User talk:AKlapper (WMF)

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Groups/Proposals/Bug Squad
Hi. A few users have expressed interest in Wikimedia's Bugzilla installation here: Groups/Proposals/Bug Squad. I wonder if it would make sense to create a mailing list that could be auto-CC'd on new Bugzilla-related bugs in Wikimedia's bug tracker (i.e., add a default CC similar to "bug-squad@lists.wikimedia.org" for bugs filed in Product: Wikimedia --> Component: Bugzilla). Thoughts? --MZMcBride (talk) 04:51, 14 March 2013 (UTC)
 * I've been thinking of a mailing list for "soft" topics that are related to Bugzilla and bug management (and maybe even QA to go broader), but I have a feeling that there's too many mailing lists already. Bugzilla tickets in Bugzilla can be anything from technical "the SSL attachment redirect is broken" or "add component foo to product bar" which is only interesting for admins to workflow/social issues, so stuff should be diverse enough that it might not be interesting for the audience. But I guess I should work again on adding the "ComponentWatching" extension to Bugzilla so anybody can get the bugmail for any Bugzilla component. Need a proper test environment (Labs) for that first though, so postponed to second quarter of this year. :-/ --AKlapper (WMF) (talk) 17:41, 14 March 2013 (UTC)
 * Also, https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Project_talk:WikiProject_Bug_Squad or https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Talk:Bug_management might be good places to discuss Bugzilla related stuff and get more opinions, instead of my personal talk page. :) --AKlapper (WMF) (talk) 17:46, 14 March 2013 (UTC)

Just testing with my second account
Just testing with my second account

Special Page Question
As far as you know, is it possible in a couple of special pages in it:voy (User list and Active user list), to add another ordering criteria, specifically: edit numbers? --Andyrom75 (talk) 11:01, 20 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Hi, I'd recommend to ask either on the MediaWiki Support Desk or on the Technical Village Pump of Wikipedia. There are lots of people that know way more than I do. :) --AKlapper (WMF) (talk) 19:26, 20 June 2013 (UTC)

Log in
Hallo Andre,

wg. de:Wikipedia:Fragen_zur_Wikipedia: kommt da noch was? Ist das weitergeleitet worden? Gerade die Problematik beim Interwikilink in Data ergänzen ist für mich unverständlich, denn vor der Log-in-Umstellung hatte ich keine solch gearteten Schwierigkeiten. Beim Lesen auf Commons kam heute auch aus heiterem Himmel das Hinweisfenster, ich wäre jetzt angemeldet - da hatte ich aber schon lange fleißig meine Beo und die Neuzugänge studiert. --PigeonIP (talk) 13:48, 1 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Hi PigeonIP, ka, da ist gerade noch etwas gekommen. War aber auch erst weniger als 24h her, dass ich dadrauf kommentiert hatte. --AKlapper (WMF) (talk) 14:07, 1 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Danke dir. Ich werd den bug aber nicht schreiben, weil auf Bugzilla wird von mit eine Neuanmeldung erwartet - finde ich unmöglich oder überflüssig, weil ich habe ja schon einen SUL-Account - und zum anderen kann ich kein eloquentes Englisch, um dieses Problem adäquat darzustellen.
 * Das Problem des separaten Logins wird in https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14487 behandelt - da wird sich leider in den naechsten sechs Monaten erstmal nichts dran aendern, aber es gibt zumindest einige Ideen das mal anzugehen. --AKlapper (WMF) (talk) 15:36, 1 August 2013 (UTC)
 * 2008?!?!?! dass lässt doch dieses "wir brauchen mehr input" in einem ganz anderen Lichte erscheinen. Damit hast du mich grade echt geschockt. Und wozu braucht man explizit eine öffentlich einsehbare e-mail-adresse? --PigeonIP (talk) 19:17, 1 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Das Alter von Bugs sagt meiner Meinung nach nichts aus. Man braucht eine E-Mail-Adresse, weil Bugzilla Ende der 90er Jahre so entwickelt wurde und es seitdem keiner gefixt hat. --AKlapper (WMF) (talk) 08:49, 2 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Und jetzt bitte nicht falsch verstehen, aber genau dieses "trag es doch auf Bugzilla" (hatte ich auch schon anderen Fällen, wo ich gerne Feedback geben wollte) trägt zu dem Bild der WMF/Entwickler im Elfenbeinturm bei, die sich ihre Aufgaben/Probleme/Bugs auf dem Silbertablett präsentiert und aufbereitet dargereicht bekommen wollen, anstatt selber mal in der Küche vorbeizuschauen und den Teller dort abzuholen.
 * Es gibt so einige WMF-Entwickler die recht aktiv in den Foren und VillagePumps sind, andere eher weniger. Ich denke das ist recht normal mit Individuen. Eine generelle Elfenbeinturm-Mentalitaet kann ich nicht beobachten, es ist aber wahrscheinlich das bestimmte Foren interessanter sind fuer bestimmte Entwickler als andere, und man muss sich die Zeit auch einteilen. Zudem gibt es auch einige WMF-Leute und viele Community-Mitglieder die in Foren berichtete Probleme in den Bugzilla uebertragen. Ich mache das auch gerne, nur muss ich dann zumindest faehig sein, den Fehler zu reproduzieren (auch um Nachfragen im Bugzilla beantworten zu koennen), und das ist speziell hier "leider" bisher nicht der Fall, daher meine Anfrage ob das jemand erledigen koennte. --AKlapper (WMF) (talk) 15:36, 1 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Ich habe ja auch nicht gesagt, dass diese Mentalität besteht, nur dass beim Otto-Normal-Autoren, der sich nicht im IRC und in Mailinglisten herumtreibt, weil er mit der eigenen Beo genug auf dem Schirm hat, dieser Eindruck entstehen kann.
 * Dein Nicht-Bug-Eintrag wegen fehlender Reproduzierbarkeit ist verständlich. --PigeonIP (talk) 19:17, 1 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Das ist wie im Restaurant (wir drehen das Bild mal um): der Koch arbeitet in der Küche (Entwickler im Bugzilla/MediaWiki/weiß der Geier), der Gast sitzt im Restaurant (der Autor in seinem Projekt). Jeder hat sich in seinem Bereich gut eingerichtet und ist mit einer Schwingtür vor dem anderen abgeschottet, damit sie sich nicht sehen müssen. Entweder hat es jeder der Beiden zu bequem und sie sollten in und an eine Imbissbude, bzw. auf beide Seiten einer Durchreiche/eine Theke, gestellt werden, oder es fehlt der Kellner.
 * Bitte nicht persönlich nehmen und tut mir leid, wenn du jetzt als Blitzableiter herhalten musstest, aber das musste eben auch mal raus. --PigeonIP (talk) 14:33, 1 August 2013 (UTC)
 * P.S. Ich mag diese offenen Restaurants, wo ich dem Koch auch mal persönlich sagen kann, dass die Nudeln lecker sind oder die Suppe versalzen war . Die Servicefachkraft hat so etwas unpersönliches in der Kommunikation mit der Küche . --PigeonIP (talk) 14:58, 1 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Och, ich komme mit Kritik gut klar, ich sehe ja auch nicht alles in rosarot bei der WMF. Ich denke das Problem liegt eher darin dass nicht jeder (und speziell die Entwickler mit denen Du vielleicht in einem speziellen Fall sprechen moechtest) in jeder VillagePump, jeder Mailingliste, und jedem IRC-Kanal drin sind. Ich selber muss auch schauen auf welchen Foren ich wie oft vorbeischaue, einfach weil es noch weitere Kommunikationskanaele gibt die auch gelesen werden wollen, und andere Sachen zu tun gibt. Wikimedia hat in den letzten Monate mehrere "Community Liaisons"-Personen bekommen, ich hoffe das dies ein wenig helfen wird. --AKlapper (WMF) (talk) 15:36, 1 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Das was du da ansprichst, ist eines der Probleme: es gibt viel zu viele Briefkästen, viel zu viele Kommunikationskanäle, von denen nicht immer klar ist, welche jetzt wirklich von Bedeutung bzw. die für mein Anliegen "richtig" sind (und dann noch separater Anmeldung bedürfen - quasi mit Auslese) oder welche davon gar verwaist. Hinzu mag noch kommen, dass der ein oder andere Entwickler (auch Autor) da seine Favoriten hat, die ihm am angenehmsten sind. Anstatt einer Kantine für alle gibt es viele kleine Hinterzimmer mit Lieferservice, um bei der obigen Analogie zu bleiben (oder mindestens Abstufungen Futterautomat/Imbiss/Kantine/Marchee/Casino). Die "Community Liaisons"-Personen (Kellner) mögen ein Puzzleteil sein, die können immerhin durch die Schwingtür/hinter die Theke treten, aber eine offene Küche ist auch das leider noch nicht.
 * Wegen der "Community Liaisons" bin ich aber auch ein wenig skeptisch, ich kenne da zu viele andere Beispiele, wo "Liaisons" dazwischen geschaltet wurden, um Ruhe zu schaffen, sprich sich besser abzuschotten. Einige "Kundenhotlines" funktionieren so, dass die die Prügel bekommen, die für andere bestimmt sind und selber aber auch keine Infos/Möglichkeiten fürs Verbesserungsmanagement bekommen. Jedenfalls sind auch die kein Allheilmittel. Ich mag den Ansatz aber dennoch gerne begrüßen. --PigeonIP (talk) 19:17, 1 August 2013 (UTC)

My friend was going to work well on a topic you want to help
create your own wiki project that we would like to add to the lua language but that medyawi How to install ubuntu or are. If you have experience or knowledge about this topic would be glad if you share --Enemyx
 * Hi, sorry but I have problems to understand your request. Could you please elaborate, and explain why you contact specifically me? Thanks! :) --AKlapper (WMF) (talk) 17:52, 6 December 2013 (UTC)

Request for editbugs
Can you give editbugs to the jackmcbarn+wmbzgmail.com Bugzilla account? Thanks, Jackmcbarn (talk) 03:55, 19 December 2013 (UTC)
 * Sure, here you go! :) --AKlapper (WMF) (talk) 10:55, 19 December 2013 (UTC)

On-wiki chat
I wonder, could we put this project https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Future/Real-time_collaboration on the agenda, and what would be the right venue to gain consensus towards starting it's implementation?Tdfdc (talk) 08:37, 9 January 2014 (UTC)
 * Hi Tdfdc, I think I'm not the right person to ask when it comes to resource allocation. I wonder which "agenda" you refer to; to get things going you could discuss potential first steps on the talk page or wikitech-l. Hope that helps. :) --AKlapper (WMF) (talk) 10:15, 9 January 2014 (UTC)
 * I was referring to the sentence "Believed to be interesting enough to explore, not officially on the agenda." that appears in "Status" section of https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Future/Real-time_collaboration. Who is the right person when it comes to resource allocation please?Tdfdc (talk) 12:21, 9 January 2014 (UTC)
 * Between the lines it so far felt like you are talking about Wikimedia Foundation but it's not clear to me. Have you already tried on the talk page, or contacting the people who expressed their interest? That looks like the way to go to me in mostly volunteer driven bottom-up projects. 11190 might also have some thoughts worth to read. --AKlapper (WMF) (talk) 12:43, 9 January 2014 (UTC)

"Original intention"
Re this, I'm pretty sure her original intention was to spam for the link at the bottom :-). --Tim&#160;Landscheidt 12:56, 28 April 2014 (UTC)

PdfHandler extension
My rationale was to remove duplicated information, since this is already included in the extension's info box. However I forgot to remove the reference at the top of the page. The page was a total partially outdated mess before I worked on it and this just happened in the heat of the action. So no worries since this is a wiki after all. Cheers --&#91;&#91;kgh&#93;&#93; (talk) 13:50, 15 August 2014 (UTC)
 * In that case, please feel free to go ahead and remove the reference on top. I wasn't sure... :) --AKlapper (WMF) (talk) 14:12, 15 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Let's do it at the next (big) overhaul. It does not harm to have this is both spots after all. Cheers --&#91;&#91;kgh&#93;&#93; (talk) 14:42, 15 August 2014 (UTC)

Mobile view version of Wikipedia bahasa Indonesia
Please improve the appeareance of this page like on English Wikipedia. Thanks. Relly Komaruzaman (talk) 02:44, 10 October 2014 (UTC)
 * Please contact the Wikimedia mobile engineering team. Thank you! --AKlapper (WMF) (talk) 08:47, 10 October 2014 (UTC)

Events/FOSDEM/2015
Events/FOSDEM/2015 is on the road and in our topic for the first General assembly of Wikimedia Belgium this Saturday. Let's start to manage the wikimedia stand. Cheers, Lionel Scheepmans (talk) 18:10, 20 January 2015 (UTC)

Phabricator
You're welcome. It's just my job. - Fabsouza1 (talk) 17:29, 2 February 2015 (UTC)

Phabricator - Latvian Wikipedia
Hi! I have some questions. We (Latvian Wikipedia) want to make some software changes. I know, I need to report them in Phabricator, but currently I wanted to know what can be done and for what we need community voting. So here is the things: So currently you could just confirm, what can be changed and for what we need consensus. --Edgars2007 (talk) 16:10, 2 March 2015 (UTC)
 * in formatnum we would like (because it is in Latvian language) to increase minimal number to separate thousands from 4 to 5
 * in parser functions like formatnum and expr we want to change decimal mark from point (.) to comma
 * change colon to point in clock time (12:32 -> 12.32)
 * there are problems with date display in some places, like signature. We would like to change the format there, I can't specify the changes, because it wont tell you anything. If you could tell in which place this is defined, then I probably be able to show examples. Also, in Recent changes list, where currently is "2 (march) 2015" (or "3 (march) 2015", if you see this tommorow :) )
 * we would also like to "fix" the alphabet in some places. See here, at the bottom of page press the "Šajā lapā izmantotās veidnes". There you see "Veidne:Ņujorka" as the last of template, but it should be after "Veidne:Navbox". The listing should be as it is in category. The same problem here (ending of the list - VietasKarte/dati/Āfrika etc.).
 * Hi, for general information on when consensus for configuration changes is required, please refer to https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requesting_wiki_configuration_changes (of course that requires a configuration setting to exist). I don't know the specific details for everything you listed above, but I imagine that some of the current rendering is not even a MediaWiki setting or decision at all but taken from the Common Locale Definition Repository (CLDR) instead, e.g. the rendering of time like 12:32 is defined for Latvian here: http://unicode.org/cldr/trac/browser/trunk/common/main/lv.xml#L1148 . "formatnum" seems to be defined as translations in MediaWiki core (again not a configuration) for some languages, but Latvian does not have that in https://git.wikimedia.org/blob/mediawiki%2Fcore.git/HEAD/languages%2Fmessages%2FMessagesLv.php . So I'm afraid I cannot help here much either (but if filing Phabricator tasks, preferably only one request per task, see How to report a bug). --AKlapper (WMF) (talk) 18:04, 2 March 2015 (UTC)

A kitten for you!
Thanks for being always there when I need it.

Elitre (WMF) (talk) 14:34, 25 March 2015 (UTC) 
 * You are very very welcome! It's a pleasure to help. :) --AKlapper (WMF) (talk) 14:40, 25 March 2015 (UTC)

Starting conversion of LiquidThreads to Flow at mediawiki.org
Hello. I'm sending this to you, because you've been one of the top 50 users of LQT on mediawiki.org over the last 360 days, and I wanted to make sure that you'd seen the announcement at Starting conversion of LiquidThreads to Flow at mediawiki.org. There are links in the topic-summary at the top, for other discussions (wikitech-l and Project:Current_issues), and a link to the planned process and timeline (scheduled to begin April 6, with smaller conversions at first). Please do test Flow out at Talk:Sandbox if you haven't tried it recently, and give any feedback/suggestions/requests at that main discussion location. Much thanks, Quiddity (WMF) (talk) 23:46, 27 March 2015 (UTC)

Your profile picture on Phabricator
Thanks for uploading a profile picture on Phabricator. However this media is missing permission information. No source is given, nor is there any proof that the author or copyright holder agreed to license the file under a free license. Please provide a link to an appropriate webpage with license information, or send an email with copy of a written permission to OTRS (permissions-en@wikimedia.org). This also applies if you are the author yourself.

Please see this page for more information on how to confirm permission, and Commons:Permission if you would like to understand why we ask for permission when uploading work that is not your own.

Unless the permission information is given, I will be forced to contact WMF-legal regarding this issue. Thank you for your time.

Yours truly,

Jonatan Svensson Glad (talk) 23:54, 10 April 2015 (UTC)


 * Thanks for bringing this up. https://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Terms_of_Use and https://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Terms_of_Use/Phabricator apply. I fail to see the reference to OTRS or Commons here as Phabrricator avatars are hosted on phab.wmfusercontent.org and having to provide either a link or written permission in every case. But as this might be a general issue with any avatars in Wikimedia Phabricator, please feel encouraged to discuss the topic of Phabricator user avatars in T1180. Regarding the specific case of my currently used avatar in Phabricator, see the section "May I use the pictures for …?" on http://www.sp-studio.de/faq/ . --AKlapper (WMF) (talk) 20:26, 13 April 2015 (UTC)
 * Please read the "Is this an official South Park website?" which explains it is not an official website for South Park and that the creator of that website do not own the copyright to the avatars distributed on that website. Also ready the "Forbidden" section under "May I use the pictures for …?" which explains that it can not be used for comercial purposes, and what I know Phab isn't allowed to claim Fair use, but I don't know. As for the task I would like it reopened even if Legal does not answer, since we need to forma a comunity desition on how to handle copyright violations anyways, even if they do not make a statement. Just my 2 öre (Swedish cents). Josve05a (talk) 20:59, 13 April 2015 (UTC)
 * It seems irrelevant whether it is an official website for South Park hence not sure why you bring that up? Unfrotunately I could not find the place where "the creator of that website do not own the copyright to the avatars distributed on that website" is written, maybe you could provide the exact code and the section? I'm also curious to understand how you see a "commercial purpose" in my avatar use in Wikimedia Phabricator. Thanks for your help! --AKlapper (WMF) (talk) 21:12, 13 April 2015 (UTC)
 * When I wrote "code" I obviously meant "quote", sorry for that. --AKlapper (WMF) (talk) 13:58, 15 April 2015 (UTC)