Talk:Design/Archive/WikiFont

Lock
vs. . This doesn't look very much like reuse to me: one concept of negation (the bar) seems enough, those locks are very hard to see. --Nemo 15:34, 4 April 2014 (UTC)
 * I think the padlock indicates "prevention" of an action (ie. protection) and matches the padlocks used in en:WP:PROTECT. [is that an internationally used standard symbol for wiki page-protection? I'm not aware of any variants, but then I'm monolingual! :( I checked about 20 of the interwiki links from the Enwiki page, and the ones that had images all used padlocks.]
 * Whereas, the diagonal bar/strike/slash is currently used to indicate "reversal" of an action (unhide, undelete, unsuppress). The only alternative symbol for a reversal (that I can think of at this second) is the curving-arrow, as seen in RevertPencil icon.svg - I'm not a fan of that particular icon, and I never liked the shortcut arrow that WindowsOS always uses (plus our usage of it is confusing with the Windows usage).
 * Regarding "hard to see", I guess there'd have to be a "minimal size" recommendation, as these 20px examples are indeed too small, but 30 or 40px might be fine.
 * (I'm not advocating my word-choices (prevention/reversal) as a good guide. There's possibly better keywords, and possibly other subtypes of negation that I'm forgetting). HTH. –Quiddity (talk) 18:55, 4 April 2014 (UTC)
 * Yes, I got the distinction, but I'm advocating that it's useless: this is what I menat with "one concept of negation seems enough". --Nemo 20:47, 4 April 2014 (UTC)
 * Hi Nemo! I see what you mean. I tend to agree to use one concept as much as possible before introducing a new one. The padlock icon is a very often used iconography throughout Wikipedia to show page-protection from edits, that's why I decided to reuse what the community has created and are familiar with. If we used padlock on unflag/revert flag action icon then it wouldn't be so practical anymore. Also, I can create a version for smaller application like how it's portrayed here if we have the need for that. I'll accept requests! We usually create icons when we need them. Quiddity: I can see the similarity between the shortcut arrow and RevertPencil icon.svg. However the shortcut arrow on windows typically appear on the right bottom corner and although that could potentially be confusing, if you look at undo icons they have a consistent pattern of an arrow pointing back that's somewhat top heavy. Arrows are such a commonly used symbol in icons, I can only do my best in using the same mental model combined with our icons. I appreciate your feedback guys, keep them coming, these are work in progress! MGalloway (WMF) (talk) 05:50, 5 April 2014 (UTC)

Check mark
At en:Check mark there are some indications that this might not be a internationally unambiguous glyph. I'm not sure how uptodate/accurate that is though. –Quiddity (talk) 18:27, 4 April 2014 (UTC)

See also pages
How does this page relate to Wikimedia Foundation Design/Agora icon set and Project:Visual identity ? Perhaps we could add a sentence or two, to this documentation page, explaining & pointing to them? (I assume this page is the "short and sweet" version. But possibly you plan to enlarge it greatly, over the months ahead?)

There's also the semi-related Echo/Feature requirements. I'm not sure what other project-specific listings exist, eg. VE?

Lastly, there's the Enwiki en:Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Icons which is about icons in articles (not the site UI) but is interesting nonetheless. HTH. :) –Quiddity (talk) 18:39, 4 April 2014 (UTC)


 * I can add a line or two about how it relates to both of those pages you mentioned. And yes I plan to add more content ASAP! :) I will attach some images of "icons in the wild" to show usages. These are only a few of what we use, as soon as I'm final with Echo icons I'll post them up here to. We try to make the icons not for one specific use whenever possible, that's why I think including usage examples would help other people decide whether it fits their needs as well as keeping the meaning consistent across projects. Thanks for the link, I'll look at them. MGalloway (WMF) (talk) 20:54, 4 April 2014 (UTC)