User talk:Fram

--Rschen7754 08:34, 30 September 2013 (UTC)

Your edits to VisualEditor
It's clear that your edits are trolling, as well as editing copies of official correspondence that was already posted crosswiki; please do not do this again. --Rschen7754 08:34, 30 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Fuck off. What about my posts was "trolling"? If it is "official correspondence" that shouldn't be edited, they shouldn't make it editable and clearly indicate that it is for reading purposes only. This is still a wiki, no? Then correcting things is allowed, no, encouraged. Hiding your heads into the sand and acting as if all is well in VE land is not going to help anything or anyone. Fram (talk) 09:33, 30 September 2013 (UTC)

By the way, next time, you should preview your edits before saving them. At the top posting "Dear Fram, Welcome to MediaWiki.org! [...] Thanks, and regards, --Rschen7754", and then continuing with a second section "you are trolling", only makes you look like a fool. Fram (talk) 09:36, 30 September 2013 (UTC)

Ah, I see that you are an admin here, that may explain the entrenchedness of your action. Please, instead of using the cop-out of "trolling", next time try to articulate an intelligent reason for your reverts. If I had wanted to troll, I would have simply replaced the release notes with "Another week, another buggy Visual Editor release". That is trolling; what I did was correcting an incorrect text on a wiki with more correct (but less pleasant) information. I had provided most of these corrections on en-wiki first, but instead of retracting or correcting the text, the best one can expect of the WMF is creating bugzilla bugs (which one helpful developer did) or simpy total silence, despite explicit requests to post feedback there. So if you (WMF, Mediawiki admins, whoever thinks they are in charge here) can't correct things, and you pretend that this is a wiki and that I am an editor here as well if I want to, then you should be happy with my efforts in reporting my findings and correcting the incorrect information the WMF is spreading, instead of calling it "trolling" and bl;indly reverting it. Fram (talk) 09:43, 30 September 2013 (UTC)

Blocked
I'm not the same admin as the one who posted the warning above. At least on this wiki, especially given that you are an administrator on the English Wikipedia, you should know that better civility is expected. There were better ways to convey your concerns; this page is mainly for use by the maintainers of the project. Your edits to it have been disruptive and POINTy.--Jasper Deng (talk) 09:45, 30 September 2013 (UTC)


 * Have you blocked Rschen as well? He accused me of trolling for making actual observations about the errors in your "official" statements. I only replied in kind... Or are admins not allowed to follow policies here, only regular editors? You blocked me for "Intimidating behaviour/harassment", which is strange, since I was not the one that reverted "trolling", and have not posted on his talk page, while he posted on mine. How have I harassed Rschen or anyone here? This block is ridiculous on all accounts. Have you found anything actually wrong with my edit, or simply unpleasant? Fram (talk) 09:49, 30 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Well, my opinion is that the block is needed to prevent you from causing further disruption to that page. "Trolling" is indeed too far, in my opinion, but you seriously need to calm down and find less disruptive ways to convey your concerns. The block rationale more refers to "Intimidating behavior" - your edits to the page were not blockable alone, but your above comments and combativeness do warrant a block.--Jasper Deng (talk) 09:51, 30 September 2013 (UTC)