Talk:Streamlined Infoboxes

Glanceable and collapse
Regarding the goal of "Must be glanceable", and the compacted-sections used in one of the mockups, I'll briefly enumerated some of the reasons (and examples) why Collapse/Hide can be "considered harmful": Other reasons that collapsed/hidden information is bad, include:
 * The "collapsible" code, that originated (iirc) in footer-navboxes, is frequently mis-used to bury a dispute - hiding something, rather than discussing whether it belongs in the article or not. It spread to Infobox Writer's "Influences/Influenced" section ([//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Anton_Chekhov&oldid=562092653]). It spread to data-tables in articles ([//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Hong_Kong&oldid=563977590#Geography_and_climate], [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Standard_Model&oldid=563932513#Theoretical_aspects], [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=New_York_City&oldid=564811853#New_York_City_Global_Partners_network]). It briefly spread to Image galleries (Draw Mohammed Day, Gangrene) and still occasionally crops up ([//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Daniel_Webster&oldid=558265329#On_U.S._Postage]). It has now spread to entire infoboxes ([//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Ian_Fleming&oldid=564483881],[//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Little_Moreton_Hall&oldid=561213897],[//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:WhatLinksHere/Template:Collapsed_infobox_section_begin&hidelinks=1]...).
 * For editors:
 * errors, or vandalism, are harder to detect, because less editor-eyeballs will see it
 * For readers:
 * low accessibility (for users with vision problems, or dexterity problems)
 * less likely to see the info, as it requires interaction (effort)
 * less likely to see the info, as they might have never clicked a [Show] link before (discoverability). Also [Show] looks very similar to [Edit] in fuzzy-outline, which readers are accustomed to subconsciously filtering out.

However. To take the devil's advocate side, perhaps we should be encouraging/experimenting with interactive elements? It might be good to encourage readers to explore more, or to learn more through active-participation. (or be more likely to click [edit]...). I've asked at w:Wikipedia:Village pump (miscellaneous) to find out what else currently exists. Quiddity (talk) 18:27, 1 August 2013 (UTC)