User talk:Nemo bis

Dolinna 14:27, 13 November 2011 (UTC)

Useful stuff
Translating:Configuration Translating:Group configuration Translating:Group configuration example Translating:Group management Translating:Installation Translating:Page translation feature Translating:Tmserver

Please import from to Help: namespace. Nikerabbit 11:59, 30 December 2011 (UTC)

Estensioni
Ho notato da MOLTO tempo che su MediaWiki ci sono estensioni interessanti, cioè che dallo scrennshot sembrano interessanti. In realtà no nsono mai riuscito a capire cosa siano e come si installano. Se i potresti indicare dove posso iniziare a capire cosa sono o, se ti va dirmelo te, te ne sarei grato. Raoli 20:51, 7 January 2012 (UTC)
 * No. non ho un server. Intendevo sul computer. Vedi non capisco :(--Raoli 21:31, 7 January 2012 (UTC)
 * No,no. Perdita di tempo. Sono stato per 1 ora a provare, ma non ci sono riuscito. Meglio così. Comunque era per provare Extension:ReaderFeedback. Parlando di altro, tu ci andrai a Wikimania 2012? Raoli 23:04, 7 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Ok ho visto lì un po' di esempi. Mi chiedo perchè le sperimentazioni in italiano non le accettiamo mai, eppure perchè non sperimentare? --Raoli 23:22, 7 January 2012 (UTC)
 * (scusa per il ritardo) Beh, non lo sapevo. Sarà perché non godiamo di buona fama di sperimentatori o perché si stanno adeguando al governo italiano che ha tagliato i fondi per la ricerca. Non è giusto!!! Raoli (talk) 20:22, 21 January 2012 (UTC)

Comment / highlight system
Hi. This is really interesting, thanks for posting it. FYI, we mentioned a (hypothetical) similar system during a discussion about quality at WikiSym 2010: Quality assessment tools for Wikipedia readers. guillom 18:20, 2 February 2012 (UTC)

Thanks!
I just noticed the edits you made to my userpage... somehow they slipped under my radar until now. Thanks a lot :) The email welcome link unfortunately doesn't seem to be what I was looking for, but it might get me in the right track :D the bug link is probably relevant, I'll have to ask around to make sure :) Cheers, Waldir (talk) 17:37, 27 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Yes, I thought I knew what you meant but couldn't find the exact page as well. Nemo 19:53, 27 February 2012 (UTC)

Re: Extension talk:LiquidThreads/Notes
Sorry Nemo, I think this is already in bugzilla somewhere. Although I do not believe it is fixed yet. I was just commenting on the irony of the example. https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=30175 - Schalice (talk) 18:13, 1 April 2012 (UTC)

Problema
Ho notato che il software di mediawiki non riesce a interpretare come link questo link http://www.ilgiornale.it/a.pic1?ID=546387 all'interno di un template. Esempio: Se vedi la pagina Edoardo Mori andando in modalità di modifica puoi notare come abbia dovuto sostiuire a = il suo corrispondente &#61; (qui li vedi uguali, ma se ora leggessi questa conversazione in modfica noteresti la differenza). Quindi bisognerebbe proporre di leggere il segno = come &#61;. Infatti in questo modo il link in un template funziona. Altrimenti no. Hai qualche idea a proposito? :) Grazie Raoli (talk) 14:33, 10 April 2012 (UTC)
 * È il normale funzionamento dei template, [//it.wikiquote.org/w/index.php?title=Edoardo_Mori&diff=475181&oldid=475171 si sistema cosí] quando un parametro ha un =. --Nemo 18:00, 10 April 2012 (UTC)

Link for Project Milkshake"
Hi. About your edit, I asked Alolita for a link this morning :) Hopefully she'll come up with something, but in the meantime, thanks for adding the etherpad link (I didn't know it existed). guillom 12:18, 30 July 2012 (UTC)

Bugzilla and section links

 * Note: This discussion was moved to Talk:Bugzilla.

Re: Future of Toolserver
Grazie per avermi informato, non ne ero affatto al corrente. Però potevi scrivere anche in italiano :) Ciao, -- Frigotoni ... i'm here ; 19:09, 29 September 2012 (UTC)

contributions footer
Hey, you removed the link to meta [//www.mediawiki.org/w/index.php?title=MediaWiki%3ASp-contributions-footer&diff=587942&oldid=578835 here]. The reason I added it, or better changed it to meta, is that it is easier for stewards to lock accounts. We can't lock accounts via the CentralAuth interface on local wikis. The link is very useful when doing spambot checks and saves us some time at least. Please re-consider your change or add another link to meta. Thanks, -Barras (talk) 10:24, 7 October 2012 (UTC)
 * I've reverted myself: the matter is not worth discussing. I should have checked the history better, I just assumed the link hadn't been changed since the era when CA was only on Meta and didn't think of this edge case. Cheers, Nemo 20:33, 9 October 2012 (UTC)

JIRA link
you used a link to JIRA that is private to your account, i. e. it cannot be accessed from other accounts or anonymously. I don't know how to fix this. --Tim&#160;Landscheidt 23:10, 16 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Thank you for letting me know. Looks like saved searches can only be shared with individual users, but I've put the public permalink now. Thanks, Nemo 07:32, 17 October 2012 (UTC)

Translate extension
Due to my ignorance about the translate extension, I was only able to respond to the third point that you raised (and hopefully what I said about that point wasn't too ignorant. :)). Leucosticte (talk) 13:33, 21 October 2012 (UTC)

1.21 welcomecreation-msg change
Thanks for MediaWiki_1.21/wmf5 and notifying the wikis. Should I also make a change to RELEASE-NOTES-1.21 ? I don't understand why that page doesn't reference or incorporate the former. -- S Page (WMF) (talk) 05:23, 6 December 2012 (UTC)

"How to contribute" still not for translation
Hi, I plan to edit a lot How to contribute in the following days. Can you please revert your i18n edits? I volunteer putting those tags back now that I see how it is done. Needless to say, you feedback and help improving that page is welcome. :) --Qgil (talk) 18:47, 24 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Sorry, I saw this message only now. Echo is killing all user talk notifications, it seems. --Nemo 19:52, 24 December 2012 (UTC)
 * No worries. I'm working this week, and I don't expect many translators jumping on the new strings. :)  Where can I learn about all this nice i18n tagging you are doing? This is new to me.--Qgil (talk) 19:54, 24 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Yes, I just imported the old translations, this doesn't prevent changes to the source. Translate has extensive documentation, you can start with Help:Extension:Translate/Page translation example for the tagging. --Nemo 20:15, 24 December 2012 (UTC)

Take a pause

 * Aww thank you so much. :) --Nemo 19:52, 24 December 2012 (UTC)

Re:Find the Vendors
Ciao, Nemo:) Thank you for the interest in my project and the questions. The aim of my project is to find any issues, feedback, suggestions 3-rd party MediaWiki users have as well as what fixes/improvements/services they could possibly contribute back to the community. Currently I am compiling a list of active users to reach out to but I hope the communication with them will start in a few days and I would love to have specific questions for them. So the release notes discussion will definitely be relevant. For what I understand the questions are what information should go in release notes and how should they be organized to be most useful and what extensions should be bundled with core updates? Please let me know if you have any other specific questions and suggestions in mind. I appreciate it!  --Mitevam 15:26, 10 January 2013 (UTC)

CAPTCHAs + spam
Hi. Regarding this edit, is there any evidence to support the claim that CATPCHAs are ineffective at stopping bots from spamming? --MZMcBride (talk) 07:15, 11 January 2013 (UTC)
 * See talk. --Nemo 07:25, 11 January 2013 (UTC)

Invited to join MediaWiki Group Promotion
Thank you for all your work promoting MediaWiki in various forms. You are invited to join the MediaWiki Group Promotion (proposed, waiting for official approval). We are just starting, your questions or feedback about the group itself are priceless. :) --Qgil (talk) 18:31, 11 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Thank you, but I already have enough hats. I've just succeded in getting rid of some, I'll try not to increase them too soon. --Nemo 19:26, 11 January 2013 (UTC)
 * I'm a big fan of saying No, so I fully understand you. Keep the good work!--Qgil (talk) 20:50, 11 January 2013 (UTC)

Please review Template talk:Current versions
Hi, can you have a look at the new template content proposed at Template talk:Current versions? I welcome your advice especially on i18n. The reason for the change is this discussion here. Thank you.--Qgil (talk) 23:30, 17 January 2013 (UTC)

Babel.css
Hi! [//www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Thread:Extension_talk:Babel/Where_is_Babel.css%3F Babel.css is lost or really do not need]? --Kaganer (talk) 08:58, 6 February 2013 (UTC)
 * I'm quite sure it's not needed (nobody reported problems). I don't know why it was removed, specifically: you should browse the log or ask SPQRobin, I've myself wondered what to answer to that thread for a while... --Nemo 09:46, 6 February 2013 (UTC)

/no
As I understand, "no" is unsupported code; Category:MediaWiki_Introduction/no (and all content from ) should be moved to /nb or /nn, with supressed redirects? --Kaganer (talk) 11:05, 13 February 2013 (UTC)

Heads-up
Hi! Can you state your thoughts on User talk:Nemo bis/MediaWiki search? Thanks :) --Waldir (talk) 04:09, 8 March 2013 (UTC)

Fonts for bo, dz
ULS has Jomolhari as default font for these languages. https://sites.google.com/site/chrisfynn2/home/fonts/jomolhari --Santhosh.thottingal (talk) 07:30, 14 March 2013 (UTC)

Thank you for your feedback about Wikitech contributors
Thank you for your feedback in several fronts. It has helped making deep changes to the initial proposal. Looking forward for more feedback and your always welcomed constructive criticism, hopefully now getting closer to implementation details. :) --Qgil (talk) 22:28, 5 April 2013 (UTC)

Reverted edits on MediaWiki 1.15
Hi why did you undid my edits on MediaWiki 1.15

Marking edits for translation
Hei Nemo bis, you added some text in March on [//www.mediawiki.org/w/index.php?title=Help%3AExtension%3ATranslate%2FTranslation_best_practices&action=historysubmit&diff=658573&oldid=581456 this page] (for example), bit didn’t mark it for translation (but [//www.mediawiki.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&page=Help%3AExtension%3ATranslate%2FTranslation+best+practices obviously] have the right to do so). So, is there a specific reason, why this text shall only be visible at the English version but not the translated versions? Meanwhile, this is not the only change on pages with the translation extension which isn’t marked for translation for many months (I can’t say now, if you also made some of the other edits or someone else or both), and I also don’t know any page which lists all those changes that need to be marked, is there such a page around?

In my opinion, it would be better, if the English text and the translations had the same basis, but I can’t see this on many pages I visited today and yesterday. Why is it so and how could that be changed? If there is any possibility to look specifically for all changes on pages with the translation extension that haven’t been marked yet, then it would be best, if they could be checked and marked altogether.

One more question (to you as a translation admin): Why are there translation pages for en: also (which are created by Fuzzy bot and will never be translated or have a need for that). Has that anything to do with the fact that there are so many unmarked pages, so that it is possible to see the difference between the marked and the unmarked version or should they better all be deleted? Greetings -- Geitost diskusjon 16:00, 21 May 2013 (UTC)

[//www.mediawiki.org/w/index.php?title=Help:Extension:Translate/Statistics_and_reporting&oldid=581435&diff=659395 This change of March 13] is also not marked. Perhaps you can take a look at your edits of March, there seem to be more. -- Geitost diskusjon 16:06, 21 May 2013 (UTC)


 * Hello, the page to see unmarked changes is Special:PageTranslation. I didn't mark those because usually that's done by Siebrand or Nikerabbit after they've checked the changes to the docs are ok. In general, if a change is going to be stable enough and there are no errors, there's no reason to wait, but of course translation admins can forget. There's no shortage of pages to translate, anyway. --Nemo 16:20, 21 May 2013 (UTC)


 * Thanks for your answer. Yes, on that page are more of those pages listed that I stumbled over today. ;-) Good to have such a page. It even would be better, if it were possible to see the time the changes are waiting (like it is for pending changes). [//www.mediawiki.org/w/index.php?title=Help:Extension:Translate/Installation&oldid=611358&diff=659398 Here] has been removed a lot of text in March which isn’t marked yet, so translators might do more work, if they translate old text which has already be removed in the source text, so that’s not very best this way. Is there a page, where someone can request marking for translation, so changes don’t get marked for months? Or what is best to do with it? By the way, I also [//www.mediawiki.org/w/index.php?title=Help:Extension:Translate/Message_group_states&oldid=594136&diff=692456 changed] a grammar fault yesterday. -- Geitost diskusjon 16:36, 21 May 2013 (UTC)

Internationalization of MediaWiki:Recentchangestext
I want to make a MediaWiki:Recentchangestext to a multilingual, to be displayed in the user's interface language. I are create Template:Recentchangestext for collect translatable content. But for substitute this text into MediaWiki:Recentchangestext, shoul be used hack with using "MediaWiki:Lang/xx" set of messages. Maybe you'll do import this set (as in Meta:)? --Kaganer (talk) 16:33, 11 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Hello Kaganer, for the sidebar and other interface messages it would be better to use Unstructured element translation, I think. It's used on . --Nemo 18:43, 11 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Okay, but this requires to creating new message group 'recentchangestext-messages' by server admin. You may initiate this? --Kaganer (talk) 21:40, 11 June 2013 (UTC)

About the French MW list
ping about this discussion (thanks for your input I just saw). ~ Seb35 11:01, 23 June 2013 (UTC)

Ma io non lo so
Chiedi tu una cosa su VE e magicamente te la danno! Troppo facile, voglio sapere il trucco. --Elitre (WMF) (talk) 19:50, 1 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Io ho avanzato la tua richiesta, solo questo. --Elitre (WMF) (talk) 20:01, 1 July 2013 (UTC)

Advertising page just added...
I've just seen that a page The Programmes Included In Fitness Trainer Training has recently been added: it appears to be an advertisement. I don't have admin rights here, and I can't delete it myself -- could you please bring it to the attention of someone who can? -- The Anome (talk) 09:31, 8 July 2013 (UTC)

Updating Histlegend
You reverted my change to histlegend so that the link for watchers points back to MZ's now-defunct watcher on Toolserver. I had updated the link to point to the suggested "action=info" on MW.o. I realize I didn't use an edit summary for my change, so that fault is mine. Thoughts? -- ☠ MarkAHershberger ☢ (talk) ☣ 13:41, 19 August 2013 (UTC)
 * I logged out and went to [/wiki/Main_Page?action=info the main page's info] and saw "Number of page watchers 1,244". It seems like the necessary info was there.  Also see this thread. -- ☠ MarkAHershberger ☢ (talk) ☣ 17:01, 19 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Ok, saw that the number of watchers on [/wiki/User:MarkAHershberger?action=info my user page shows "less than 30] when I'm not logged in. Still, that seems useful.  But I'll let you decide that -- it isn't something I've used.  (You were in Hong Kong, right?  I should have found the time to look you up.  Next time...) -- ☠ MarkAHershberger ☢ (talk) ☣ 18:32, 19 August 2013 (UTC)

draft of new section for MediaWiki documentation on Manual:Languages
Have you seen my draft of a new section for Manual:Languages? See also the thread on translatewiki.net. Sorry it has taken a while to get to these. Lloffiwr (talk) 17:13, 10 September 2013 (UTC)
 * No problem Lloffiwr (talk) 17:21, 10 September 2013 (UTC)

Using Wikidata on MediaWiki.org
Hi Nemo, I was thinking, wouldn't it be cool to put data about the various MediaWiki tables and fields in Wikidata, and use that in our documentation pages? E.g., Database table and field prefix registration, which has some of the same data as other pages. Is this doable, and if so, how? I got the impression from wikipedia:Wikipedia:Wikidata that maybe we're not there yet. Thanks, Leucosticte (talk) 16:45, 10 October 2013 (UTC)
 * It's pretty exciting, although I'm not sure which I prefer, this system or Semantic MediaWiki. Probably this system. It's water over the dam, anyway. Leucosticte (talk) 19:31, 10 October 2013 (UTC)

Help:Extension:Translate/Combating vandalism
Could you proofread that page, approve it or integrate it somewhere else where it is still easily accessible? Background: We're getting questions at the Administrator's noticeboard from users who try undoing vandalism-edits. Thanks in advance. -- Rillke (talk) 22:12, 12 October 2013 (UTC)
 * The way you suggest here seems unnecessarily complicated to me: you only have to remember that you can only edit the Translations namespace. If you're not on the correct diff but on its "mirror", the easiest way to reach the Translations: diff is clicking "contributions" next to the editor/vandal's name. --Nemo 07:48, 13 October 2013 (UTC)
 * That's why I was asking you :-) So write this down. Something explaining this "mirror" madness to users who come from wikis without the extension so they understand quickly without having to read the complete manual is required; although I think the translate extension should provide a button in the mirror-diff that allows switching to the actual diff. -- Rillke (talk) 08:32, 13 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Sure. I did, in the coming days the others will see and review it. If it's good enough in your opinion, you can redirect your help page there and point people to that snippet. A link like that is probably impossible because of 45894, but feel free to describe the problem you face and the requirements for a solution in an enhancement request, so that they can consider finding a solution at some point. --Nemo 08:40, 13 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Hmm. I prefer a clear and easy step-by-step guide dedicated to non-translators. But if you're proposing Help:Extension:Translate/Combating vandalism for deletion, please add an anchor to the new Reverting part so one can link to that directly. -- Rillke (talk) 10:46, 13 October 2013 (UTC)

Cite tool in WikiEditor
Hello, can you tell me how to add a Cite option like Wikipedia in WikiEditor toolbar? Titodutta (talk) 08:50, 13 October 2013 (UTC)

Requests for comment/Configuration database
Hi, Requests for comment/Configuration database is being considered as one of the RFCs to be discussed at the RFC review on 2013-11-06 via IRC. You are receiving this notification because you edited or discussed this RFC. We hope to see you there.--Qgil (talk) 00:32, 5 November 2013 (UTC)

VE
Dalle FAQ: VisualEditor works well with the most recent versions of Firefox, Chrome, Opera and Safari (ESR non è il Firefox normale, per cui non mi meraviglio se non va. Vedi anche questo.) Ricordatevi che su en. non si può editare da sloggati e che VE va eventualmente attivato tramite Beta Features. Ciao, --Elitre (WMF) (talk) 21:37, 30 November 2013 (UTC)
 * Ci riprovo. I browser su cui possiamo dire che VE vada adesso sono quelli elencati sopra. ESR (che per ora è alla versione 24 è rotti) "non è" FF. Vedi altre info qui. Il bug che ti ho linkato, e che non è risolto, chiede appunto che anche ESR sia supportato in futuro visto che FF lo è già. In linea di principio per i browser maggiori deve funzionare sicuramente la versione corrente nel momento in cui il supporto viene aggiunto, e nei limiti del possibile forse anche la precedente. Il che significa che se anche VE funzionasse su ESR adesso questo varrebbe per la versione 24 e potenzialmente per la 17, non per la 10. Se stessi parlando con amici, peraltro, mi permetterei di consigliare Chrome per VE. Empiricamente mi sembra che un tot di bug ultimamente riguardino più che altro FF. --Elitre (WMF) (talk) 10:42, 1 December 2013 (UTC)
 * Posso senz'altro rendere le indicazioni relative più chiare. Ribadisco che tutto quello che è diverso dai 4 elencati sopra può non funzionare propriamente con VE (IE non lo carica proprio; alcuni altri possono funzionare come non funzionare, non possiamo garantire niente in merito). Ti faccio sapere qualcosa di preciso mercoledì. --Elitre (WMF) (talk) 17:56, 1 December 2013 (UTC)
 * FYI. --Elitre (WMF) (talk) 10:09, 4 December 2013 (UTC)
 * Non posso garantirtelo. Non è elencato esplicitamente in quella pagina, c'è un bug relativo non chiuso, secondo Liangent non è nella whitelist per cui non funzionerebbe comunque, e non mi risulta di poterlo scaricare per poterlo testare io stessa. Per cui adesso lascio un messaggio in merito nella talk di James qui, così potrai vedere cosa risponde. Saluti, --Elitre (WMF) (talk) 10:28, 4 December 2013 (UTC)

Nice to see you going the extra mile to be helpful over at User talk:Mayankmadan
It saves him from having to ask the question again, and others from having to answer it again. Thanks. :) Leucosticte (talk) 12:38, 23 December 2013 (UTC)
 * Aww. Mostly just the frustration of seeing my messages lost in ping timeout limbo. :) --Nemo 13:52, 23 December 2013 (UTC)

Process for making decisions on default settings
I created this page to discuss whether and how to change our methods of deciding what the default settings should be. Since you've been involved in some bugs pertaining to defaults, e.g. 45022, I thought you might be able to lend some insight. Thanks, Leucosticte (talk) 10:57, 7 January 2014 (UTC)

Who needs +2
Yeah, the prospect of getting +2 seems much less alluring in light of the fact that one isn't supposed to merge one's own code. I felt the same way about enwiki adminship; once I found out that it wouldn't allow me to bypass or override community processes and consensuses to get my way, I didn't want it as much anymore. It's useful to be able to view deleted pages, but Deletionpedia (if resurrected in any form) makes it possible for anyone to do that. Leucosticte (talk) 11:14, 7 January 2014 (UTC)
 * You abuser. :P It's simpler than that, I can bear the "responsibility" of +sysop on any wiki but I don't want anyone to expect me to review changes or fix stuff for this extension just because I technically can approve commits. --Nemo 11:46, 7 January 2014 (UTC)

GCI 2013 Mentor
Thanks for being an awesome guy and a great Google Code-in 2013 mentor! It was a pleasure working with you. :) Thanks a lot, MegaAlex 19:49, 15 January 2014 (UTC).

VectorBeta
You created VectorBeta as a redirect to itself, which is useless, so I marked it for speedy deletion. I'm guessing that's not what you meant to do? &mdash;SamB (talk) 06:33, 13 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Thanks, fixed. --Nemo 08:21, 13 February 2014 (UTC)

Translation of category page names
Hmm.. I still don't get [//www.mediawiki.org/w/index.php?title=Help:Extension:Translate/Page_translation_administration&oldid=910156&diff=prev this]. Can you give me an example? Helder.wiki 20:34, 19 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Pages A, A/en, A/it, A/pt are in categories B, B/en, B/it, B/pt. A for everyone, B for everyone. --Nemo 20:39, 19 February 2014 (UTC)

Status updates
Moved them here for easier following: Evaluating and Improving MediaWiki web API client libraries/Status updates Fhocutt (talk) 00:30, 26 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Thanks! --Nemo 07:14, 26 March 2014 (UTC)

Gentium
Your edit on Typography refresh/Font choice‎ has several issues: So it makes absolutely no sense to include it into the body font survey. Could you please remove it? The page may be visited heavily due to the upcoming change on the English Wikipedia. — Edokter  ( talk ) — 20:54, 31 March 2014 (UTC)
 * 1) The survey has been concluded
 * 2) Gentium is not sans-serif
 * 3) Gentium is not a default OS font
 * No.
 * Never heard.
 * Wrong.
 * Citation needed.
 * --Nemo 05:43, 1 April 2014 (UTC)
 * WRONG? Are you sure we are talking about the same font??? Gentium is as serif as they come. And I cannot prove what does not exist; you need to provide an OS where Gentium is included. — Edokter  ( talk ) — 10:28, 1 April 2014 (UTC)
 * You seem to be confused. That's not the standard with which that table was assembled. I raised the sourcing level of that table, feel free to improve further. --Nemo 10:30, 1 April 2014 (UTC)
 * Apparently I am. I still don't know how Gentium fits any description in that section, and you link it to Andika, which is a completely different font. Just enlighten me, why is Gentium there? — Edokter  ( talk ) — 11:11, 1 April 2014 (UTC)
 * Because it's a broadly used high quality free font designed for many of the languages we have in MediaWiki. --Nemo 11:23, 1 April 2014 (UTC)
 * Still how does it fit into a font survey for sans-serif body fonts that are installed by default? — Edokter  ( talk ) — 13:27, 1 April 2014 (UTC)
 * See above. --Nemo 13:31, 1 April 2014 (UTC)

Not exactly....
here's how my filter works: curl http://dumps.wikimedia.org/enwiktionary/20140328/enwiktionary-20140328-pages-articles.xml.bz2 | bzcat | ./testFiltr.php

This builds the word lists directly from the compressed dump, and saves them to my hard disk. Currently this only works for en.WT, of course, but this could easily be modified to work with any wiktionary if someone can put in the time to learn their layout. This can be automated via a cron job to process the latest dumps as they become available.

Filtering for other criteria can be added to the processing: I'll make a modular system for applying those filters at some point, but in order to create them I need to understand how to identify 'good' or 'bad' criteria.
 * 'bad word' lists (possibly by language?)
 * confusables
 * single script

I fell off IRC 'cuz I had to switch networks to my phone to test this run. (The phone company apparently breaks secure connections to Freenode.) - Amgine (talk) 18:36, 1 April 2014 (UTC)

WMF language portal and "advanced grammar"
Nemo, thanks for your echo. I was just linked to that page by someone while talking with them about machine translation – the future improvement of which I've learnt to be cynical about. I'm first of all puzzled at claims in the portal concerning "advanced grammar" ... and on the other side of the coin, I wonder how relatively simple "rules" for plurals and gender are going to add value to, say, what google translate can already do. And why such a narrow focus is of any practical utility to WMF projects, given the magnitude of the task of producing good machine translation (give it half a century at least, I say). How do I probe the strategies that have led to these claims? I'm not a programmer and it's hard to know how to penetrate the information on that page.

On a related matter, I plan to write a fairly short guide in user space on how to get the best out of google translation: specifically, how to write text in one's native language for basic communication with other Wikimedians that minimises the chance of bad mistranslation. This arises from my recent experience in covering the PotY prizes and needing to communicate with a few of photographers of the top-ranked pictures who don't speak English. Would you be in a position to provide me with some feedback when I've done the draft? Tony  (talk)  12:17, 21 April 2014 (UTC)


 * Hi Tony1, thanks for your interest and copyediting. Grammar, Plural and Gender are just necessary features for MediaWiki's own i18n: they do require a lot of work and as such are handled together with Unicode's CLDR, but they have nothing to do with machine translation. Maybe the page is not clear enough.
 * As regards machine translation, the Wikimedia Foundation is very well aware that content translation is a very ambitious project (both Google and Microsoft have tried and failed on Wikipedia): I daresay it's likely to fail, but still worth trying. I didn't manage to understand the actual contour of this project either, but I'm quite sure nobody thinks Wikimedia is going to create new machine translation services; we're not even sure how we could help existing ones! Discussion is ongoing at Talk:Content translation.
 * I could be called a rather advanced user of machine translation for crosswiki communication purposes, so I'll gladly read and comment your guide. Your can probably also get feedback from stewards and SWMT folks who work in esoteric languages everyday. :) --Nemo 15:08, 21 April 2014 (UTC)

Compact Personal Bar Rename
We can't move pages with associated Flow boards at this time because the Flow board doesn't move with it. The team is aware of this, though I'm not sure of a specific bug. I've moved the page back to the original name in order to reconnect the existing discussion.--Jorm (WMF) (talk) 21:15, 23 April 2014 (UTC)

User:Jasper Deng/Cascade
I have partially reverted your edit because you apparently don't get that I have long used create protection and would have a good reason to use cascading protection instead.--Jasper Deng (talk) 17:26, 31 May 2014 (UTC)

Autoreviewer rights
Thanks for the confidence. - Fabsouza1 (talk) 14:58, 3 June 2014 (UTC)

Outdated translations
Hi. Before using "Pywikibot touch script", if a translation unit is outdated, please FUZZY the unit. e.g. Translations:Version lifecycle/10/de, 43/es --Shirayuki (talk) 03:51, 10 June 2014 (UTC)
 * That's not possible, touch.py only makes null edits. (I used a more descriptive edit summary, but touch.py can't make use of it.) You may want to file a bug against Translate because it doesn't add !!FUZZY!! when (null) editing via API as it does when editing manually. I know this solution was highly imperfect, I asked translations to be refreshed server-side instead: but WMF is not currently working on translation support so I don't have high hopes. --Nemo 06:33, 10 June 2014 (UTC)

Protected pages & translations
You've cascade-protected How to contribute/Translations, but now pages Translations:How to contribute/22/be-tarask and Translations:How to contribute/26/be-tarask marked as outdated in translations and cannot be translated as the message states: The page you're trying to edit is protected because it's included in a cascade-protected page. Is there any possibility to unprotect them or make them protected only for anonymous users? --Red Winged Duck (talk) 12:12, 8 July 2014 (UTC)


 * +1. Just came to update Translations:How to contribute/26/cs and was rejected. (Honestly, just reverting [ this change] (modulo replacing the link targets with the variables) would be acceptable.)
 * I understand the problem, and also that it is impossible to cascade-semi-protect, but the current solution does not seem to work really well… What can we do better? Promoting translators to all languages to sysops? Don’t think that would be accepted. Creating a new user group of translators, protect the Translations namespace, and have every translator request the translator bit? That could work, I guess, but might scare away translations of less-visible (less important) pages…
 * --Mormegil (talk) 13:26, 8 July 2014 (UTC)


 * It's indeed a pity that the translations were invalidated merely because of some semi-cosmetic markup changes on a page that should ideally never change; Shirayuki kindly cleaned up most of it weeks ago. I'll unprotect the pages you mention but I'm dubious about removing the protection completely: that was asked at Project:Requests and should be discussed there if you desire a faster expiry (it's set to expire in less than one year from now). --Nemo 14:01, 8 July 2014 (UTC)


 * Hi, Nemo bis: I was trying to update the Spanish translation and saw this thread. Would it help to add the translate right to translators to avoid this protection issue in the future? Thanks —Fitoschido (talk) 09:39, 27 July 2014 (UTC)


 * Everyone has translate right here, do you mean removing it from someone? It seems excessive, this page has more problems just because it's the only one linked in the footer of all Wikimedia projects and receives a lot of clueless visitors. --Nemo 10:36, 27 July 2014 (UTC)


 * Right, my mistake. Well, I guess I’ll wait until the block expires, then. —Fitoschido (talk) 11:33, 27 July 2014 (UTC)

New Email
Hi there Nemo.

I have sent you an email. If you are just getting this now, it may take a few minutes for the message to be sent into your inbox. Thanks. A 2 05:06, 5 August 2014 (UTC)

Re:Invalidating translations for markup changes
Maybe that's why I'm not using the "Mass migration tools". I apologize for my changes. - Fabsouza1 (talk) 16:21, 9 August 2014 (UTC)

Math
Hi, I updated the Extension:Math page instead of https://www.mediawiki.org/w/index.php?title=Manual:Enable_TeX&oldid=739264 to de-duplicate content. --Physikerwelt (talk) 21:03, 11 August 2014 (UTC)

Template:Localized link
Hi! See last update of ll (documented). See example in Manual:Account_creation/pl (last link is automatically localized). --Kaganer (talk) 21:21, 12 August 2014 (UTC)

[/index.php?diff=1114571&oldid=1104131 New update] ;) Used in the Template:Special page. --Kaganer (talk) 16:11, 21 August 2014 (UTC)

Articles
“300 Saal Guru De Naal”

Hearing about all that that was going on with the “Nagar Kirtan” on the television, it was one fine day that I booked my train ticket to Nanded, took an autorikshaw to New Delhi Railway Station, and boarded a train to Sachkhand Hazur Sahib. A kooli helped me to get from the autorikshaw to the platform where the train was supposed to arrive. A few minutes of making friends with the people waiting to board the train, and the train arrived from Amritsar, and I embarked for my new escapade outside the big city called Delhi. Once inside, I made myself comfortable stretching out on the airconditioned berth on the lower level. And as I did, the railways staff started pouring in from the pantry next doors with all kinds of edibles from snacks, to Agra ka Petha and Pedas to Tea/ coffee/milk, lunch, dinner, breakfast, etc., and also bedsheets and blankets and towels and pillows. And so did the Kaar Sewaks from “Manmad” station with free snacks, tea, coffee,etc. As the neighbours in the carriage also made themselves comfortable there, conversations started about where they came from to the technology in their respective countries, to their skills, to the kinds of people in those countries, to people buying land on the moon!!! The couple from Malaysia talked about the automated trains there without drivers, that are run by computers, the ones from Australia talked about the kinds of people there, and the ones from America talked about trips to the moon for an x amount for general public. And amidst these conversations, the train halted at Nanded station, which seemed to be newly renovated and decorated in anticipation of visitors from all around the world. An short trip in the autorikshaw and I reached the Yatri Niwas newly built for the Sangats. The rooms were as comfortable as those of hotels. Some freshening up, and I reached the Gurudwara Sachkhand Hazoor Sahib to pay my homage at the shrine. There was Nagar Kirtan just outside of the Gurudwara with decorated trucks with the priests and the Guru Granth Sahib ji inside and the priests distributing “Parshaad” and sweets, and people from all parts of the world participating in the same doing Kirtan outside those trucks. As I made my way through the crowds to the holy shrine, I noticed teams of television staff busy relaying the full coverage all over India. The priests inside performed the daily rituals and also displayed Guru Gobind Singh ji’s “Shastras”, the hundreds of years old armaments. Some of these were also displayed in the “Nagar Kirtan” trucks outside. After paying my homage, I proceeded to the many Langar halls setup at different places in the small city of Nanded, a city of “steadfast devotion, scholarship, and saintly sacrifice”. These varied from a big “Langar Hall” inside the Gurudwara premises with a big skylight being it’s main feature to many other “Langar pandaals” or tents all over Nanded organized in celebration of the festival by “Kaar Sewaks” fro all over the world. All of Nanded was asked not to cook at home all throughout the festival days, and have a feast at these Langars, which included a Chinese food Langar, and and others serving North Indian food complete with sweet dishes like “Jalebi” and “Kheer”. A good night’s rest and I was ready to explore the new found land further. I negotiated with a local autorikshaw driver to show me all the local Gurudwaras in the area. And amidst talks about the farms there, the new airport, which we went by, the crops, the countryside, and the fresh breeze, we saw Gurudwara Maltekri Sahib ji, Gurudwara Sangat Sahib ji, Gurudwara Shikar Ghat Sahib ji, Gurudwara Mata Sahib Devan ji, Guruwara Heera Ghat Sahib ji, Gurudwara Nagina Ghat ji, Gurudwara Bandaghat Sahib ji, Gurudwara Damdama Sahib ji, Basmatnagar, and Gurudwara Bawli Damdama Sahib ji. Six o’clock the next morning, and I was off to Bidar in a four-wheel drive, alongwith some farmer friends from Punjab, who had also come for the Guruta Gaddi celebrations. The four-wheel drive drove us all the way to Karnataka, almost crossing Andhra Pradesh on the side, amidst Jaikara’s of “Bole so nihaal, sat sri akaal”. We saw Gurudwara Nanak Jhera at Bidar, and another one on the way. The conversations of the farmers accompanying me ranged from “Submersible pumps” to “Sant Giani Jarnail Singh Bhindranwale” that was. By late evening, we got dropped back at Takhat Sachkhand Sri Hazur Abchalnagar Sahib. After the fourth of November, when the celebrations were over, I started asking people around on what else was there to be seen at Nanded, I got to know about a new Mall that is under construction close to sachkhand, on the other side of teams of television staff busy relaying the full coverage all over India. The priests inside performed the daily rituals and also displayed Guru Gobind Singh ji’s “Shastras”, the hundreds of years old armaments. Some of these were also displayed in the “Nagar Kirtan” trucks outside. After paying my homage, I proceeded to the many Langar halls setup at different places in the small city of Nanded, a city of “steadfast devotion, scholarship, and saintly sacrifice”. These varied from a big “Langar Hall” inside the Gurudwara premises with a big skylight being it’s main feature to many other “Langar pandaals” or tents all over Nanded organized in celebration of the festival by “Kaar Sewaks” fro all over the world. All of Nanded was asked not to cook at home all throughout the festival days, and have a feast at these Langars, which included a Chinese food Langar, and and others serving North Indian food complete with sweet dishes like “Jalebi” and “Kheer”. A good night’s rest and I was ready to explore the new found land further. I negotiated with a local autorikshaw driver to show me all the local Gurudwaras in the area. And amidst talks about the farms there, the new airport, which we went by, the crops, the countryside, and the fresh breeze, we saw Gurudwara Maltekri Sahib ji, Gurudwara Sangat Sahib ji, Gurudwara Shikar Ghat Sahib ji, Gurudwara Mata Sahib Devan ji, Guruwara Heera Ghat Sahib ji, Gurudwara Nagina Ghat ji, Gurudwara Bandaghat Sahib ji, Gurudwara Damdama Sahib ji, Basmatnagar, and Gurudwara Bawli Damdama Sahib ji. Six o’clock the next morning, and I was off to Bidar in a four-wheel drive, alongwith some farmer friends from Punjab, who had also come for the Guruta Gaddi celebrations. The four-wheel drive drove us all the way to Karnataka, almost crossing Andhra Pradesh on the side, amidst Jaikara’s of “Bole so nihaal, sat sri akaal”. We saw Gurudwara Nanak Jhera at Bidar, and another one on the way. The conversations of the farmers accompanying me ranged from “Submersible pumps” to “Sant Giani Jarnail Singh Bhindranwale” that was. By late evening, we got dropped back at Takhat Sachkhand Sri Hazur Abchalnagar Sahib. After the fourth of November, when the celebrations were over, I started asking people around on what else was there to be seen in Nanded, I got to know about a new Mall that was under construction close to sachkhand, on the other side of Godavari river, across one of the six bridges linking the sprawling habitation on either side of the Godavari. The new Mall will have a hyper-market, a major fast-food outlet, smaller shops, a large atrium, a food-court, office spaces, a multiplex and hotel rooms. The evenings I enjoyed at the local restaurants that served anything from Paranthas to Chinese to Non-vegetarian food too. The day after that, I indulged in watching a movie at a local cinema and the evening I spent at a major bazaar that was still very well decorated with all the roads and buildings lit-up with flashing lights. There were also the new high-rise apartments for “Kaar-Sewaks” on the same road, alongwith the old Gurudwara Sarais for visitors and Langar Halls. Another day of making friends with visitors from all over the world there, and I headed back home the next day, on Sachkhand Express. The views of the farms on the way and conversations with people on the train and the food and the courtesy of the railway staff took me back to Delhi for me to get back to my daily routine.

Hervinder Bhandari