeyes)
 * Iteration 3 looks like topic header with title only, top-level posts on it, and posts in reply to those &mdash; two levels of comments.
 * Does a user reply to a topic title or a topic title + first post?
 * Note reply behavior is shown in mouseOver png
 * May has mobile view in development
 * Note that desktop without JavaScript also means no hover state, but mobile is different in that it won't even allow some of the actions shown in the mouseOver state.
 * Handle redlinks and images getting moved/deleted (new card #261)

Things we're not doing for this iteration

 * Navigation and filtering Active | History | [Search] top bar
 * mentioned on card #166 "Board history", but History here is more an alternative filter for a user's feed.
 * what to do if no JavaScript? (existing card #62)
 * Thank/unthank workflow (Thank button [Green smiley]) card #134
 * Browsers besides Firefox, Chrome, and Safari -- action item
 * "Don't worry about the right-hand moderation actions" —Maryana (but still want edit pencil icon).
 * Implement [Load more] within a topic. We would do this in JavaScript. (new card #262)
 * - I don't think we should do this.--Jorm (WMF) (talk) 04:32, 26 September 2013 (UTC)