Talk:Wikimedia Performance Team/Backend performance

Good & bad examples
Leave 'em here! Sharihareswara (WMF) (talk) 16:56, 5 May 2014 (UTC)
 * hoo has https://github.com/wikimedia/mediawiki-extensions-Wikibase/blob/master/client/resources/wikibase.client.linkitem.init.js as a good example of lazy loading - used to be a script, "a big JS module in Wikibase that would ahve loaded ~90kib of javascript in the wikipedias". Hoo is finding it to add here. Sharihareswara (WMF) (talk) 23:01, 7 May 2014 (UTC)
 * https://github.com/wikimedia/mediawiki-extensions-Wikibase/blob/877b838aee/client/resources/Resources.php - hoo says, "note that it has *huge* dependencies on other things not usually loaded in client at all. that's the actual point, introducing dependencies" Sharihareswara (WMF) (talk) 23:04, 7 May 2014 (UTC)
 * https://github.com/wikimedia/mediawiki-extensions-examples/blob/ae0aac5f9/Example/Example.php#L104 has good examples of ResourceLoader modules. Krinkle (talk) 13:06, 9 May 2014 (UTC)
 * Migration for existing non-ResourceLoader-using extensions (bad example): ResourceLoader/Developing with ResourceLoader Krinkle (talk) 13:31, 9 May 2014 (UTC)

Bad example for "We want to deliver CSS and JavaScript fast": Extension:SyntaxHighlight GeSHi before – it used to put the styles in the section of page HTML. Matma Rex (talk) 13:17, 9 May 2014 (UTC)
 * TimedMediaHandler has historically had a lot of problems with aggressively preloading CSS/JS modules, not sure if that's been cleaned up yet. Need to dig for specific examples. --brion (talk) 15:18, 9 May 2014 (UTC)

It's kind of hard to provide examples for "We are massively cached!" that would be understandable, but I guess    each provide some kind of a bad example plus a fix for some kind of a cache. You could probably search Bugzilla for 'cache' for more :) Matma Rex (talk) 13:17, 9 May 2014 (UTC)
 * These are good -- the notion that HTML output may sit around for a long time and still needs to be supported by the CSS and JS is a basic one to hammer in. Things where old JS/CSS hang around are in some ways more obvious, but stale HTML can be insidious! --brion (talk) 15:17, 9 May 2014 (UTC)

On latency: some operations may have surprisingly variable network latency, such as looking up image files when Instant Commons is enabled. There can be some ways to manage this: --brion (talk) 15:23, 9 May 2014 (UTC)
 * first, be aware of which code paths are meant to always be fast (DB, memcache) and which may be slow (fetching File info or spam blacklists that might be cross-wiki and go over the internet)
 * when creating a code path that may be intermittently slow, DOCUMENT THIS FACT
 * be careful not to pile on requests -- for instance an external search engine might be slow to return under poor conditions while it's normally fast. Bottlenecking may cause all web servers to get caught up.
 * Consider breaking operations into smaller pieces which can be separated
 * Alternately, consider running operations in parallel -- this can be tricky though, we don't have good primitives for doing multiple HTTP fetches at once right now

Failure to ensure that new or upgraded extensions function properly with other core extensions
It should be required that all upgraded or new extensions that permit the addition of content visible to the public operate with the revision deletion/suppression module, and that any actions related to content creation be included in the logs reported to checkusers - before installation on any non-testing project. This should be a mandatory criterion before installing, even as a test example, on any "real" project; failure to do this has resulted in extremely inappropriate content addition or difficulty for checkusers to identify and block vandals. AFT5 did not have this ability designed in, and required significant re-engineering to fix the problem; after that, a promise was made not to release future extensions on production wikis, even as tests, until the ability to revision delete/suppress and checkuser was demonstrated. Then Flow was released without the ability to checkuser contributions, or to revision delete/suppress. (Incidentally, the reverse is also true - any actions taken to revision delete/suppress any form of content addition needs to show up in the deletion and/or suppression logs.)

I am certain there are other core extensions with which anything new needs to be able to interact appropriately; these are the two I'm most familiar with, so I'm giving this example. Risker (talk) 01:22, 8 May 2014 (UTC)
 * Risker, thank you so much for leaving this detailed comment! I think you are absolutely right that MediaWiki or MediaWiki extension developer needs to consider revision deletion/suppression compliance and the other criteria and tasks you mentioned. However, Performance guidelines is about *how fast* we deliver content to users, not about security concerns like the one you have mentioned. Therefore I am going to copy and paste your comment onto the talk page of Security for developers/Architecture and have already brought it to the attention of Chris Steipp, the Wikimedia Foundation software security expert. Thank you again! Sharihareswara (WMF) (talk) 14:59, 9 May 2014 (UTC)