Talk:Recommendations for night mode compatibility on Wikimedia wikis

User perspective (not an editor)
Jdlrobson. Examples have already been provided on the tickets you’ve closed. I also asked if you’d be open to a quick teams/zoom call. You unsubscribed from the ticket you closed so not sure if you even saw the responses I tagged you on right before Ijm8710 (talk) 17:19, 5 October 2023 (UTC)


 * Hi @Ijm8710 thanks for writing here. Firstly I have nothing to do with the apps team, so lack the context of the bug report or the bugs you've experienced previously. I work on web products, with my main focus being the Minerva and Vector skins. Since articles change, many of the examples I found in the task are outdated. It would be helpful for you to provide me some recent examples so I can see what we can do there. The purpose of this page is to gather and evolve best practices with community members in the editor community (@Izno I want to note you may have different opinions from me on where the boundaries lie and I want to make clear that's expected and the aim is consensus building).
 * Apologies if this is a little technical: but since you identify as a non-editor you may not be aware of the unusual relationship between software and content - content and its styles tend to be managed on wiki and the chrome (the menus etc) by software maintainers, because of this it can be challenging to agree to specific solutions and sometimes impossible to fix things without the two groups together in conversation or without adding significant technical debt (something I'm trying to remedy with this page). Jdlrobson (talk) 17:44, 5 October 2023 (UTC)
 * I’ll provide a subset of examples in the next few days but I just want to make sure I’m not wasting my time. I did all this aggregation quite a few times only for it to go nowhere. I understand how you note you’re more on the web side rather than the app side but it sounds like you want to approach them in unison. I don’t expect the fixes to take days but if I put in the work to aggregate examples, is it realistic to hit on some of the bigger templates (the ones that affect huge bulks of athletes/episode pages) within the end of this calendar year?
 * and regarding the question I’ve raised several times over the years, is there not a way to use darkness of background to dictate text color being applied as white or black. Obviously I’m over simplifying it but atleast to some degree I just can’t fathom why that can’t provide at least a better start.
 * are you or whomever is most responsible for this issue open to a zoom/teams meet. Can be quick (say 15 minutes)
 * lastly, being that I’ve never really used talk pages, is there a way to get alerted to replies in the same way I can for phabricators I’m tagged on. This is the main reason I was hesitant to move from there Ijm8710 (talk) 17:58, 5 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Also one other question. Is there someone who is the main pm from the apps perspective? Jmimor and seddon seem to be in that capacity potentially. I’ve got sssurances from seddon a bit ago he was working on this. Was disappointing to find we’re starting anew. Curious who is essentially the lead for the apps-specifically ios for me being of interest Ijm8710 (talk) 18:02, 5 October 2023 (UTC)

mw-no-invert and notheme
This has come up in a few discussions I've had so far around dark mode, most recently with User:Izno. These 2 classes seem similar but are subtly different given the different approaches used by apps and gadgets.

We plan to introduce dark mode to web and hope to resolve this in future as we evolve the draft of this page. This may mean removing the need for these classes, or standardizing on a more common and descriptive class.

At time of writing, the web mode is likely to use CSS variables, which will avoid the need for the inline style rewriting done in apps and the imperfect inverting of gadgets so it's possible the recommendations will change in future. Jdlrobson (talk) 17:23, 5 October 2023 (UTC)