Thread:Talk:MoodBar/No thanks/reply (14)

Saeed.Veradi, you're misunderstanding, and misrepresenting, the point I am trying to make.

New users have just as much of a 'voice' as any other user - and that's something I feel is very important. But you're making it sound as though they're normally disregarded, and that somehow adding this test-feature resolves that - it doesn't.

My actual point is regarding *any* new feature which substantially changes a wiki, such as English Wikipedia - and that any such change should require a consensus. That includes testing new ideas.

If I, or any other Wikipedian, want to make a change (or perform a test of a new idea) on English Wikipedia, we have to get a consensus to do so.

-That does include a change that only affects new users. For example - imagine that I wanted to make a change to automatically 'welcome' all new users on English Wikipedia. If I wanted to run a trial. I'd have to seek consensus to do it. Your comment seems to indicate that asking existing users about changes that affect only new users is a bad idea - well, that's the current way things work. I don't understand how it could work in a different way; how can we ask users that haven't yet joined?

WMF do not have to get a consensus - they are empowered to modify the software to make changes (such as this trial) without consulting the community. However, WMF is funded by the community, and needs to work closely with the community to help improve the projects.

Not only would it be courteous of WMF to seek consensus for changes such as this, but also such communication would help improve relations between WMF and wiki-editors.

Many users - myself included - are frustrated with WMF imposing significant changes (such as this one) without seeking consensus from the community. Chzz 20:43, 9 September 2011 (UTC)