VisualEditor/Feedback/LQT Archive 1

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 Your feedback about the visual editor developer prototype

This page is a place for you to tell the Wikimedia developers what issues you encounter when using the visual editor sandbox. Please note that this is still an early prototype which cannot yet edit or save existing pages and has many known issues. We do welcome your feedback and ideas, especially on some of the early user interface decisions we're making!

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Some feedback by German users here: de:Wikipedia Diskussion:Kurier

Usability
It's great that you're working on a visual editor.

I've trained non-technical people on wikis and I know there is a strong reluctance for people to do any editing once they see the wiki-markup.

In this spirit, I might suggest putting the 'advanced editor' tools like Wikitext View, JSON View, etc under a single drop-down. My sense is people will see those options, not understand what they mean and decide not to touch anything for fear they'll break it.

I look forward to showing people how easy it is to use the simplified editor.

Upload and Insert Images in one step
Brilliant work! It still lacks some tools, like insert images, videos, audio and documents (pdf, xls, etc) Insert an image or any file from our computer is a complicated process in mediawiki. For common people is almost impossible.

It is so different to the that people get used to in windows and mac applications. In mediawiki you have to click on a link at the sidebar (not in the Editor toolbar) to upload. After that, you have to copy the file name and close the dialog. Then you click in the button to insert. Then you substitute the "File:Example.jpg" by the name previouly copied.

Compare this to the way Wordpress 3.3.1 Editor implemented. They made it so easy to insert images in one single button, one single step! Why don't you use that code? It is well written and it is free. With a few changes you could use that stable and tested code to quickly implement a very useful feature to Visual Editor.

The step by stepUpload Wizard with image copyright may be good for Wikipedia, but is an extension of unnecessary complexity, useless in many other wikis like the one I am developing for fifty thousand users in an intranet environment.

Upload and insert images should be as simple as Wordpress implemented so well in their visual editor.

Side-by-side view: same heading always at same position
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Great editor! When I scroll the same document down in side-by-side view, it is scrolled down in both views at once. That is good. However, because the Wiki (old) mode take more space than the direct-editing mode, the headings are no long parallel after a while; at the bottom, the Wiki mode will go on down for a long while after the direct mode has already ended and become whitespace.

I propose that headings should be automatically fixed; that is, if the same paragraph is shorter in one mode, whitespace should be added (only visually) so that the next heading will be at the exact same height in both sides of the window when you scroll.

It may be even better to add whitespace after each paragraph: then each parallel paragraph will always be at the same height, so that you can easily compare the two sides.

However, this should be optional, because sometime you might want to check alignment of pictures and such: perhaps a check box would be good. Cerberus™ (talk) 13:07, 25 February 2012 (UTC)

Templates, tables, etc
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the visual editor looks great, and is an amazing step forward. Is there any plan to implement tables and templates in it, somehow? Ethan1701 (talk) 23:49, 25 February 2012 (UTC)

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188.23.190.164 19:18, 27 February 2012 (UTC)

Pictures?
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What about pictures? I do not see any rendering and any writing support to add or view the image. :c( 193.179.187.70 15:14, 29 February 2012 (UTC)

Incredible
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Much more simple, congrats 78.228.158.16 10:11, 2 March 2012 (UTC)

Blinking cursor is annoying
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131.254.12.69 13:31, 2 March 2012 (UTC)

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213.214.44.69 14:31, 2 March 2012 (UTC)

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Super ! 90.11.49.127 21:35, 2 March 2012 (UTC)

How do I save changes?
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The visual editor is fantastic! I'm actually delaying a local writing contest for the participants to be able to use this editor, which is far easier to grasp.

I only failed to find a way to save the changes I've made. If it's supposed to be so, please ignore my question and remember that you're cool. ליאור (talk) 21:16, 8 March 2012 (UTC)

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190.20.25.9 23:39, 8 March 2012 (UTC)

Paste from Word
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MediaWiki gets used in a lot of different environments and in many different ways. In areas where I have first-hand knowledge of its use outside of Wikipedia, there is a huge need for people to be able to paste information into the edit window from other sources, particularly Microsoft Word or Excel, and have the formatting stick. Currently, things like bold, bullets, headings don't convey at all and this leaves editors very frustrated. Having the ability to drop formatted text into the edit window is vitally important to the future of the MediaWiki baseline. 66.170.96.240 19:31, 10 March 2012 (UTC)

Query
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Will it be possible to completely disable this new edit toolbar? The new visual text editor appears to be much more browser resource intensive. In addition, it appears the visual editor doesn't convert wikicode. There is no easy way to add formatted text, making this more difficult to edit than the current system. The only way to add bullets/headings is through the toolbar at the top, drastically slowing down the speed someone can format an article. Alpha Quadrant   talk    22:37, 12 March 2012 (UTC)

Copy Paste behaviour
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The visual editor currently used by Wikia allows pasting text copied from an html document into the editor, and the formatting is retained, and converted into wiki-markup.

The current VisualEditorSandbox does not have that behaviour. I like the Wikia copy/paste behaviour because it is a quick way to get tables and complex nested lists, etc, into mediawiki documents.

Could this behaviour be considered for mediawiki's visual editor?

thanks Dennis J Dennis J au (talk) 15:02, 22 March 2012 (UTC)

Working nice
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this looks good. 92.50.79.13 15:44, 22 March 2012 (UTC)

Link creation
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OK, so the next step would be able to preview the link created and also interactively select them. We want to be able to build up a list of links on the page. I really think this would be a cool feature. 92.50.79.13 15:51, 22 March 2012 (UTC)

Release/Prerelease Date?
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When are you planning to release a version?

62.99.210.9 09:21, 26 March 2012 (UTC)