Talk:Roadmap/Archive

Version 1.4
In my opinion for Wikipdia users WikiCommons, single user for multiple languages and a search function are the most important issues. -- Nichtich 22:01, 31 May 2004 (UTC)

Importance of forum-system for better discussions ?
How important is a forum like system ? Who is interested in it ? Has anyone asked for it before ? Is there a better page to talk about it ? Help ! --Betacortex 18:28, 20 May 2004 (UTC)

I think forums are one of the most important parts of any web site. What other media offers users to have such of an interaction. We can easily get by the gate-keepers.

Numbered namespaces
"   : expands to a local namespace name. For example,      or      is expanded to the local name for the talk namespace"


 * What's the point of this? MrJones 15:38, 2 May 2004 (UTC)


 * If you're on a wiki whose language you don't speak, you could just use    :Blah to create a link in the Project: namespace. Dori | Talk 04:58, 11 May 2004 (UTC)

Edit conflict merging
Nice to see this. Only one query: will this feature require the presence of an external diff3 utility or is the code included in MediaWiki? If the former, is it freely available for Windows? Phil 15:51, 6 Apr 2004 (UTC)


 * It will require diff3. It is available for Windows as part of Cygwin.--Eloquence 17:26, 6 Apr 2004 (UTC)


 * I tested it using UnxUtils, not Cygwin. It should work either way though. -- Tim Starling 00:14, 7 Apr 2004 (UTC)

New variables
will show the site name. What if someone creates Template:SITENAME and then uses or  ? Angela 16:16, 6 Apr 2004 (UTC)


 * The site name, not the template, will be displayed. To display the template, could be used. -- Tim Starling 00:14, 7 Apr 2004 (UTC)

"Big up" to the developers
Can't wait for the future to be now. Pcb21 16:55, 6 Apr 2004 (UTC)
 * I love the new partial match function--I accidentally typed SemiBugText, and it offerred the correct SemiBugTest, which was what I was really looking for. 68.123.121.5 05:53, 29 May 2004 (UTC)
 * D'oh! Didn't notice I wasn't logged in. Niteowlneils 05:54, 29 May 2004 (UTC)

WikiHiero
When do you planed to add WikiHiero to Wikimedia? It's already working on test server (with &lt;hiero&gt;&lt;/hiero&gt;). There is anything else that must be done first? A &#9774; ineko 04:47, 7 Apr 2004 (UTC)
 * Yes, it'll be in 1.3. Do you want to write about it, or will I? -- Tim Starling 05:56, 7 Apr 2004 (UTC)
 * As I speak English like an old Egyptian mummy, I prefere you write about it ;o) I will try to finish WikiHiero guide page as soon as possible. A &#9774; ineko 15:50, 7 Apr 2004 (UTC)
 * What's the programme for keeping TestWikipedia up-to-date with the latest version of WikiHiero: there're some outstanding (in all senses :-) bugs which are apparently fixed in the latter but not on the former. --Phil 08:53, 11 May 2004 (UTC)
 * Just updated wikihiero again to latest cvs code. -- Gwicke 15:18, 11 May 2004 (UTC)

Will the templates accept parameters?
This page does not explicitly say so, but I have heard they will. Pcb21 09:13, 7 Apr 2004 (UTC)


 * I also heard about that. A &#9774; ineko 15:50, 7 Apr 2004 (UTC)


 * Yes, templates will accept parameters. -- Tim Starling 05:28, 11 Apr 2004 (UTC)

When will PPCHTeX etc be included?
PPCHTeX, Lilypond, TIPA, etc. support were displayed on Wikisophia, but that site's vanished. When is the Wikitex functionality coming to Wikipedia? What happened to the Wikitex sandbox? How come the hieroglyphics people get their syntax, but the chemistry and music folks still don't? Grendelkhan 16:12, 18 Apr 2004 (UTC)


 * It's a conspiracy among the MediaWiki developers. We secretly loathe chemistry and sheet music because of bad childhood experiences. Hieroglyphs, on the other hand, have been featured in some really cool movies (The Mummy, The Mummy Returns, The Mummy vs. Godzilla etc.), so that was one primary motivation in including them.


 * It is also related to the fact that the code on Wikisophia has been written by one individual who has not communicated with us about it beyond announcing it, that it has never been released, that it has been applied to an unknown, probably outdated MediaWiki version, and that we have no idea whether the code is vulnerable to denial of service attacks and security exploits. If you want this code in MediaWiki, you should contact the person who wrote it, which would be Peter Danenberg, who can be reached at danenberg at mitdasein dot com.--Eloquence 20:46, 18 Apr 2004 (UTC)


 * Update: Some Wikitex stuff now checked in. If it works it has a pretty good chance of making it into 1.4.--Eloquence 23:42, 31 May 2004 (UTC)
 * Which stuff? Is it on TestWiki for testing? --Phil 13:26, 1 Jun 2004 (UTC)
 * Where? It's not up on test.wikipedia.org, so far as I can tell. (Also, I don't know what syntax it's using; is there a short doc for it anywhere? I noticed that it's in the CVS, under 'extensions', but not checked in under the main tree. When I downloaded the CVS (a few days ago, but after July 1), it seemed to need some polishing to integrate it---specifically, the parser doesn't have support for the or or whatever tags yet. Is it live somewhere, so we can bang on it and try to break it? Grendelkhan 16:22, 6 Jul 2004 (UTC)

Recently got Wikisophia back up, and WikiTeX integrated with Phase 3; my understanding was that &lt;rend music>&lt;/rend> should be replaced by &lt;music>&lt;/music> before integration. I'll post a patch, nevertheless, for early adopters; a slight infelicity with page preview to be worked out. Danenberg 12:01, 27 Jul 2004 (UTC)


 * Update! WikiTeX now supports XML of the form &lt;go>&lt;/go>, and is available for download at http://wikitex.org (http://wikisophia.org for testing and development). We've added support for go, Feynman diagrams, XyMTeX and TengTeX; SVG and GnuPlot are next up.

Note about test server
Should this page mention that 1.3.0 is being tested on http://test.wikipedia.org ? I would have added it myself but I'm not a developer and didn't wan't to step on any toes. - 130.194.13.103

Preferences
Samples of tabs using JS. The first one has a nearly usable fall back when JS is disabled, the second one is still missing this.
 * http://www.onlinetools.org/tools/domtabdata/
 * http://phase3.mormo.org/tabs.html

Template: and MediaWiki:
Starting today, on the italian Wikipedia, all Mediawiki:xxx pages are locked for editing (except for admins). The Template:xxx pages contain a reditect to the respective Mediawiki:xxx page but are editable. I see un english wikipedia it works the other way round. Mediawiki:xxx pages are locked but contain a redirect to Template:xxx pages that are editable. Should we wait for a script to run or should we switch the pages manually? And wouldn't be nice to post an advice in the community portal of the various edition before doing this kind of things, so that people doesn't have to spend time to uderstand what's happening and what they shoul do? (Or maybe it's our fault because we still don't check so often for news in metawiki? In this case we would appreciate a sort of tutor that explain us how to use it efficently). Thanks,
 * Snowdog 00:03, 4 Jun 2004 (UTC)


 * The mailing lists are also a good place to look for such announcements, i.e. and, as are the IRC channels (#wikipedia and #mediawiki mostly). Dori | Talk 00:23, 4 Jun 2004 (UTC)

Thanks. Snowdog

tag
I think that it would be nice if we had a small icon to insert a template tag on the edit toolbar that would insert – for the selected word

Languages and localisation
what has Languages and localisation to do with edit conflicts?


 * Fixed. Some text in the edit box was not rendered, apparently due to the variables $wgSiteName and $wgMetaNamespace in the text. --Patrick 09:00, 5 Jul 2004 (UTC)

The import of Special:Import
Special:Import is potentially useful for the Minnan Wikipedia. We're currently at a loss over how to migrate articles from an external and experimental wiki to Minnan without losing the history. Doing an Export-Import for each of the 100+ articles has been suggested. In terms of encoding this would be UTF-8 to UTF-8 (i.e. no re-encoding necessary). A-giâu 05:36, 6 Jul 2004 (UTC)

Support for integration with legacy systems
When running different web services like chat, forum, and wiki, you would think of a common user administration. Unfortunately, the table and field names in mediawiki are hardcoded into various source files. Even the user table is spread all over special page scripts. For our local wiki, at least for the user table I implemented an abstraction to allow configuring its name and attributes. Of course, I followed a simple approach, which is not too generic. As a result, SQL-Queries look like the following: $sql = 'SELECT '.User::Field('user_id').' as user_id'. ' FROM '.User::Table. ' WHERE '.User::Field('user_name')." = '".wfStrencode($s)."'"; I'd appriciate such kind of schema abstraction for legacy integration issues in one of the next versions. It is not that difficult to do and eases changes. It further may support the issue of Database abstraction. I wonder if anyone else is interested in this topic or is working on a similar task. Else, this might go into a seperate topic for detailled discussion or into the feature requests. --Dwight 12:31, 17 Oct 2004 (UTC)