Project:Requests/RfC/Removal of inactive bureaucrats and interface admins

Proposal to remove long-term inactive bureaucrats and interface admins

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 * Related: Project:Requests/RfC/Removal of inactive sysops & Project:Requests/RfC/Removal of inactive sysops (2018)
 * Current IA/'crat statistics: https://tools.wmflabs.org/meta/stewardry/mediawikiwiki?bureaucrat=1&interface-admin=1

From the previous 2 RfCs, it seems clear that admin rights can be held indefinitely. However, neither of them mentioned about the crat and IA flag which are fairly sensitive as both (in a way) can edit the site interface and I believe that they should be subject to the admin activity review.

This is solely due to security reasons and if the user decides to come back, they can have the flag back. Minorax (talk) 10:49, 23 February 2020 (UTC)
 * 1) I propose the removal of the crat flag and IA flag if the user is inactive for more than 2 years and 1 year respectively. Affected users are listed above.
 * 2) To ensure that inactive crats and IAs will have their rights removed, I am also proposing a yearly review, probably in April?. Affected users will be notified on their talk page and emails (if possible) on April 1 and if there isn't any reply to keep the flag:
 * 3) crats: A request will be posted on meta to remove the flag a week later (April 8).
 * 4) IAs: A local request for a crat to remove the flag a week later (April 8)
 * About to log off, but just a note: Stewardry is wrong. Remember the dot's last edit given is from before interface admins were a thing - used the permissions in august. MZMcBride last edited in December 2019, not 2007, and Midom last edited in 2010 (a while ago, yes, but after 2005). The chard above isn't an accurate list of who would be affected under the proposal. --DannyS712 (talk) 10:59, 23 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Ah yes my bad for this sloppy work. However, the main point of this proposal would be the new policy on removing inactive right holders. The affected users will be re-checked again if this proposal passes. Thanks for your note :) Minorax (talk) 11:13, 23 February 2020 (UTC)

Does inactive mean "doesn't edit in general" or "doesn't have recent entries making use of their rights?" I ask because this wiki is fairly low-traffic in terms of rights requests, such that 1-3 crats largely handle every request for permissions. Just because I (or another crat) mostly handle that area doesn't necessarily mean the other crats are inactive. That being said, I am largely in support of a policy to remove rights from inactive accounts so long as we can get a good enough qualification of what activity means in the somewhat unique context of mediawiki.org. I know in the recent RfC about removing inactive sysops, it was brought up by that some users are still very active on IRC, phabricator, gerrit, etc. I personally think that measuring off-wiki activity is not useful for whether or not on-wiki rights should be kept, because those users can still do everything they need to do on IRC, phabricator, gerrit, etc. without needing elevated privileges on-wiki. Should they wish to retain such privileges however, we need a process to alert the users in question on their talk pages so they can affirmatively say they'd like to hold onto it (if we define "activity" as "any edits" this would also flag them as active again). If they lose it and need it back in the future, I feel it would be pretty uncontroversial to re-grant such permissions. -- Skiz zerz  20:31, 24 February 2020 (UTC)
 * I'd generally prefer going with total inactivity, no edits, no actions. To add on with removing inactive sysops, I'll also support in removing the inactive sysops (we have too many (212) here). Perhaps maybe have the same criteria as proposed above for crats (2 years)? Minorax (talk) 09:10, 25 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Note, User:Amusso (WMF) more commonly edits as User:Hashar. Both User:Emufarmers and User:MZMcBride are still around (I see them on irc a lot) even if they don't have all that many actions here. I support them keeping their rights. Leaning to remove for the others, unless they write a comment saying they want to keep the rights. Also, have all these users in question been notified of this request? Bawolff (talk) 05:15, 27 February 2020 (UTC)
 * This is a proposal on the policy so there isn't a need to notify those mentioned above as their rights won't be immediately removed if this RFC passes. Minorax (talk) 05:24, 27 February 2020 (UTC)
 * that's pretty unclear given its on the request for adminship page. Regardless, i still think policy proposals that disproportionately affect certain users should notify those users. Bawolff (talk) 09:38, 27 February 2020 (UTC)

+1 throw these bums out. —Emufarmers(T 05:30, 27 February 2020 (UTC)

I'm boggling at the table a bit. It has inaccurate data, but at least it's noted(???). And someone has already pointed out the plainly wrong last edit for my account, and someone else just shrugged it off. And it's a table of 11 users, not hundreds... baffling. I looked at Project:Requests just now and there's a single request that appears to have been declined. I believe local bureaucrats are no longer doing user renames, so I'm curious if there's some work I should be doing that's getting missed? --MZMcBride (talk) 02:11, 28 February 2020 (UTC)