Talk:Community Engagement (Product)/Collaboration process/Draft

Early stage draft
This might look better in table format. Considering visualization options; ideas welcome. --Rdicerb (WMF) (talk) 07:00, 26 January 2015 (UTC)

Exit path
Perhaps it's supposed to be implied, or an oversight, but the process does not appear to cover any exit path for cancelling a project after problems are identified. The draft indicates that projects can only be "kicked back to an earlier stage" for continued development when issues are raised. I hope you'll forgive me for noting that this is a painfully accurate reminder of the WMF's existing Community Engagement / Collaboration Process. Alsee (talk) 08:43, 7 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Thank you, Alsee, for raising this - it's something we should be asking around towards. Kicking back a project to an earlier stage generally indicates a rethinking, recalibration, redesign of the product against the problems it intends to resolve - problems which, when the product in development is cancelled, are still oftentimes a problem. I think it's more likely that a product in development would be kicked back rather than canceled, but it's appropriate that it be considered.
 * Something else that I've also been thinking: what is an initiative or product sunsetting process when WMF or communities turn off a product that has immense code rot, is otherwise unused, or some other reason to remove a particular feature (usually *not* one in development, usually a product that is no longer being supported). We do not seem to have one. I also think that how we (when I say "we", I mean the Foundation product team in collaboration with communities) make decisions initially to implement something (deciding which projects to do and when to do them) is in need of discussion. I've raised this a bit internally, and think that when the new audience-based product verticals are more settled into their individual product development processes that a there will be much more clarity around it.
 * I created this particular page in time for the MediaWiki Developer's Summit in SF in January (you can see how the first image is actually from the Product Development process draft, and then my team moved to Community Engagement Dept then Product/Engineering was reorg'ed - lots of change in a couple of months. CE(P) process supports product development process so that communities are engaged and informed in appropriate ways, so I'm asking what these new product verticals need so we can rebuild around that. Cheers, -Rdicerb (WMF) (talk) 22:30, 11 May 2015 (UTC)

Draft or defunct?
The discussion above suggests that this page, although named "Draft", is in fact now defunct. please would you clarify its status? Are you basing your thinking on it still? It not, perhaps you could share the new basis for our thinking with the community, who may be in a position to help. Where will you move the discussion on to -- Community Tech, Community Engagement (Product)/Process ideas, Community Engagement (Product)/Products, Community Engagement (Product)/Product Surveys, Community engagement strategy all spring to mind. Rogol Domedonfors (talk) 16:02, 7 June 2015 (UTC)


 * In practical terms, this team's process can't be finalized until the newly reorganized Engineering department finalizes (or completely replaces; it's up to them) its product development processes. I doubt that they will make any significant, concrete progress on theirs until after the new fiscal year begins (because some of the re-org changes won't take place until then).  Realistically, useful progress on this page will be delayed for months.  Whatamidoing (WMF) (talk) 19:21, 8 June 2015 (UTC)


 * Thank you for being so frank. Is there any time planned at which you may be able to restart the process of developing processes for collaborating with the community?  Or implementing them?  Or are these indefinitely postponed?  Do you plan any activities in this area in the interim?   do you regard this as a wholly satisfactory state of affairs? Rogol Domedonfors (talk) 18:39, 12 June 2015 (UTC)
 * Rogol Domedonfors, we like to think that we have never completely stopped finding ways to collaborate with the communities. Whatamidoing (WMF) (talk) 03:45, 14 June 2015 (UTC)