User talk:Alsee

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MV retrospective
I apologize for the condescending edit summary.

A retrospective reflects the impressions of the people who participated in a project. If you have comments, it would be better to put them on the talk page, or create another page and link it prominently from the retrospective page. --Tgr (WMF) (talk) 10:48, 1 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Tgr (WMF), no problem. That's a reasonable definition for the page. Alsee (talk) 16:16, 1 March 2016 (UTC)

I agree external perspective would be useful; would you be willing to write one somewhere? (FWIW the retrospective reflects the things team members agreed on; individual team members sometimes had starker views on some points. It's hard to state candid opinions publicly when anything you say is liable to be taken and used against coworkers - that's a problem our movement hasn't figured out yet, IMO, and it results in slightly watered-up documents like this one.) --Tgr (WMF) (talk) 23:37, 4 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Tgr (WMF), wow. I didn't think you guys would be interest in this. You didn't say anything specific about what happened, but nonetheless your comments were impressively candid. I imagine some of the staff were in a painfully impossible situation. I may need some time to get to it, but yeah, I can make one. Are you just looking for my individual comments? Or is this significant enough to get some other editors to collaborate on it more thoroughly?
 * I am really happy with the WMF's positive approach to the community recently. During the Media Viewer events I was one of the very critical voices. To be honest I'm feeling little guilty at the prospect of unloading a pile of old criticisms when things are going so well now. Alsee (talk) 02:02, 5 March 2016 (UTC)

Well I am interested (and appreciate that you are willing to spend your free time on this), don't want to talk in anyone else's name. The Multimedia team doesn't exist any more (somewhat confusingly, there is a Multimedia team, but it's a different one), but people in Reading (which is the current group responsible for reader-facing features) are very interested these days in figuring out how to have a constructive relationship with the community, so I might not be your only reader, but no guarantees :) I'm the only person in Reading who also worked on Media Viewer but others might be interested in learning from history. I don't think you should put too much effort into it though, there will probably be more important discussions soon (e.g. about the Gather RfC). --Tgr (WMF) (talk) 02:53, 5 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Understood.
 * Regarding the Gather RFC, to put it in a nutshell, at the moment many in the community are inclined to interpret any remotely ambiguous statement in the the most cynical manner possible. I'm hopeful that community members will start criticizing "unreasonable cynicism" when more people see what I'm seeing. Some of the liaison comments before the RFC were interpreted as trying to avoid/reject an RFC from happening (i.e. driving forwards an unstoppable project). During the RFC the community seriously shouldn't shouldn't have been blaming the WMF for opposing the outcome - there is no outcome until it closes. And to be fair, delivery of the outcome to the WMF should be treated as "first communication of an actual community request", and from that point the WMF is entitled to reasonable time to sort out a reaction. When the WMF did decide how to handle it, the WMF did so very reasonably and constructively. However the statements were not blindingly-explicit. Several community members read into those statements any remotely plausible interpretation of evasion, conflict, or rejection. Alsee (talk) 10:33, 5 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Adding ping: Tgr (WMF). Alsee (talk) 11:33, 5 March 2016 (UTC)