Language Testing Plan/Triage20130828/IRC chat log

 Time: 1700-1800 UTC Channel: #mediawiki-i18n Timestamps are in IST.

[22:31] == Language Engineering bug triage for August 2013 - start == [22:31]  was MF-W all problem? [22:31] Hello. Its Language Engineering bug triage day. [22:31] Today we are going to triage some of the RTL language bugs. [22:32] Please do let us know if you are a speaker or are familiar with any of the RTL languages [22:33] The list of bugs that we are going choose from is on this etherpad: [22:33]  RTL..... like arabic? [22:33] yep.. Right-to-Left languages [22:33]  Keegan: I really like echo :) How goes its development? [22:33]  sorry.. should have avoided the abbreviation early on :) [22:34] etherpad link: https://etherpad.wikimedia.org/p/BugTriage-i18n-2013-08 [22:34]  WolfLambert: It's developed for the most part. You'll get it on Dutch Wikipedia in a few weeks [22:34] If you are on the etherpad please also add your name using the button with an user icon at the top right corner [22:34]  Romaine is in charge of that there [22:34]  Yeah, nice! :D [22:34]  hello [22:35] The Wikimedia Language Engineering team also around: Nikerabbit kart_ santhosh_ [22:35]  Ho hey! Translatewiki is back! [22:36]  and I hope  echo in kowiki too [22:36]  hello all! [22:36]  WolfLambert: read-only :( [22:36]  First bug of the evening: [22:36]  https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=21429 - Arabic double diacritics presentation [22:36]   Revi: Yes, it is scheduled for 26 sept.  One month to get the translations done and we are good to go :) [22:36]  Oh. Goodbye my happiness :'( [22:37]  Keegan: Mediawiki help translations? [22:37]  * arrbee looks around if Arif is present today [22:37]  * Krinkle|detached is now known as Krinkle [22:37]   Let's take it to pm so arrbee can coordinate this bug work [22:37]  Thanks Keegan [22:38]  Arif is possibly not around. [22:39]  Looks like bug 21429 has a reference to another earlier bug 2399: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2399 [22:39]  Nikerabbit: any opinions? [22:39]  umm.. btw do we have any speakers of Arabic around? [22:40]  <WolfLambert> Indeed. I get "not saved" when trying to translate [22:40]  * WolfLambert is from Belgium [22:40]  <Nikerabbit> I don't know specifics, but it likely related to unicode normalizations [22:40]  <WolfLambert> So I don't know who is speaking Arabic [22:40]  <WolfLambert> The wiki is currently in read-only mode... [22:41]  <WolfLambert> Hi mooeypoo [22:42] Given comment5 I am not sure if we can make an intelligent decision about this bug rightaway [22:43] <Nikerabbit> Raymond_: please see email [22:43] <Nikerabbit> arrbee: not without spending a lot of time to study it... [22:43]  Nikerabbit Nischayn22|Away [22:43] Nikerabbit: ok.. [22:43] Well moving on then [22:44] <Raymond_> Nikerabbit: sh.... [22:44] https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=34123 - create an Arabic layout based on the Arabic chat alphabet [22:44] bug filed by Amir [22:45] <Nikerabbit> I don't quite understand [22:46] <Nikerabbit> It is a character encoding of Arabic to the Latin script and the Arabic numerals. [22:46] Possibly a transliterated set of characters [22:46] <Nikerabbit> if we are assuming qwerty-keyboard, they don't need input method for that [22:46] <Nikerabbit> perhaps he is asking to have that as input and to produce arabic script instead [22:46] yes [22:47] having the mapping set.. like a multi-key transliteration keyboard [22:47] <Nikerabbit> and if so, there is no proof that it works in that direction... [22:47] <WolfLambert> Okay I'll go [22:47]  <WolfLambert> Bye everyone! [22:47] mooeypoo: would you know anything about this? [22:47] <Nikerabbit> bye [22:47] bye WolfLambert [22:47] <Revi> bye [22:47] <Revi> latr [22:47] <Revi> *late [22:48] Nikerabbit: technically will this be too difficult to implement? [22:49] <Nikerabbit> arrbee: if it is letter-to-letter mapping, easy, if it needs dictionaries and heuristics.... very difficult [22:50] Nikerabbit: the examples indicate the former [22:50] <Nikerabbit> if you are refering to the wikipage, I think they indicate the latter ;) [22:50]   Nikerabbit Nischayn22|Away [22:51]  Nikerabbit: well it looks similar to a layout called the itrans for Indic scripts [22:51]  which is not very hard to implement [22:51]  <Nikerabbit> I do not feel it is something that our team would do... I'd expect there would be more standardized input methods [22:52]  Nikerabbit: alright.. perhaps this is more on the fun side of things. Lets keep it as a Low Enhancement [22:53]  Next bug: [22:53]  https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=38674 - Names.php includes RTL control characters [22:53]  <Nikerabbit> well [22:53]  Another bug from Amir [22:54]  <Nikerabbit> it doesn't have clear steps how to bring it forward [22:55]  Nope and the description suggests it is not something that has a clear solution at all at this point of time. [22:55]  Lets leave it unchanged. [22:55] <Nikerabbit> hmm [22:55] <Nikerabbit> it's not WONTFIX but it not actionable either [22:55] <Nikerabbit> should we leave a comment stating that? [22:56] Nikerabbit: We  could. [22:57] Next bug: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=41551 - Add 6 fonts for Arabic WebFonts [22:58] santhosh_: kart_ : opinions? [23:00] <santhosh_> not much to add. if we need comments from community, we need to ask, otherwise just add. We may need to shortlist this fonts as per community feedback [23:01] <kart_> Amiri is already there. [23:01] <kart_> I'll check for rest of fonts. [23:01] santhosh_: ok.. perhaps a follow up on the appropriate village pump or mailing list [23:02] kart_: Thanks. [23:03] kart_: am moving to the next bug. Lets take it forward after talking with some Arabic users [23:04] Next bug: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=41940 - Amiri font for Arab lacks italics and bold causing bad rendering [23:04] file by Nemo_bis [23:07] and screenshots from Khaled. [23:07] kart_: possible way forward? [23:08] * ChanServ gives voice to brion [23:09] <kart_> arrbee: looking.. [23:10] 25 more mins to go. [23:11] We have a big list of bugs from user reza1615.. but I am not sure if he/she is here today [23:12] i'll give you a screenshout in a few minutes [23:13] sorry, it's not much time to file a bug [23:13] :( [23:13]  wizardist: about this bug? [23:13]  nope, the other thing [23:14]  welcome aharoni [23:15]  kart_: should i move to the next bug? [23:15]  <kart_> arrbee: may be upstream bug. I'll try to use new upstream version available. [23:15]  <kart_> 1.0.6 [23:15]  yo [23:15]  kart_: alright [23:15]  <kart_> There is version mismatch in font.ini too. [23:15]  <kart_> That also need to fix [23:17]  Amir, can you enlighten us a bit about bug 38674 [23:17]  bad: http://cropme.ru/s/d/8/s/7ef30c63.png [23:17]  good: http://cropme.ru/s/d/8/s/5a18049d.png [23:17]  bug 38674 depends on https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=41103 [23:18]  as it says [23:18]  It's not really a user-visible problem, just ugly code. [23:18]  and bug 41103 is not an RTL bug, but a general bug, but it's also mostly about internal refactoring [23:18]  hi wizardist [23:18]  yay [23:18]  aharoni: ok [23:19]  but yes, as wizardist says, it has various influences and prevents useful stuff from getting done [23:19] wizardist: is that VE issue reported in Bugzilla? [23:19] [20:43:10] sorry, it's not much time to file a bug [23:19] I reported it to you few days ago :P [23:20] wizardist: aha… [23:21] wizardist: will you be filing a bug for this sometime? [23:21] surely looks like a nasty problem [23:21] arrbee, wizardist - I am already filing it right now [23:21] aharoni: Thanks [23:22] if VE can reach ULS data, then I can submit a patch maybe a bit later this evening [23:22] wizardist: yes, it can, thanks to mooeypoo's work [23:22] after 11pm UTC [23:22] wizardist: nice! [23:22] meanwhile.. lets quickly go over the other two bugs [23:22] ULS is essentially bundled with VE now [23:22] https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=43951 - ULS search autocomplete doesn't handle RTL well: doesn't adapt direction, autocomplete text overlaps regular text [23:22] ok, let's move on [23:23]  eww, that one's icky, and requires HTML magic, which I'm not sure is even possible [23:23] placeholders in s never play well with RTL [23:24] hmm… [23:25] aharoni: so what is a possible way forward? could we say something on that bug ? [23:26] I wish I could add something. I'll have to research the topic, to see whether anybody ever came up with a solution for RTL placeholders. [23:26] okay [23:26] oh! [23:26] another option is to add automatic direction detection [23:26] not perfect, but good for this case [23:26] aharoni: could this be assigned to someone? [23:27] I cannot reproduce this in the interwiki section language selector [23:27] <Nemo_bis> Nikerabbit: solr down, can you restart it please? [23:28] wizardist: interesting! [23:28] i think that i can reproduce, let me try quickly... [23:28] arrbee: wait, need to check the user bar selector [23:28] <Nikerabbit> Nemo_bis: no [23:28]  wizardist: oh ok [23:28]  nah, works as intended [23:28] Chrome 29/Windows [23:29] wizardist: we should probably mention this on the bug as well [23:29] <Nemo_bis> Nikerabbit: for the corrupted DB? [23:29] I will after I do some more tests [23:29] oh, maybe we just disabled it completely in RTL?.. [23:29] wizardist: great! Thanks a lot. [23:29] wizardist: want to take it? :) [23:29] We are nearly running out of time… lets squeeze in the last bug for today (and on the list) [23:29]  aharoni: I would if I could reproduce it first :D [23:30]  https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=44407 - Add Ezra SIL font for Hebrew script to WebFonts [23:30]  that's hardly RTL. it's just font adding, and it's a reasonable request. [23:30]  assign to me. [23:30]  aharoni: ah ok. [23:31]  aharoni: done [23:31]  yay… all done [23:32]  <kart_> \0/ [23:32]  We probably need to get in touch with Reza to check on the other list [23:33]  Alright.. anything more to take a look at tonight? [23:33]   Nikerabbit Nischayn22|Away [23:33]  aharoni: kart_ Nikerabbit wizardist ? [23:34]  Hello :) [23:34] <Nikerabbit> plop [23:34] How can I fix the translation system on Wikimedia España? [23:35] To implement, I say [23:35] <Nemo_bis> abian: what do you mean [23:35] alright… lets stop here then. [23:36] Sorry, phone :) [23:36]  Thanks everyone. Lets have another triage session soon and do let us know how we can make this better. [23:36]  == Language Engineering bug triage for August 2013 - end ==