Help talk:Extension:Phonos

Invalid examples
The provided examples are invalid. For example,  gives .  gives . They should be changed to reflect what we should expect. Theklan (talk) 21:24, 10 July 2023 (UTC)


 * Good point, I've made some updates (for what it's worth,  is enabled on this project currently) TheresNoTime-WMF (talk) 13:36, 11 July 2023 (UTC)


 * The examples cross-posted into all WMF wikis are faulty too:




 * @User:TheresNoTime-WMF What is the point with  ? The documentation in incomprehensible. Is it enabled on all WMF wikis? Taylor 49 (talk) 17:53, 16 September 2023 (UTC)
 * @Taylor 49, the help page has been updated. Can you have a look and let us know if the documentation explains things better? Looking forward to hearing from you. –– STei (WMF) (talk) 12:56, 21 September 2023 (UTC)


 * @User:STei (WMF) Thanks. There is some improvement, but the claim "in this mode, only audio files will play" is still incomprehensible. What is the chief difference in functionality between  and , and what is the point/usefulness with the one and the other? Taylor 49 (talk) 08:23, 23 September 2023 (UTC)

"i" too small
The superscripted "i" which links to the file description page is too small: German alphabet. Is this "i" hardwired or can it be changed? -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 14:45, 31 August 2023 (UTC)


 * I agree with you, this is an accessibility problem. I strongly recommended against it at T324102 but they weren't having it. Perhaps we should open a phab ticket. Each wiki can customize it at MediaWiki:Phonos-attribution-icon, but it doesn't seem to accept wikicode, which compounds the problem. Nardog (talk) 15:58, 1 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Filed T346195. Nardog (talk) 01:10, 13 September 2023 (UTC)

Agree and strong support. Changing the submicroscopic "i" to "ⓘ" is an improvement. But please add an attribute allowing to override this new "(i)", allowing for empty string to suppress it (so that separate wikitext can be used in order to link directly to Commons). Taylor 49 (talk) 17:26, 16 September 2023 (UTC)


 * Well emptying MediaWiki:Phonos-attribution-icon seems to help but needs sysop rights. Taylor 49 (talk) 17:29, 16 September 2023 (UTC)
 * @Taylor 49 @Nardog @Michael Bednarek thank you for raising this issue of accessibility.
 * @Nardog I see activity in your newer T346195/bug report Phonos attribution link is so small it's barely clickable is receiving some activity by CommTech team. Is it ok if I consider the solution as "in progress"? I will still watch this thread for concerns but I want to know if the major issue of reopening work on the attribution icon is going as you expect. –– STei (WMF) (talk) 13:13, 21 September 2023 (UTC)
 * I don't understand your question. What would it mean for you to not "consider the solution as 'in progress'", and why should I have any say in whether you will?
 * I'm the one who created the task, and if I saw any problem with the approach being taken, I would simply voice it on the Phab task or Gerrit, or file another bug report. Nardog (talk) 01:25, 22 September 2023 (UTC)

One more absurd bug -- IPA only
If i feed in only the attribute "ipa" but NOT "file" then I get Category:Pages with Phonos rendering errors. The effect is directly observable at Help:Extension:Phonos. Taylor 49 (talk) 21:08, 16 September 2023 (UTC)


 * @User:UOzurumba (WMF): Is Phonos intended to be used for IPA only? Help:Extension:Phonos suggests YES ... but the outcome is strange. Taylor 49 (talk) 21:12, 16 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Hello @Taylor 49, User:MusikAnimal (WMF) has answered your question in this thread. Thank you! UOzurumba (WMF) (talk) 14:35, 18 September 2023 (UTC)

And another one
Phonos redirects from OGG Vorbis files to MP5. The effect is directly observable at Help:Extension:Phonos. This is wrong, OGG Vorbis is still the way more free format and should NOT be converted into MP5. T346508 Taylor 49 (talk) 22:27, 16 September 2023 (UTC)


 * I think you mean MP3, which like OGG is also non-proprietary and has broader support. I've also replied at T346508. Please let us know how you feel given this new information. &mdash; MusikAnimal  talk  17:49, 17 September 2023 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the answer. What I still feel is what I wrote at phab yesterday:


 * The fault is in the proprietary "Ios" and the proprietary "InternerExplorer". I am aware that some of the patents on MP3 expired, still converting Vorbis to (inferior) MP3 is anything else than a gain. As long as users of proprietary stuff are the most privileged group having everything working smoothly and "natively", whereas users of free software and free file formats have trouble, the power of the proprietary companies will not shrink. PNG as a temporary solution until the patent on LZW84 expires, Vorbis as a temporary solution until the patents on MP3 expire, Theora as a temporary solution until the patents on old MPEG expire ... who would want to ever design a free file format under such provisions?


 * ie Vorbis should not be discarded just because some patent on MP3 expired. Taylor 49 (talk) 14:39, 18 September 2023 (UTC)