User:Baris6161TURK/sandbox

Since I’m not a designer, I asked several designers and Nirzar kindly accepted to design the new logo and other designers took a pass on it and refined it. This is that logo.

Votes (1)

 * as the proposer Ladsgroup (talk) 00:42, 22 June 2020 (UTC)
 * with a much lighter, possibly lightblue center. Edit: +1 for the later added rainbow variant. — Aron Man. 🍂 edits 🌾 01:34, 22 June 2020 (UTC)
 * I think this is too bland. There's not enough to distinguish it from other tech projects. I want a logo that's unique, that we can rally behind, that can easily be identified. I feel like if I saw this logo for the first time, I would forget about it soon after seeing it. Its a sunflower - but it doesn't feel like its "our" sunflower, or different from any other abstract image of a sunflower. As an aside, I'm also not a fan of the font for "MediaWiki", but that's a minor quibble. Bawolff (talk) 01:43, 22 June 2020 (UTC)
 * . The current logo looks more suitable to a site in the 90s. A refresh is definitely in order. I like the simplicity of this logo - it reminds me of how the starbucks logo simplified over the years to become the iconic brand of today (lots of good reading on that subject if somebody isn't convinced that abstract is a good thing). That said it feels a little weird voting on something that is out my realm of expertise. I'm not a designer. I'd be very interested to hear about the design ideas behind this and why this one was chosen. Jdlrobson (talk) 01:54, 22 June 2020 (UTC)
 * This logo looks like something google would make then everybody would ignore. It looks like the complete opposite of the entirety of mediawiki Naleksuh (talk) 02:12, 22 June 2020 (UTC)
 * , the large black colored circle does not look good. Will rethink if the color changes. --Titodutta (talk) 03:00, 22 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Love it! Yea, the black circle is a little heavy. And I would love to keep the square brackets. But these are minor refinements we can still do before we start actually using this logo. --Thiemo Kreuz (WMDE) 06:16, 22 June 2020 (UTC)
 * I'd like to keep the square brackets. Also not a fan of that font. – Majavah talk &middot; edits 07:03, 22 June 2020 (UTC)
 * But, if possible it would be really nice to see some variants of this per the comments above (like maybe with a different font?). KHarlan (WMF) (talk) 08:27, 22 June 2020 (UTC)
 * , doesn't look like a sunflower, is dominated by a large black hole in the middle. Max Semenik (talk) 08:42, 22 June 2020 (UTC)
 * I think this is a nice proposal that can become a good alternative with some experimentation and refinement. I don't like the dotless i's, so would encourage to try with a different font. –Nikerabbit (talk) 12:49, 22 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Agree that the dot-less i's aren't necessary Ed g2s (talk) 13:16, 22 June 2020 (UTC)
 * / depending on the outcome. Too simplistic to my taste, it’s not like MediaWiki owns the sunflower metaphor, lowercase ‘medıawıkı’ spelling is bad. Would prefer it to keeping the old logo, but otherwise there are better alternatives. stjn[ru] 13:25, 22 June 2020 (UTC)
 * : recognition is lost. There is no need for such drastic changes.Carn (talk) 13:38, 22 June 2020 (UTC)
 * — Like the logo of a company producing sunflower oil. Helgo13 (talk) 13:49, 22 June 2020 (UTC)
 * I love this option so much. It is clean and simple. It can be easily used as a logo system. I used it to easily create this derivative. I think being able to easily modify the logo is the heart of what a wiki is and we should have a logo that reflects that openness. DBarratt (WMF) (talk) 15:20, 22 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Ditching the square brackets greatly declutters the logo so I'm in favor of that, and I like the simplicity of the petals and how well it scales down to a smaller resolution for icons. I would change the black circle in the middle to a more neutral color so that the logo works well in dark themes as well where the skin's background is dark or black. Either that or also design a "dark mode" logo. -- Skiz zerz  15:44, 22 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Modern and suitable for a software in the 2020s. This is exactly what I have been wishing for MediaWiki for years. RichardHeigl (talk) 17:52, 22 June 2020 (UTC)
 * It's not perfect, but it's a good starting point. There is no excessive detail and brackets, and it looks good in small sizes. — putnik 20:18, 22 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Black hole ? and no brackets ? Yes, looks like an agri firm logo. Anthere (talk)
 * . Agree with the "black hole" comments and the criticism of the dot-less "i"s, but a variant could work. Eloquence (talk) 03:41, 23 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Not oppose to change in general, but I don't think this design is better than the current one. Also I think, it'd be good to describe what the logo elements mean, so people can give more informed opinions. For instance what the black hole exactly stands for? Ammarpad (talk) 06:43, 23 June 2020 (UTC)
 * I think User:Anthere said it well. I find no relevance with MediaWiki software, especially without the brackets. Huji (talk) 16:23, 25 June 2020 (UTC)
 * User:Huji: Sunflower is the concept of mediawiki and IMHO adding brackets make it busy. For example VueJS logo doesn't have anything directly related to the software and if you don't know about VueJS, by just seeing the logo, you could assume it's hiking company, Docker is a fishing insurance and so on. Also 1- Given we have VE, brackets are not as vital part of mediawiki for an editor than before 2- mediawiki is also for readers (of Wikipedia and other mediawiki installation) too whom don't know what these bracket are for and confuses themLadsgroup (talk) 16:43, 25 June 2020 (UTC)
 * all great points. Yet, somehow, this particular rendition of a sunflower doesn't sit well with me (I googled "sunflower icon" and found others that looked more appealing to me). Let's also agree to disagree on our views regarding the double-brackets. I think that is such a "characteristic" feature of MediaWiki that I would rather keep that than let it go. Indeed, between the idea of "replace brackets with something else (or remove them)" and "replace sunflower with something else (or remove it)" I am more keen towards the latter. Huji (talk) 16:57, 25 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Nice start but a bit too heavy, yes. Jdforrester (talk) 18:07, 25 June 2020 (UTC)
 * I like the direction a lot. The main thing that stands out to me is that it implies MediaWiki should henceforth be stylized in all-lowercase "mediawiki", which I don't think is a good fit for us, but is perhaps worthy of its own design exploration orthogonal to the general logo design. I also agree that omitting the I-dots or colouring those dots differently is imho distracting. --Krinkle (talk) 19:29, 25 June 2020 (UTC)
 * --Smaug the Golden (talk - contributions - logs) 19:48, 26 June 2020 (UTC)
 * --ThurnerRupert (talk) 23:46, 27 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Boring, weird font, missing the brackets, and generally looks like an what you'd expect from some company making biodesiel from sunflowers or something. Anomie (talk) 20:51, 28 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Very clean. I especially like the font for the wordmark. Sdkb (talk) 07:04, 29 June 2020 (UTC)
 * . Boring, flat, primitive. Looks like zillion other "simple-style" logos of modern web. Primitivisation and stupidistation of web design is a bad tendency of last 5-7 years. Фред-Продавец звёзд (talk) 22:20, 29 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Seems too commercial, not original and not unique at all. --Ferdi2005 (talk) 20:21, 1 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Modern, simple, and meaningful.--Editor-1 (talk) 12:49, 2 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Niridya (talk) 17:28, 2 July 2020 (UTC)
 * I like the concept very much. --Omnilaika02 (talk) 06:55, 7 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Sleak. &#8211; MJL &thinsp;‐Talk‐☖ 17:19, 17 July 2020 (UTC)
 * I don't get the benefit of this change. Leaderboard (talk) 17:30, 23 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Abbe98 (talk) 13:20, 10 August 2020 (UTC)
 * I think it strikes a great balance between simplicity and uniqueness. There are few elements, but yet it doesn't look like a generic sunflower icon. AHollender (WMF) (talk) 18:06, 10 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Legoktm (talk) 10:58, 11 August 2020 (UTC)
 * My favorite from the list Guergana_Tzatchkova (talk) 15:28, 11 August 2020 (UTC)
 * I like the concept very much: it is a clear evolution, in a more modern interpretation, of the sunflower logo. Easy to use at different sizes. I probably prefer the one with the blue dot, without the brackets: they are simply too much. --Luca Mauri (talk) 19:39, 11 August 2020 (UTC)
 *  I like the idea, don't like the black center and the font (small dotless i is a separate character; for a software priding itself on its internationalization, a logo that mixes up characters is counterproductive IMO) --Tgr (talk) 21:27, 12 August 2020 (UTC)
 * This is OK. I like it, but is a bit uninspired. Works good on all screen sizes. I prefer blue middle. &#32; Forza (talk) 18:29, 14 August 2020 (UTC)
 *  CamelCase, Script other details. --&#91;&#91;kgh&#93;&#93; (talk) 17:44, 18 August 2020 (UTC)
 * I like the logo. Not so sure about the text part. -- DKinzler (WMF) (talk) 19:47, 19 August 2020 (UTC) (voting with my staff account by way of disclosure, not indicating wmf endorsement)
 * Matma Rex (talk) 21:27, 20 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Cody3647 (talk) 21:21, 1 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Zppix (Volunteer Dev) (talk) 14:52, 30 August 2020 (UTC)
 * -- Regards, ZI Jony  (Talk)  05:49, 4 September 2020 (UTC)
 * It doesn't symbolize any of our strengths such as heterogeneity. Adamw (talk) 14:02, 4 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Best of the bunch. &mdash; MusikAnimal  talk   15:57, 4 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Tufor (talk) 23:24, 4 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Sohom data (talk) 07:09, 7 September 2020 (UTC)
 * - we need to retain the spirit of the original one. This does not do that. ImprovedWikiImprovment (talk) 21:30, 7 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Jeroen De Dauw (talk) 10:12, 10 September 2020 (UTC)

Comments (1)

 * I'm not sure I'm a fan of how it looks when its small. Bawolff (talk) 01:06, 22 June 2020 (UTC)
 * There should probably be multiple size versions (with varying numbers of petals) for any vector sunflower logo, to make sure it's legible at smaller sizes. wctaiwan (talk) 01:28, 22 June 2020 (UTC)


 * Maybe it would be worth trying to make the middle a bit brighter? In the final version, the sunflower should also be centered properly. --MGChecker (talk) 01:10, 22 June 2020 (UTC)
 * On IRC, User:Jack Phoenix mentioned that this logo seemed quite similar to the https://miraheze.org/ logo (Which i agree with, especially when small). Bawolff (talk) 01:21, 22 June 2020 (UTC)
 * I feel like the contrast between the center and the yellow ray flowers is huge. The yellow part can be hardly seen on the icon-sized image. I think this would be perfect with a light brown or light blue center. +1 for the minimalism. — Aron Man. 🍂 edits 🌾 01:34, 22 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Would it be possible to add the square brackets back? It helps to differentiate MW sunflower with other ones and it adds a bit of personality to the brand. I like minimalism of the logo, having the blue color feels too busy for me. As for the font, it feels more welcoming and friendly compared to the old font. However, the alignment of k feels odd to me. - Alistair3149 (talk) 02:01, 22 June 2020 (UTC)
 * I also offer options with sparse petals.Carn (talk) 18:50, 22 June 2020 (UTC)
 * What font is this? Is it libre? Max Semenik (talk) 08:42, 22 June 2020 (UTC)
 * I combined this logo with proposal 2, due to taking some of the comments here on board (dislike monolithic black circle and lack of dots on i's). However I left out brackets. I'll try another with the brackets maybe too. Mvolz (talk) 15:13, 22 June 2020 (UTC)
 * I've done another with brackets too. Personally prefer it without as it just starts to get too busy. Mvolz (talk) 16:06, 22 June 2020 (UTC)


 * User:Mvolz Do you want to add them as proposal five and six? Thanks! Ladsgroup (talk) 17:11, 22 June 2020 (UTC)
 * In general, any vote in this format is profanity. First you need to throw options, then choose the best one from them.Carn (talk) 18:50, 22 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Too many petals are too close - in a small image everything merges into one (something like an eye comes out).Carn (talk) 17:04, 22 June 2020 (UTC)
 * i think we should investigate having different versions small and large. I think its common to have a small variant of a logo that is not just the big logo scaled down; we dont use the exact same wikipedia logo on the page as we do for a favicon. Bawolff (talk) 20:22, 22 June 2020 (UTC)
 * "Derivative of proposed logo" looks good too. It has a "United Colors of Benetton" feel to it. I feel the center is too dark on this one as well. — Aron Man. 🍂 edits 🌾 15:04, 23 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Personally, I think it looks like a Thanksgiving turkey craft. Yaron Koren (talk) 15:44, 23 June 2020 (UTC)
 * It seems to me better without brackets, they are too large in this version. :) Iniquity (talk) 03:12, 24 June 2020 (UTC)

Can we see an example of these alternative proposals in which the core of the sunflower is (correctly) in dark brown, like the actual flower, as opposed to arbitrary colors like blue? Huji (talk) 16:59, 25 June 2020 (UTC)