Talk:Flow/Editing comments

Why I moved this page
Is this page finished or not? The heading still invites to add more reasons but then there is a "conclusion" in the line of "the wiki principle obviously can't work". I really, really, really don't get it. What is wrong with you? It once took me just a few minutes to collect about a dozen use cases why unrestricted editing in a open environment like the Wikimedia world we build over the last decade is absolutely crucial. I can easily come up with dozens more.

I already said that several times in several places, but let me repeat: I once loved Flow and I think I still do, in a way. I absolutely love the fact that somebody is digging so deep into the topic as you and your team does. But this? You are not just ignoring the major, top one principle that made everything we all do a success (including developers, since each line of code can be edited by basically everyone). You are actively negating it. Stating the opposite of what I see in the reality out there. I wasn't aware of the recent discussions on the English Wikipedia. I just dug a bit into it today. I think the main problem of the users in the English Wikipedia is the same as mine. I'm using editing as my major example, they are angry because they can't block pages any more, can't move, can't see diffs, can't use any of the tools and processes they are used to. It's like this thing is breaking each and every workflow. How is this possible? I know your team spend lots and lots of time to avoid exactly that. But still. This is not going to work. This will never be accepted anywhere, at least not on the big Wikipedias like the German one (my main wiki). Please, please don't piss people off. Enable editing by default and let the community decide which talk page should be fully protected by default. This is not your (the WMF's) decision.

It may be true that you created this page as a contractor. But it really is nothing more than your personal opinion, heavily based on selective perception and fallacies. I can go deeper and explain this a lot more, if you want. If you are willing to listen. But since I don't even know if this is read I will stop here for now. --TMg 09:27, 30 October 2014 (UTC)
 * I'm going to go out on a limb and apply a principle of mine, which is that if a message starts on the presumption of incompetence (which yours does) there's probably nothing to be gained from following up on it. In case you're unable to tell from, well, any of my userpages, I'm no longer working on this document (it was last edited by me last year), or for the Flow team; I'm a researcher studying readership. Okeyes (WMF) (talk) 14:00, 30 October 2014 (UTC)
 * Not sure how such a response should do anything but alienate people more. I was referring to "you" as in "the Flow team". If you are not part of the team any more, fine. No need to respond. --TMg 14:55, 5 November 2014 (UTC)