Talk:Reading/Web/Desktop Improvements

Limit the screen width
I think the worst one can do is limit the screen width... I's far less relaxed for reading and a waste of screen space. Switched back to the previous version. 213.219.163.24 23:41, 21 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Hello! I'd like to invite you to read this page: Reading/Web/Desktop Improvements/Features/Limiting content width. There we've documented our arguments for this change. If you prefer the full width, you may use the button in the bottom right corner of the screen, too. I hope this solves the issue! SGrabarczuk (WMF) (talk) 17:57, 30 March 2023 (UTC)
 * I have a somewhat related question. I see that there is a toggle on the MediWiki site in the bottom right corner to adjust width, which is great... but I don't see it on my own install using Vector 2022 (MediaWiki version 1.39.3). Is there something I'm missing in order to make that visible? I don't have the "Enable limited width mode" option in user preferences either. Thanks in advance for any insight you can offer. Adoxtater (talk) 02:29, 27 April 2023 (UTC)
 * My install of MediaWiki also does not have the full width toggle button. Fanra (talk) 10:39, 25 May 2023 (UTC)
 * If you're not seeing the limited-width toggle, it might be because the browser window is too small. Currently, per T326887 the limited width toggle is only available when the browser window is bigger than 1400px wide. JDrewniak (WMF) (talk) 17:57, 26 May 2023 (UTC)
 * I have dual monitor and stretched the window to run the full width of both and still no toggle button. However, on the mediawiki site it does show up even on a single monitor. Unless, of course, they're running some other code that makes it happen I guess. Adoxtater (talk) 22:21, 30 May 2023 (UTC)
 * I have designed an alternative toggle button that I feel better represents the functionality... and emailed it to answers@wikimedia.org. Is there a better way to share it?? 68.83.135.144 18:24, 25 May 2023 (UTC)
 * I have designed an alternative toggle button that I feel better represents the functionality... and emailed it to answers@wikimedia.org. Is there a better way to share it??
 * Disallowing me to upload... AlanGochin (talk) 18:31, 25 May 2023 (UTC)
 * I'd like to say that even after reading those pages and the research about page-width, from my perspective it's a bad default setting because it works against the things that page says it's being implemented to improve.
 * In my experience it's made wiki in general less readable because the article content is now  less than 50%  of my ultrawide screen (2560px horizontal resolution, default text width ends up at ~1025px) which creates the effect of a newspaper with only one, often extremely long column, hurting readability because you have to jump lines and scroll so much more often which at least for me completely breaks the flow the article had. In fact, I'd describe it as closer to an old school scroll than a newspaper. :/ 203.12.8.36 06:43, 8 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Being a long-time user of Wikipedia I have to say the old look is more superior than the new one. Not only is it wider it is also more simple. Having the contents on the left side of the screen in the new look isn't that helpful because the first thing people see in an article is the introduction. Volcanoguy (talk) 00:09, 21 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Limiting width is actually much more comfortable to read, especially for ultra wide or big screens, and it's the reason most modern websites are formatted that way. Limiting the width of the article also allows to keep in view useful interfaces on the sides, such as the index, shortcuts to various tools and URLs, and so on. CapoFantasma97 (talk) 11:57, 19 August 2023 (UTC)
 * limiting is the worst I need some way to disable it, because it difficult to read map, tables, genealogical map, edit code, etc Iqudoblev (talk) 18:09, 6 September 2023 (UTC)
 * @Iqudoblev: Hello, you can follow this instruction to expand the width. Thanks. SCP-2000 (talk) 02:41, 7 September 2023 (UTC)
 * What are the options for "$wgVectorMaxWidthOptions" as if it has a max-width setting then this should solve to problem for those of us that need full width to display multi-column table data and complex graphics? ScotGill (talk) 11:12, 11 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Ignore me ScotGill (talk) 13:52, 11 October 2023 (UTC)

Some opposes and supports with same argument

 * Moved at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_comment/Rollback_of_Vector_2022#Some_opposes_and_supports_with_same_argument

searching: no suggestions for pages in extra namespaces
Hi there -

thank you very much for your work :) I just noticed that with mediawiki 1.39 and the accompanying vector 2022 skin, the suggestions in the search box only return hits for pages in the default namespace, but not for pages in custom namespaces.

So … given that there is a page "whatever" in the main namespace and a page "whatever2" in a custom namespace with the same content and that searches should include the custom namespace:
 * searching with vector 2022 only suggests "whatever"
 * searching with the timeless skin suggests both "whatever" and "whatever2"

The expected and desired behaviour is the timeless one.

Thank you for looking into this, Thoralf. T tfbb (talk) 08:15, 30 August 2023 (UTC)


 * Thanks @T tfbb, we'll look into this! SGrabarczuk (WMF) (talk) 21:29, 14 September 2023 (UTC)

WHY WAS THIS ADDED?!
I friggin' hate the new look and it being the default for every project. The old look has become somewhat iconic, and disabled preferences for IPs have taken it away from them. To put it simply: NOT COOL. IPs are people too (talk) 18:34, 14 September 2023 (UTC)


 * Hello @IPs are people too. Thanks for coming here. I hear you; although we think the change is positive in general, it isn't necessarily better for each person with their specific needs. I presume you have selected Vector legacy as your default skin, haven't you?
 * Indeed, the lack of preferences for not logged-in means that this audience can't change the skin they see. But over time, they will be able to customize more and more things about the interface. Is that something you'd like to be informed of every now and then? SGrabarczuk (WMF) (talk) 21:38, 14 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Agree this change makes it useless... would like to see statistics for how many users who actively disable the new look - Salgo60 (talk) 23:20, 10 October 2023 (UTC)

The
Is it possible to disable the magic word  in Vector 2022? As I understand it is only used when the Table of Content is affecting readability of the article; as it is too dominant regarding article text. In Vector 2022 it is hidden or in the left margin and the Table of Content does not affect the articles text. By disabling the magic word for Vector 2022 all pages will look the same with the "hamburger menus" in the same places. LittleGun (talk) 08:45, 16 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Hello @LittleGun, it's good to see you here on MediaWiki.org. We were working on T317818 which seems to be related, but apparently, there were no clear decisions regarding the direction for NOTOC. I'll ask the team. SGrabarczuk (WMF) (talk) 22:01, 16 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Thanks, here is a link to the Village pump at Swedish Wikipedia discussing this matter 1. A lot of the discussion is about when, and how to, use NOTOC in other skins. But everyone agrees NOTOC can be disabled in Vector 2022 for Wikipedia. LittleGun (talk) 12:34, 17 October 2023 (UTC)

目的の対象は？
こんにちは、お疲れさまです.

Reading/Web/Desktop Improvements/Updates/2023-10 for sister projectsをウィキクォート・ウィキブックス（いずれも日本語版）から、Google翻訳で読みました. 率直に私の感想を言いますと、「いい加減にしてください ≒ vecter2022への変更を断ります」です. skinをより良くしたい気持ちはともかくとして、私にとっては良くなっていません. 既出での問題ではありますが、目次とヘッダーが私の主要な問題点です.
 * 目次に対して - wikipediaは大項目主義と小項目主義とどちらを取るのかをまだ決定されていないと把握していますが、大項目のページでは、indexではなくTOCが要点として有用であったと思います.
 * ヘッダーに対して - ログインユーザーでないと固定されないのでは、スティッキーヘッダーの目的を達成できていないでしょう.
 * 他 - 「おまかせ表示」がハンバーガーの中に入ったのは不便ですが、それは私の（モバイル）環境があまり良くないからだと納得できますが、姉妹プロジェクトを閲覧するのに毎回メインページに戻るのは面倒です.

英語版wikipediaでも、vecterレガシーから2022に変更されたとき、かなりの不評があったのを見ていますが、「ウィキメディア財団 Web チーム」から、vecter2022を押し付けられてる感が否めません. 目的はskinの改善であって、wikimedia運動の参加者（ログインユーザ）を増やすことではないはずです.

以上、あくまで私個人の感想ですが、あらかじめ失礼をお詫びします. 温厚知新 (talk) 15:20, 19 October 2023 (UTC)