Extension talk:Cognate

Cognate for Wiktionary FAQ
Hello there,

Following the announcement on all Wiktionaries, I will collect there the frequent questions that people ask me, then provide the answers for all of them :) If a question doesn't have an answer yet, don't worry: it can take some more hours to collect all the technical details to answer you properly. Lea Lacroix (WMDE) (talk) 11:24, 13 April 2017 (UTC)

What kind of Wiktionary pages Cognate will impact ?
Only the main namespace pages. For all the other pages (community discussion, etc), this will in the future be organized via sitelinks on Wikidata, just as it's done for Wikipedia article and community pages. For now, all these pages are still linked via wikitext links. We will let you know once this part of the plan will start. Lea Lacroix (WMDE) (talk) 11:24, 13 April 2017 (UTC) The sorting of interwiki links will occur on ALL namespaces  ·addshore·  talk to me! 14:21, 13 April 2017 (UTC)

How can we access the list of the links ?
Using an example on beta wiktionary, the page 232 contains no interwiki links in the wikitext, but interiwki links still appear in the sidebar generated by the cognate extension. These interwiki links work in exactly the same was as the links provided by Wikibase on WikibaseClients, they are added to the parser output. As a result you can see them through the API using the parse action api module (as well as other api modules that expose interlangugae links). Once the Cognate database tables are replicated to the labs databases you will also be able to query for interlanguage links there.  ·addshore·  talk to me! 14:19, 13 April 2017 (UTC)

How could we notify/filter the edits containing manual interlanguage links?
An abuse filter could be set up to detect this using a regex. en:Special:AbuseFilter/270 was a filter created to detect the removal of interwiki links on enwiki and can likely easily be modified to detect additions.  ·addshore·  talk to me! 14:21, 13 April 2017 (UTC)
 * On German Wiktionary, two abusefilters have been created: 21 and 23. Lea Lacroix (WMDE) (talk) 15:14, 24 April 2017 (UTC)

Does Cognate create links to redirection pages?
Not for now. It could be technically possible, and we can enable this feature, if the communities find a consensus on this and request it. Lea Lacroix (WMDE) (talk) 15:14, 24 April 2017 (UTC)

Wiktionary discussion
Was there any discussion about this on Wiktionary with Wiktionary people? I wrote wiktionary-l/2016-December/001376.html for now. --Nemo 16:19, 18 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Yes, we asked the communities and collected their feedbacks here and below. Lea Lacroix (WMDE) (talk) 09:59, 14 February 2017 (UTC)
 * Sounds like a "no". I specifically wrote "on Wiktionary with Wiktionary people". --Nemo 18:01, 14 February 2017 (UTC)
 * We have been contacted multiple times on fr: and en: Beer Parlours, although not so much recently because the extension was in development. Darkdadaah (talk) 14:01, 15 February 2017 (UTC)

Title whinge (minor)
It is usually a really bad idea to take a specific jargon and apply it as the title to something which is similar but different yet intended to be used by the audience which uses the precise jargon you are coopting. E.g. log rollers used under heavy objects to facilitate movement should be called wheels (even when adapted to factory use - Lineshaft roller conveyors should be wheel conveyors, right?) Or all systems for converting source code to commands should be called assemblers. - Amgine (talk) 20:39, 18 December 2016 (UTC)
 * I tend to agree, it is not immediately clear that all this extension does is replace interlanguage links. Darkdadaah (talk) 14:03, 15 February 2017 (UTC)
 * I also. I was terribly confused by what this was supposed to do, even though I remember the early discussion. The extension would be better called "sametitle". --EncycloPetey (talk) 23:37, 18 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Indeed. The functionality has exactly zero to do with cognates.  Very poor choice of names.  &#8209;&#8209; Eiríkr Útlendi │ Tala við mig 17:17, 21 March 2017 (UTC)

Interwiki sorting
is it normal than the French interwiki link appears before the Deutsch one here: http://enwiktionary-cognate.wmflabs.org/index.php/Test ? Looks like a bug. Automatik (talk) 20:21, 6 March 2017 (UTC)

I wish IW links still follow the MediaWiki:Interwiki config-sorting order on each local wiki. See also Interwiki sorting order. --Octahedron80 (talk) 08:36, 13 April 2017 (UTC)


 * Hi both!
 * The labs instance has now been turned off, I'll update the extension page shortly. This was indeed a bug and has been fixed.
 * The IW links sort order will follow the sort as defined in the configuration, this can be different for each wiki. The sort orders are defined in this file, the setting for each wiki can be found in InitialiseSettings.php under wgInterwikiSortingSort. Currently all wiktionaries will default to 'code' which simply sorts by code.
 *  ·addshore·  talk to me! 14:09, 13 April 2017 (UTC)


 * Thanks for those details. It looks like the sort order for en.wikt is not quite right: we use the sort order found at m:MediaWiki:Interwiki config-sorting order-native-languagename, which does not appear at https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/source/mediawiki-config/browse/master/wmf-config/InterwikiSortOrders.php. https://noc.wikimedia.org/conf/highlight.php?file=InitialiseSettings.php has us set to alphabetic, which is close, but has a number of differences. Can the m:MediaWiki:Interwiki config-sorting order-native-languagename order be added, and en.wikt set to that? (Or, if you believe that the order at m:MediaWiki:Interwiki config-sorting order-native-languagename is wrong and yours is right, can the order at m:MediaWiki:Interwiki config-sorting order-native-languagename be corrected?) —Ruakh TALK 18:40, 16 April 2017 (UTC)

zh.wiktionary
Hi there,

zh.wiktionary have a special way to organize pages, (/zh-hant, /zh-hans, traditional entries redirects to simplified entries, etc), pywikibot had some trouble with this, will Cognate work correctly with zh.wiktionary? Can we expect links to zh.wiktionary on traditional and simplified Chinese entries on other wiktionaries? Thanks. --Thibaut120094 (talk) 08:44, 14 April 2017 (UTC)


 * Basically, the exact name must be mapped like recent IW links, so it should work fine like old ones. I think it will not become problem. However, zh.wiktionary may already have some both simplified/traditional pages that they do not redirect each other. --Octahedron80 (talk) 02:29, 25 April 2017 (UTC)

Can the "title normalization" feature be turned off?
Can the "title normalization" feature be turned off? It seems to be a mistake: that's not how interwikis currently work (at least on the English Wiktionary).

Thanks in advance!

—Ruakh TALK 18:32, 16 April 2017 (UTC)