Talk:Talk pages consultation 2019/Phase 2 report

Please check the translations of your comments
笔尖留痕, RonnieV, ParaBenT, JAn Dudík, O.Taris, B25es, KaiMartin, O. Morand, Aschmidt, Mautpreller, Cimbail, SwissChocolateSC, Sänger, Berlinschneid, Mathieugp, Ankry, Cedalyon, VladXe

You have all been quoted (some of you more than once) in this report. Please check the English translation, and make any appropriate corrections.

Also, if your name appears as a red link in this message, then please consider creating a Global user page. Whatamidoing (WMF) (talk) 19:24, 15 August 2019 (UTC)


 * I‘m totally fine with the translation of my comment. Thanks for including my (doubtlessly controversial) viewpoint! --SwissChocolateSC (talk) 20:14, 15 August 2019 (UTC)
 * Thank you for writing it! This team tended to choose quotations that were particularly clear or did the best job of representing an important perspective.  It was very important to them to show the diversity of the discussions.  Different people and different communities wanted different things.  This particular project can only address some requests, but every comment was read with interest, and every perspective matters.  Whatamidoing (WMF) (talk) 20:42, 15 August 2019 (UTC)
 * I wonder why the second half of my statement has not been translated into English? Could you please add the second sentence in order to make the translation complete? I said: Following a well-known dictum by Gertrude Stein, a wiki is a wiki is a wiki, and that applies to the discussion page, too. The only improvement I could think of would be an automatic signature because then other authors would not have to sign their co-editors comments any more that were made without signing. – Thanks!--Aschmidt (talk) 21:55, 15 August 2019 (UTC)
 * Thanks for spotting that, Aschmidt. I have removed the second sentence, as I don't think it was originally meant to be included.  Not having them match was my fault.  Sorry about that.  BTW, I picked yours to be first for that section because I thought it was such a lovely way of expressing that idea.  Whatamidoing (WMF) (talk) 14:47, 16 August 2019 (UTC)
 * Thank you for elaborating, Whatamidoing (WMF)! I am happy and grateful that you also like the idea of Gertrude Stein's quotation, and I must admit that I am a great fan of hers. ;) I think we can leave it like this because the basic idea lies indeed in this analogy. However, I also think that some kind of making signing easier in discussions should be included in MediaWiki core. We have not had a signature bot in German Wikipedia for years. Now, thanks to user:Count Count, user:CountCountBot has finally filled that gap. If anything should be changed about the way discussions are done in Wikipedia, automatic signatures should be introduced. Could you please make this another point in your summary? – Thanks, again.--Aschmidt (talk) 22:04, 16 August 2019 (UTC)
 * It's already in MBq's summary of the dewiki conversations and in WereSpielChequers' comments, and, of course, in Talk pages consultation 2019/Phase 1 report. We're not going to let them forget about this.     Whatamidoing (WMF) (talk) 02:48, 17 August 2019 (UTC)
 * I‘m fine with the translation of my comment. Thanks! B25es (talk) 13:16, 16 August 2019 (UTC)

WYSIWYG
The section about "fine control" reminds me of some of the debates over WYSIWYG editing versus other forms of editing that allow better control over the structure of the document. Including, for that matter, some of the debates over VisualEditor (although finding that wheat among the chaff of criticism over the way it was initially deployed or bugs it has or had in the past may be difficult). Anomie (talk) 13:27, 16 August 2019 (UTC)

Executive summary
I admit and acknowledge, this post-Flow topic is sensitive and important, there were many discussions on a number of wikis, and various positions in those discussions. It's difficult to reflect that in one paragraph, so you made a Featured Article-like report with a Good Article-like summary, which (the summary alone) is 3,5-screen long on my 27" monitor. Thank you so much for this proof of honesty and diligence. Good job! My God, no. Excellent, superb job, chapeau bas!

But. (Someone said everything before "but" doesn't count, eh? ;)))

Could you please provide an executive summary in 2-4 paragraphs? Key answers to key questions: what happened, what's the decision, what should be expected, and when? Something that could be easily sharable on newsletters, village pumps, bulletins, but longer than a twit? Something that other liaisons could easily refer to without reading the entire documentation? Thanks in advance!

Congratulations & hugs! Tar Lócesilion (queta) 21:26, 17 August 2019 (UTC)