User talk:Kaganer

[Start]
Hello Kaganer, welcome to mediawiki.org and many thanks for all your help up to now! Please let me know if you find other messages that need translation. A simple list e.g. on my talk page would be sufficiant, you do not have to create the single texts on dozens of talk pages then :-) -- :Bdk: 19:48, 10 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Thanks for help. In future, i shall disturb to you ;) Generally, majority of messages are translated by means of language file. Need translate only messages customized in this wiki.--Kaganer 21:38, 10 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Hey Kaganer, you don't have to ask me regarding changes in the MediaWiki namespace from now on ;-) I've made you a sysop some minutes ago. Welcomed aboard :-) -- :Bdk: 22:50, 20 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Oops ! ;( I knew, that all will end with it... I leave to learn English... --Kaganer 07:11, 22 October 2007 (UTC)
 * :-)) -- :Bdk: 12:45, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

Быстрый старт
Я думаю создать упрощенную справку (в виде скриншотов) по установке Mediawiki. Так сказать, для полных чайников. Не запрещено ли создать статью состоящую из примерно 10 скриншотов, причем текста будет мало? --сказал Человек-кирпич
 * Тут нет строгих запретов. Просто регламент работы с разделами "Help:" и "Maqnula:" таков, что основными считаются страницы на английском языке, а остальные - лишь переводами. Так что можно всё, просто не с ходу стараться интегрировать свои материалы в основной корпус текстов. Сделай пока русскую и английскую версии этого "step-by-step" руководства у себя в личном пр-ве, потом предложим как дополнение к Manual:Installation guide. В любом случае, пристроим куда-нибудь. --Kaganer 13:22, 28 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Attention, сейчас установщик переписывается с нуля, так что писать на него документацию в данный момент — бессмысленно. Max Semenik 14:22, 28 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Ага. спасибо - ну, тогда, наверное, стоит отложить до релиза... --Kaganer 15:59, 28 June 2010 (UTC)

Help:Formatting/ru
Я еще раз поменял раздел Help:Formatting/ru, в этот раз в обоих колонках и без очепяток :) В анг. варианте указывается как получить Предварительно отформатированный текст а в предыдущем переводе нет, имхо не все догадаются. Хотя последние слово за тобой.


 * Да почему же за мной? На самом деле, я при сравнении перепутал, какой вариант чей ;) Твой лучше (особенно, без опечаток);) --Kaganer 23:41, 2 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Кстати, если посмотреть на Project:Translation/ru, видно, как много всего нужно перевести или проверить и улучшить. Это намёк ;) --Kaganer 23:44, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

Координация работ по переводу на русский
Спасибо! Присоединился ))) помогу чем смогу.
 * Отлично! --Kaganer 16:43, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Синхронизация с английским оригиналом - да, я смотрю каждый раз на изменения в англоязычной версии. --Guanchzhou The Beautiful 09:16, 3 February 2009 (UTC)

Как корректно переименовать свой вики-сайт
я совсем недавно создал вики-сайт ГРЭМПИС и честно говоря понятия не имел, что Википедия - это торговая марка. Также не знал насчет логотипа. Когда я ставил движок MediaWiki, он сам мне предложил название Википедия, я только добавил ГРЭМПИС Логотип поменяю, небольшая проблема, а как быть с названием - ведь оно участвует и во множестве ссылок? Как лучше переименовать? Есть ли что-то в maintenance скриптах? Wp walker 13:14, 19 June 2009 (UTC)

Вопрос
Вы не знаете, в связи с чем на MediaWiki.org используется текущая многоязыковая система (а не система языковых разделов, как в остальных проектах Фонда Викимедиа)? Намного удобнее было бы создание отдельного раздела наподобие ru.mediawiki.org, поскольку это избавило бы как от необходимости использовать английские категории с постфиксом «/ru», а также обеспечило бы более удобное использование ссылок на версии на других языках (интервики, автоматически управлять которыми умеет стандартный бот против используемого варианта с шаблоном ). --Grigol 17:58, 1 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Не могу сказать, что точно знаю, почему именно так, но могу объяснить ;) Это та же система, что и на Мета-Вики, и в других мета-проектах (Стратегия, Юзабилити и т.п.). Она эффективна, когда содержимое содержательно идентично, но может быть представлено на разных языках (причём объём представления на разных языках отличается). Это - в противовес "языковым разделам" (Википедия и другие "образовательные" проекты), где частично синхронизируется только словник, а собственно содержание порой существенно различается.
 * Текущая схема позволяет вести актуальный "референсный" корпус статей на английском и подставлять эти тексты в тех случаях, когда есть лакуны в переводах. Кроме того, часть содержимого в принципе лучше не переводить (всякие рабочие дискуссии и заметки или примечания к релизам), чтобы не множить сущности.
 * Кроме того, фактически отсутствуют самостоятельные языковые сообщества разработчиков/редакторов, которые оправдали бы деление по разделам. По факту - это сообщество едино и интернационально.--Kaganer 21:29, 1 January 2010 (UTC)

Серебропедия
Сайт открылся. Пока не обновился кеш (до суток), может не работать у некоторых провайдеров. Volfraz 17:37, 14 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Ну открылся и открылся. Тут нет никаких критериев значимости, так что и такие сайты могут присутствовать, наверное. --Kaganer 18:03, 14 March 2010 (UTC)

Reply
Hello Kaganer, and thanks for your kindness! I will necessarily request sysop rights here.I'm sure u are happy that u have joined this so how are you today?

"int:" vs "MediaWiki:" in PD Help
Hi Kaganer, I used to think similarly, but please read this reversal of my changes on 12 Jan 2010 at 18:38, by ^demon: http://www.mediawiki.org/w/index.php?title=Help:Preferences&action=history. Thinking about it, the use of "int:" produces messages in the user's target language but in the middle of a page in English, a mix of languages which doesn't make much sense. So, I believe ^demon's idea is that we use "MediaWiki:message" in the English original, and "MediaWiki:message/ru" in the Russian PD Help, "MediaWiki:message/pt" in the Portuguese PD Help and so on. Hamilton Abreu 21:43, 1 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Hmm. Yes, it is understandable way, but I do not agree with him (But probably should not have to localized of section headings). I posted a request to the community here. --Kaganer 00:39, 2 May 2010 (UTC)
 * PS: Thanks for pt-news support ;) I start develop of unified translation portal design - see User:Kaganer/TPstyle (temporary used my personal css styles). Welcome to advice and criticism ;) --Kaganer 00:45, 2 May 2010 (UTC)
 * The portal design looks good. It took me some time to understand that we had all of these different areas (project pages, PD help pages, manual, etc.), and what each of them meant. The new design should make it easier for everyone coming in later. Hamilton Abreu 16:06, 2 May 2010 (UTC)

Hello!
Could you please delete some pages I tagged as ? Thank you. --Diego Grez return fire 23:20, 27 May 2010 (UTC)
 * All are delete by User:BRUTE;) Thanks;) --Kaganer 08:07, 28 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Sorry I hurried, I did't see Diego's request here. :D –BruTe 10:07, 28 May 2010 (UTC)
 * np ;) I go to the wiki-break to 22.06. Rot Front ;) --Kaganer 10:32, 28 May 2010 (UTC)

re: Unreviewed /pt pages & Editor rights
Reply. Thanks Kaganer. Hamilton Abreu 10:59, 28 June 2010 (UTC)

Просьба
Добрый день. Хотел бы попросить о разблокировке своей учетной записи Fauust. Имхо, бессрочка за возвращение правки откаченной без всяких аргументов, это не очень справедливо. Тем более, что Вы вроде бы не возражали даже против серебропедии и говорили, что здесь нет четких критериев значимости. (diff).

Впрочем, ссылку я более возвращать не буду. C надеждой на ответ, Fauust.
 * Хорошо. Свобода действий на mw.org балансируется довольно узкой тематикой и отсутствием формальных правил и ограничений (в т.ч. и для админ. действий). Соответственно, не нужно жаловаться на несоразмерность реакции на вроде бы невинные шалости. Я не разделяю подхода, когда рубят сплеча, однако не вижу возможности защищать тех, кто норовит достать фигу из кармана. Я понятно выразился? Любая попытка привнести сюда следы идеологических склок с любого внешнего ресурса (в т.ч. и из других проектов Викимедиа) будет, скорее всего, пресечена таким же образом. Добивайтесь, чтобы этот ваш сайт заработал такую репутацию, чтобы его исключили из спам-листа. Тогда он и здесь появится. --Kaganer 00:25, 17 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Гранмерси. Все вполне понятно. Fauust 00:44, 17 December 2010 (UTC)

Unreviewed /pt-br pages & Editor rights
Hi Kaganer, could you please grant me editor rights for pt-br also? There have been some edits to pt-br pages that are being left unreviewed. Sometime in the future we'll consider revoking those and granting them to User:Fabsouza1, if he continues his late activity. Thanks, Hamilton Abreu 23:01, 8 April 2011 (UTC)
 * You already have the technical right to do that. Just review whatever you feel comfortable to. Max Semenik 05:45, 9 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Ok Max, for some reason I didn't see the review box, so assumed I couldn't. Thanks. Hamilton Abreu 06:19, 14 April 2011 (UTC)
 * I think that review box is available only in "Help:" and "Manual:" namespaces... --Kaganer 09:34, 14 April 2011 (UTC)

Ограниченный доступ для анонимов
Добрый день. Незнаю куда обратиться, поэтому спрашиваю у вас. Есть ли возможность на своём проекте при запрете редактирования статей незарегистрированным разрешить им редактировать страницы обсуждений? Зелёный Кошак 20:20, 2 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Да, разумеется. Нужно просто не делать глобальных запретов на редактирование, а явно задать права для каждого пр-ва имён через $wgNamespaceProtection. См. Manual:Preventing_access, Help:User_rights. --Kaganer 20:50, 2 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Спасибо. Зелёный Кошак 15:33, 3 June 2011 (UTC)


 * Hi Kaganer. Could you please refer to here? Thanks. --Zack 12:55, 28 August 2011 (UTC)

CAPTCHA
Здравствуйте! Мне хотелесь бы посмотреть исходный код генерации капчи-картинки, которая доступна при регистрации. Можно конечно и самому это всё отыскать, но не хочется тратить много времени. Пожалуйста, напишите здесь, в какой строке и в каком файле она генерируется. --Gutheiler 09:54, 31 January 2012 (UTC)
 * За это отвечает расширение Extension:ConfirmEdit. Насколько я могу судить, Викимедиа использует режим "FancyCaptcha" ("$IP/extensions/ConfirmEdit/FancyCaptcha.php"). Думаю, что всё остальное вы найдёте самостоятельно (тем более, что мне это всё придётся искать точно так же). --Kaganer 16:23, 31 January 2012 (UTC)

How to revert translations
Hi! An unregistered user just did some spanish translations totally wrong. They were put directly from an automated translation tool and they're completely misleading and nonsense (some of them were already well translated, maybe they were a bit outdated, I don't know. Is there an option to revert all of them in one edit instead of revert each translatable section? I'd like to translate them but at this moment I don't have the time. But having them untranslated or outdated would be better than with such a wrong translation. --Ciencia Al Poder (talk) 09:45, 9 April 2013 (UTC)

Help:Editing pages
Hello, could you migrate this help page to Translate extension, please? We plan to link it by default from MediaWiki core (62337). --Nemo 20:48, 5 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Done. Please help me with importing of current translatons. --Kaganer (talk) 09:14, 24 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Ok. I start from the beginning of the alphabetical list and you from the end? --Nemo 09:21, 24 May 2013 (UTC)
 * I start from my language, and after this - from the end (at night). --Kaganer (talk) 09:30, 24 May 2013 (UTC)
 * PS: What me to doing with Help:Editing_pages/zh-tw version? Delte it? --Kaganer (talk) 09:51, 24 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Yes, deleted. I've done the remaining 12 out of 20 languages, now we're ready to link it. :) Thank you! --Nemo 11:48, 29 May 2013 (UTC)

Help:Notifications
Hello! Could you please mark this for translation? Thank you. πr2 (t • c) 16:33, 29 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Done, but please compare Help:Extension:Echo and Help:Notifications - these currenly indentically. Why do so? --Kaganer (talk) 21:00, 29 July 2013 (UTC)


 * Hello Kaganer, thanks so much for requesting translations of the Help:Notifications page! The main reason I created this separate page from Help:Extension:Echo is because the name of this new tool is 'Notifications' ('Echo' is the project code-name, which we used for the extension as well, but should not be used for end-users, who will not understand what it means). In other words, this page should be called 'Help:Notifications' -- not 'Help:Extension:Echo'. I also cleaned up some of the links, to make them work even when the pages are copied to another project. Does this answer your question? Do you have any further recommendations? Fabrice Florin (WMF) (talk) 23:28, 29 July 2013 (UTC)
 * In this case, page should be renamed, but no duplicated. Currently, Help:Extension:Echo should be deleted or re-writed, with "see also" link to Help:Notifications. NB: see new page Help:Extension:Echo/fr - maybe this should be translation of Help:Notifications? --Kaganer (talk) 22:34, 1 August 2013 (UTC)

Project:Language policy/Migration list
Hello, translation administrator! Can you please watchlist this page? I hope to get some work done in the next few months. :)

Specifically for the next few weeks, I proposed translation migration as task for Google Code-in students, so we'll hopefully see some help coming from there. You don't need to do anything special: just check there or on Special:PageTranslation if there are pages to mark for translation and do so if they're ok, as usual. If you wish, however, in addition to that you can monitor the list more closely so that students are mentored and assisted even more quickly. Thank you very much, Nemo 19:06, 20 November 2013 (UTC)
 * Ok, thanks for notice. --Kaganer (talk) 17:09, 27 January 2014 (UTC)

Please marked VisualEditor/Portal/TemplateData for translation
Zdrabstbiche! and thanks for your job at MediaWikiWiki.

I edit VisualEditor/Portal/TemplateData because go wrong image's aspect ratio when view by smartphone(Android).

So please marked for translation. --Mytrajectory22 (talk) 09:22, 2 March 2014 (UTC)
 * , done. --Kaganer (talk) 00:56, 3 March 2014 (UTC)


 * , thanks. --Mytrajectory22 (talk) 18:03, 3 March 2014 (UTC)

Mass tvar additions
caused, are you sure it's a good idea to make such mass markup changes resulting in mass invalidations? --Nemo 20:17, 25 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Yes, I am guilty. I was going to fix myself all translations, but fell and I was not up to it. I will correct all related translations. By the way, these translations were not quite so are valid, so this is good reason to check and update it. --Kaganer (talk) 07:23, 26 March 2014 (UTC)

Brazillian Portuguese
Hi, I'm from Brazil and i'm translating many MediaWiki pages into my language. I saw that you translated those pages too. Do you understand my language a little? Best regards. - Fabiano (Fabsouza1) (talk) 14:39, 26 March 2014 (UTC)
 * It will be correct to say that I do not understand ;) I translate only into Russian; with other languages​​, I'm doing only technical changes related to translations-administrative tasks ( - my typical contribution). With the help of Google-translator and my general knowledge I quite willingly guided in all languages with writing ​​based on the Latin alphabet. --Kaganer (talk) 10:55, 27 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Please mark "Manual:php.ini" for translation. Thank you. Best regards. - Fabiano (Fabsouza1) (talk) 02:53, 2 April 2014 (UTC)
 * Done. --Kaganer (talk) 17:32, 3 April 2014 (UTC)

Extension:ShortUrl
Please, mark the remaining parts of the Extension:ShortUrl article for translation. Best regards.
 * Remainngs parts - is Template:WikimediaDownload and Template:ExtensionInstall; these not migrated yet. Please create translations in the "old style". --Kaganer (talk) 16:47, 15 April 2014 (UTC)
 * I was thinking about translating those templates in that "old style", anyway. Thanks - Fabiano (Fabsouza1) (talk) 23:42, 19 April 2014 (UTC)

Template:Tool
Dear Kaganer, please mark the Tool template for translation. Best regards. - Fabiano (Fabsouza1) (talk) 23:38, 19 April 2014 (UTC)

Mark for Translation
Dear Kaganer, please mark the page Manual:Coding conventions for translation. Thank you. Best regards. - Fabsouza1 (talk) 20:57, 17 May 2014 (UTC)

По поводу перевода
Много начатых потому что есть предложения и слова которые не могу перевести. Буду стараться переводить целиком..
 * Meshkov.a, отвечайте у себя (если начать ответ со ссылки на страницу участника, то он увидит это в своих уведомлениях)
 * Если есть вопросы - задавайте
 * Если не разбираетесь в теме, не переводите (чтобы не получался смысл, обратный исходному)
 * Подписывайтесь после своих реплик в обсуждениях (подпись вставляет кнопка с карандашиком в панели инструментов, третья слева)
 * --Kaganer (talk) 08:00, 23 May 2014 (UTC)

Template:Ll
Very interesting. I will use it from now on. - Fabsouza1 (talk) 14:38, 1 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Fabsouza1, this code from Wikidata, and it's very useful. I try to maintain this series of templates synchronously between Meta-wiki, Commons and Wikidata... --Kaganer (talk) 20:46, 3 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the sync, the docs and the message. I've only read quickly, I'll check the differences later. It would be very nice if you could, for each template which you think is the best of its kind across the wikis, file an enhancement request against Translate where you describe what it does and how it's used. Some features could then be offered by Translate, once we understand which are the most needed and generic ones. See for instance the patch which is up for categories, 148759. --Nemo 09:37, 13 August 2014 (UTC)
 * '#translation' - is best idea, these may eliminate of ifTranslation / ifNotTranslation. --Kaganer (talk) 10:35, 13 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Glad you like it. The patch was just merged and for now I marked 68385 fixed; can you please update langcat, translation and others to make use of #translation, when it's live (that is this evening, AFAICS)? --Nemo 07:50, 14 August 2014 (UTC)
 * As soon... --Kaganer (talk) 15:29, 14 August 2014 (UTC)
 * This is worked, but this is not completely comfortable :( See my last comments in . --Kaganer (talk) 12:13, 15 August 2014 (UTC)

Special:PageMigration
Can you give me a quick explanation of how Special:PageMigration page works? I have not tested it. - Fabsouza1 (talk) 16:50, 13 September 2014 (UTC)
 * Dear Fabsouza1, this explanation for You:
 * This page may be used after a certain page has been marked for translation and after FuzzyBot walked all language versions.
 * Note: Migration will be easier if you first (before the mark to translation) check whether existing translations are similar to the original English text, and manually edit the structure of pages - to break paragraphs and lists, add the missing headers (even if empty).
 * Special:PageMigration initially contains two input fields:
 * for name of translatable page (without language postfix)
 * for language code for which you want to import the old translation
 * Press 'Import' button, and you see two columns with translation units
 * at the left - the original English text
 * at the right - the old translation mapped (as possible - by paragraphs and headers) with a new English text.
 * All units at the right column is editable and moveable - to the right of each pair of elements is three icons for actions:
 * "+" - add empty section after (below) the current (all of the underlying will move down)
 * "↴" - interchanged with the next unit
 * "trash can" - delete this unit (all of the underlying will move up); this irrevocable action
 * After the required manual improvements, press 'Save' button and please wait for some time. While the button remains gray background, there is a process of import non-empty units. Once the button again became colored - import completed.
 * Afterparty 1: I usually check the result in the core translation interface - some of the units may be immediately marked as obsolete because of errors markup or if not all of the variable was added.
 * Afterparty 2: Translation of the page title will have to add it manually - I usually look to see if it among the "links here" or something of redirections.
 * --Kaganer (talk) 10:10, 14 September 2014 (UTC)

Thank you very much, it seems very simple, I will test it. Thank you again. - Fabsouza1 (talk) 12:44, 14 September 2014 (UTC)
 * See also . --Kaganer (talk) 19:45, 14 September 2014 (UTC)
 * Thanks a lot Kaganer for summing this up! Have you been using this tool lately? How is your experience with it? :) BPositive (talk) 18:34, 25 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Dear User:BPositive! I use this tool from time to time. Today, as example ;) This tool continues to be useful as well, that is not fully. --Kaganer (talk) 16:49, 27 July 2015 (UTC)

Template:Hubs (doc)
That's exactly what I was thinking. Thank you. - Fabsouza1 (talk) 13:02, 6 January 2015 (UTC)

Пример на тему перевода пространств имён
Если переводить пространства имён, то результат выражений получается идентичным (пример проверяется на мета-вики для французской страницы):

А если нет - то "PAGENAME:" корректно его отрезает. См. различия в шаблоне LL тут и в других проектах.

Invalidating valid translations
After this minor edit (inside ), you invalidated the translation unit "T:16" on [ marking the page for translation], then it caused invalidation for all languages. The unit should not be invalidated. Use "" checkboxes properly.

says: Invalidation. If changes are made to the translatable page source, the translation administrator will be given the option to "" for each section. If a section is invalidated, then the translated languages will get a pink background color for those sections, and a clock icon will be shown to translators in the translation interface. If a section is not invalidated, then no changes will be visible to readers of the translated pages, and translators will have to examine the section within the translation interface in order to see the changes.


 * , this was my mistake, but this is no big deal, in my opinion. You may simple ask me to validate all affected units manually. Why do I need these quotes, which I know as well as you ??? --Kaganer (talk) 15:00, 18 May 2017 (UTC)
 * I validated all affected units before this talk :) I did not know you know or not. --Shirayuki (talk) 21:58, 18 May 2017 (UTC)
 * , I am an translator as well, and I always try to treat the work of other translators very carefully. --Kaganer (talk) 15:42, 19 May 2017 (UTC)