Talk:Community Tech team/Community Wishlist Survey

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I suppose this and maybe this (and probably some other pages) will taken into consideration. --Edgars2007 (talk) 13:19, 20 August 2015 (UTC)
 * The Community Tech project ideas page is a good page to propose and discuss ideas for the survey. We won't automatically be taking suggestions from that page though. They will need to be formally submitted as proposals during the survey. The Technische Wünsche survey is a similar survey to this one, but scoped specifically to the German Wikipedia. The WMDE TCB team is going to be conducting another Technische Wünsche survey around the same time as ours and we are actively coordinating with them to make sure it isn't going to be confusing for the German community. I imagine there will be a fair amount of overlap in the requests, but it will be up to community members whether or not they want to submit requests in both places. Kaldari (talk) 16:49, 24 August 2015 (UTC)

Re: most of them have not been sorted/prioritized
Bugzilla votes did sort requests. --Nemo 08:24, 22 August 2015 (UTC)
 * That's true, although only a small percentage of community members used bugzilla (and now Phabricator). We looked at the top-voted Bugzilla bugs for our last sprint, but most of them seem to be epic bugs that are too large for our current team to take on anyway. Kaldari (talk) 16:55, 24 August 2015 (UTC)

Voting process
There should probably be a filter, i.e. only proposals with 2? 3? N? endorsements are put up for vote. --Nemo 08:36, 22 August 2015 (UTC)
 * That's probably a good idea. Kaldari (talk) 16:56, 24 August 2015 (UTC)

Translation
Translation is not trivial. I suggest you ask the help of a WMF person experienced in translation administration to lay out a precise plan. --Nemo 08:36, 22 August 2015 (UTC)

Concerns
I think it is great that in WMF there is a team now that is collecting the needs from the community and turns this in software improvements. This sounds to me as a great improvement.

About the survey I have some thoughts. Concerning the section Outreach, I am not sure how many wikis have such, but there still exist technical ambassadors who serve as an intermediate between the tech and the community. From the tech side the ambassador translates software changes into text with enough contest and clear wording for local users on wikis, and informs the community about software changes and more. From the community side the tech ambassador translates problems, issues, feedback and more to the tech side. For the Dutch wikis I serve as technical ambassador to have the interaction tech-community go more smoothly.

Abouth the sections of Phase 1 & 2 I am concerned. The way it is suggested to be set up now is that the proposals with the most votes win. First of all, large wikis & communities have more people to submit proposals and more people to vote. So it seems that this is becoming a popularity contest, which is the wrong direction. In the Dutch community it happens a lot that users are against certain software, until they tried, and the other way round happens as well. Basing a voting on what people like can easily become unbalanced because of various factors. Also what matters to one person, does not have to matter to another person (like because he doesn't do anything with it), while it can be essential to another.

Also I think that the survey is missing an important factor: what level of importance does a certain software have. This can't be determined by a voting. The determination can vary, but I see three different importancy levels:
 * 1) software that is broken or cause troubles, while it is essential
 * 2) software that is missing and needed to get a core process running
 * 3) software that is helpful, extra, handy, but not part of a core process

That still level ones exist is a piece of past heritage, sadly.

Another subject that recently came up is the subject of continuity. One of the largest announces I notice is that users see that software is no longer maintained, but still like to use it, are getting very annoyed. This is not an issue that is incidental, it is a structural problem.

In general speaking I am happy with the team and the survey, but I think it will need some improvements before it can be used in a balanced way. Romaine (talk) 00:47, 26 August 2015 (UTC)