Talk:Streamlined Infoboxes

Glanceable and collapse
Regarding the goal of "Must be glanceable", and the compacted-sections used in one of the mockups, I'll briefly enumerated some of the reasons (and examples) why Collapse/Hide can be "considered harmful": Other reasons that collapsed/hidden information is bad, include:
 * The "collapsible" code, that originated (iirc) in footer-navboxes, is frequently mis-used to bury a dispute - hiding something, rather than discussing whether it belongs in the article or not. It spread to Infobox Writer's "Influences/Influenced" section ([//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Anton_Chekhov&oldid=562092653]). It spread to data-tables in articles ([//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Hong_Kong&oldid=563977590#Geography_and_climate], [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Standard_Model&oldid=563932513#Theoretical_aspects], [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=New_York_City&oldid=564811853#New_York_City_Global_Partners_network]). It briefly spread to Image galleries (Draw Mohammed Day, Gangrene) and still occasionally crops up ([//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Daniel_Webster&oldid=558265329#On_U.S._Postage]). It has now spread to entire infoboxes ([//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Ian_Fleming&oldid=564483881],[//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Little_Moreton_Hall&oldid=561213897],[//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:WhatLinksHere/Template:Collapsed_infobox_section_begin&hidelinks=1]...).
 * For editors:
 * errors, or vandalism, are harder to detect, because less editor-eyeballs will see it
 * For readers:
 * low accessibility (for users with vision problems, or dexterity problems)
 * less likely to see the info, as it requires interaction (effort)
 * less likely to see the info, as they might have never clicked a [Show] link before (discoverability). Also [Show] looks very similar to [Edit] in fuzzy-outline, which readers are accustomed to subconsciously filtering out.

However. To take the devil's advocate side, perhaps we should be encouraging/experimenting with interactive elements? It might be good to encourage readers to explore more, or to learn more through active-participation. (or be more likely to click [edit]...). I've asked at w:Wikipedia:Village pump (miscellaneous) to find out what else currently exists. Quiddity (talk) 18:27, 1 August 2013 (UTC)

Consider views, not just transclusions
When you identified Core Template Types and Data, I accept that this list is not intended to be complete, but to start with some of the commonly used boxes, to get a start on what issues to consider. I suggest you also consider number of views. So, for example, there aren't many elements, but articles such as Oxygen are viewed much more often than some settlement articles with thousands of transclusions. Articles about chemical compounds, such as Lead(II) nitrate, use a different infobox. These types of infoboxes have gone through extensive discussions about deign elements. While they might still be improved, they have well-developed aspects which should be considered as part of this initiative.--Sphilbrick (talk) 13:14, 8 August 2013 (UTC)