Talk:Wikipedia for KaiOS

Terminology
What's a "smart feature phone platform"? When searching for a definition, it seems that only KaiOS folks use this term, so the definition is currently tautological. I suspect it means a "software development kit for applications on feature phones". Nemo 13:09, 11 May 2020 (UTC)


 * Yes, KaiOS were the first and are the only ones using that term, as a way to help people understand how their platform is a bridge between smart phones and feature phones. There are other organisations who have provided access to apps through their platforms e.g Nokia HMD, and the definition encompasses how that differs from smart or feature phones. Our current development plan is for building the app for the KaiOS platform, and the project page reflects the details. Additional details to include the software element for the more technical audience on MediaWiki will be added as we proceed further through the development process. AMuigai (WMF) (talk) 18:10, 12 May 2020 (UTC)

Editing
It is highly miseducational to provide read-only ways to access Wikipedia, which is all about being read-write for the users. Even if the small screen and hard keyboards make it hard to type, users will still be able to correct typos. People did all sorts of things through WAP over 20 years ago, so I refuse to believe that in 2020 such phones need to be read-only: it's a very paternalistic attitude not compatible with the Wikimedia mission.

To avoid problems, it's better to reuse existing editors and skins: they will be better than nothing and much better than a half-baked custom solution. Nemo 13:15, 11 May 2020 (UTC)


 * Thanks for your comment and questions Nemo. We thought about this carefully when designing the first version of the app. With research showing awareness of Wikipedia being at only 23% in India where the majority of KaiOS users are, it would be important to first drive awareness of what Wikipedia is, as a place to gain knowledge, then drive the ability to edit. As users begin to understand how to navigate and use the content, then we will begin to provide interactions to edit in a form factor that fits the phone’s challenges. This decision was guided by the challenges users shared about typing and challenges that new editors face (research summary here). As you put it, we did not want to provide a half baked solution at the first go, and are thinking carefully about this. For example, the point you made about correcting typos is spot on. Our plan to begin allowing editing options will be through structured contributions similar to how the other Wikipedia apps, and the Growth and Translation teams have started to provide for on mobile.
 * Also, users can still edit through the mobile browser so the option to do so on the phone still exists.
 * Please continue to watch our work here, we appreciate your questions and feedback. AMuigai (WMF) (talk) 18:09, 12 May 2020 (UTC)

Congrats and questions
Hi, Inuka team! I just read about the KaiOS app on Diff from its mention in Tech News: 2020-51. Not having heard of Jio nor KaiOS before, it's exciting to learn that we are bringing access to more people.


 * Hi Pelagic, thank you for your kind words. We are excited about the work as well.

I have a few noob questions, apologies for throwing them here all at once:
 * Does it allow users to view Talk pages and other namespaces?
 * No(t yet). This first version was focused on making a more comfortable Wikipedia reading experience


 * Does it access other Wiki?edia projects in addition to Wikipedia?
 * It supports showing images, some of which are from Commons but not for the other sister projects


 * Is there a web-based simulator where we can interact with Wikipedia in a similar layout to what KaiOS users see? Or a way to run the WP-KaiOS web-app in a regular desktop browser?
 * We can share instructions on how to run the app on your browser. I’ll share a link on this thread as soon as we’ve written it up.


 * Once you get some usage data, could you publish the results?
 * We’ll be happy to. We will continue to update the project page with the latest updates on a quarterly basis, as well as share additional posts on Diff.

Best regards, Pelagic (talk) 23:18, 14 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Best, AMuigai (WMF)

Translation?
Wouldn't this article benefit from being translatable? The app it describes is multilingual, and looking at the history and content of the article, it seems pretty stable and organised. --Sabelöga (talk) 23:53, 8 February 2021 (UTC)


 * Yes, this page will benefit others if it is translated. So, I have prepared it for translation, and it will be ready to be translated by anyone soon (by tomorrow). Thank you so much Sabelöga for pointing this out. Please feel free to help translate to the Swedish language and any other language you are fluent in. Thank you UOzurumba (WMF) (talk) 13:33, 24 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Thank you for providing the preparing the translation! I'll be sure to translate this when it's marked. --Sabelöga (talk) 15:37, 24 February 2021 (UTC)
 * I also prepared Wikipedia for KaiOS/FAQ for translation. --Sabelöga (talk) 15:45, 24 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Thank you so much Sabelöga for preparing Wikipedia for KaiOS/FAQ for translation.
 * UOzurumba (WMF) (talk) 15:53, 24 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Okay, why did you do these edits? Special:Diff/4424393, Special:Diff/4424395 --Sabelöga (talk) 04:58, 25 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Because it contained unwanted markup --Shirayuki (talk) 10:37, 25 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Shirayuki, couldn't the unwanted markup be fixed? Are you saying they have to do everything again from scratch? Elitre (WMF) (talk) 10:49, 25 February 2021 (UTC)
 * ✅ I have prepared the page for translation and translated into Japanese --Shirayuki (talk) 10:53, 25 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Shirayuki, thanks, I don't seem to be able to see the languages menu :O Elitre (WMF) (talk) 10:55, 25 February 2021 (UTC)

Quick feedback
Hi Inuka Team! I just tried out the simulator, and wanted to jot down two things I noticed: Cheers, &#123;{u&#124; Sdkb  }&#125;  talk 21:31, 16 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Hatnotes appear to not appear until the second screen. Was this intentional? They do take up some space, but as they're important for navigation, it'd be nice if they showed up before you have to get into reading the article itself, and it's a little confusing to have them in the middle of the text.
 * Harvard Citations/shortened footnotes do not appear to work.
 * Are there plans to add any way to edit articles from KaiOS? It seems like trying to make any edit from a KaiOS device would be a Herculean task, but if this is the only way some people are going to be accessing Wikipedia, it'd be nice to at least inform them about the community-built aspect of the project.