Talk:Talk pages project/Replying/Prototype testing

Not working for me.
I tried to comment following the instructions. First time I tried to save, the message just disappeared. Second attempt the system humg up and I had to close the tab to get out. Firefox/windows 10 desctop. Logged out. Pbsouthwood (talk) 11:14, 20 January 2020 (UTC) If I click on New section, I would expect an edit window much like the one for reply, and consistent behaviour for saving previewing etc. There still needs to be a way to edit sections and the whole page as is now the case. The reply function is useful, but we still need to be able to curate the page. Pbsouthwood (talk) 13:47, 23 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Thank you for attempting to try the prototype, and for letting us know about the issue you encountered (not being able to publish a comment to the talk page and for that comment to disappear when trying to do so). We have been able to reproduce this issue. Are you able to try the prototype on this talk page (en.wikipedia.beta.wmflabs.org/wiki/Talk:Dogs) and reply here whether you were able to successfully publish a comment or not? It seems like this issue is confined to this particular talk page. In the meantime, I've replaced the problematic (en.wikipedia.beta.wmflabs.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Cats) with the one that seems to be working (en.wikipedia.beta.wmflabs.org/wiki/Talk:Dogs).   PPelberg (WMF) (talk) 16:48, 20 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Made a few more logged out tests (IP105...) on Talk:Dogs. (don't worry, I am not worried that my IP address may be connected to my username) Seems to work better, but not entirely as I would expect. New sections drop the new system. Cheers, Pbsouthwood (talk) 06:12, 21 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Thank you for following up – I'm glad to hear the prototype is now working for you!
 * A couple clarifying questions...
 * 1. By saying New sections drop the new system. are you referring to the fact that the new system does not support being able to start a new section (e.g. ) from within the body of a reply?
 * Yes, and if you start a new section in the normal way there is no reply link on the new content and it is not autosigned either when creating or thereafter. I guess these are all tied together. Pbsouthwood (talk) 09:16, 21 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Got it. Thank you for clarifying that. Have you noticed when you typically start a new section in the same edit as replying to a comment in an existing conversation?
 * RE if you start a new section in the normal way there is no reply link on the new content and it is not autosigned either when creating or thereafter. I guess these are all tied together. As I think you discovered in this edit, the reply link appearing depends on a comment [either in an existing conversation or a new one] being signed.
 * Beyond expecting your signature being automatically appended to the comment you post, are there any other parts of the "starting a new discussion" workflow you find difficult/frustrating/inefficient/etc.? I ask because this happens to be the next feature the team will be working on and we are just beginning the design process. PPelberg (WMF) (talk) 04:39, 23 January 2020 (UTC)
 * I have been using the old system for 10 years and I guess I am used to it, warts and all. Being able to reply directly to a specific edit is very helpful. Being able to immediately find my last edit would also be very useful, and being able to spot all my edits on the page also useful. I like having the edit preview on by default, and on WP I get my sigs highlighted. Having the whole of my most recent edit highlighted could be a way to make it easy to find.
 * 2. Are there other ways the new system behaved in ways you didn't expect?
 * Not sure what to expect really, other than consistency. Pbsouthwood (talk) 09:16, 21 January 2020 (UTC)
 * ...the more details you can share the better. PPelberg (WMF) (talk) 06:21, 21 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Thank you for following up, Pbsouthwood...A few questions in response:
 * Being able to immediately find my last edit would also be very useful
 * In your experience testing the prototype, has it been difficult for you to see where the comment you just published was posted to the talk page?
 * If I click on New section, I would expect an edit window much like the one for reply, and consistent behaviour for saving previewing
 * You expecting there to be consisting between the new replying and starting new discussion workflows is helpful to hear...thank you for sharing this.
 * There still needs to be a way to edit sections and the whole page as is now the case.
 * Absolutely. We – Editing Team – see full page editing as something that needs to be preserved, no matter what other new features are introduced to the page. PPelberg (WMF) (talk) 16:22, 30 January 2020 (UTC)
 * You expecting there to be consisting between the new replying and starting new discussion workflows is helpful to hear...thank you for sharing this.
 * There still needs to be a way to edit sections and the whole page as is now the case.
 * Absolutely. We – Editing Team – see full page editing as something that needs to be preserved, no matter what other new features are introduced to the page. PPelberg (WMF) (talk) 16:22, 30 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Absolutely. We – Editing Team – see full page editing as something that needs to be preserved, no matter what other new features are introduced to the page. PPelberg (WMF) (talk) 16:22, 30 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Absolutely. We – Editing Team – see full page editing as something that needs to be preserved, no matter what other new features are introduced to the page. PPelberg (WMF) (talk) 16:22, 30 January 2020 (UTC)

No, but they have been small pages. On a large talk page with large sections it is sometimes necessary to search for my username, then go through the several instances that are highlighted. On ENWP I have a script that highlights my signature in yellow, which is a huge help, as not so many users use yellow highlight on their sigs to confuse the issue. Unfortunately when editing this feature is not there, so a search for a key word can help. Pbsouthwood (talk) 10:22, 8 April 2020 (UTC)
 * In your experience testing the prototype, has it been difficult for you to see where the comment you just published was posted to the talk page?
 * It might be useful to default highlight the user's sig on talk pages, or have a button to toggle it on and off.

not working for mee too
On the page of the task is does not work: https://en.wikipedia.beta.wmflabs.org/wiki/Talk:Dogs

Not working for me. Trying 'Reply' on the second till most inner lines comment : I get ''This comment can't be replied to using this tool. Please try using the full page editor instead.''

Accepted for first reply; => 16:30, 10 December 2019 (UTC)Reply => opening a text box down.

Once published, my text appears nowhere.

https://en.wikipedia.beta.wmflabs.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Dogs&diff=prev&oldid=419107

salvage write remains possible in the source : take care

On this page (from topic above) https://en.wikipedia.beta.wmflabs.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Catsit <= it is ok I can insert

I reply here 213.245.48.203 (talk) 20:14, 8 April 2020 (UTC)Reply

Christian FR (talk) 19:53, 8 April 2020 (UTC)

Error contacting the Parsoid/RESTBase server (HTTP 500)
Hello, today I cannot post a message anymore on https://en.wikipedia.beta.wmflabs.org/wiki/Talk:Dogs. I systematically get an error message that says "Error contacting the Parsoid/RESTBase server (HTTP 500)" whatever the text I type. At the opposite, everything works fine on https://en.wikipedia.beta.wmflabs.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Cats Pamputt (talk) 21:11, 19 April 2020 (UTC)

New section should not be indented
Hello, when I click on the New section tab, a new section is created but is indented as shown here. It is not clear why. In addition, it could be nice that thte signature is automaticaly added if MediaWiki detects that it is not present when creating a new section. Pamputt (talk) 21:18, 19 April 2020 (UTC)

Feedback topic titles
May I suggest prefixing the topic titles created by the feedback link (https://w.wiki/RQD, here) with "Feedback: " to make it easier to distinguish from the rest of the discussions? — Aron Man. 🍂 edits 🌾 12:05, 22 May 2020 (UTC)
 * , great idea. Done: https://w.wiki/RZg. Thank you for saying something (and for giving version 2.0 a try!). While we're here: did you find any aspect of the test confusing? We'd like to have confidence the test is formatted well before publicizing it more broadly. PPelberg (WMF) (talk) 15:25, 22 May 2020 (UTC)


 * , the test was straightforward for me, though I'm quite familiar with the concepts. I think it's well worded, easy to follow.
 * Though, I think there's one less important point that will steal the show:
 * 8. Change the ping you created in step 7 to someone else.
 * In IM solutions editing a ping is not an option, or I've never noticed it: never needed it, I just delete the ping and do it again. If this question is not asked, I'd have never felt the need to try changing it.
 * I think this is not a practical use-case and the question is distracting from more important use-cases, so I'd remove it and ask testers at the end if they've encountered any functionality that was counter-intuitive or confusing, to see if they explore this naturally, without being directed to. I think it's possible very few ppl will notice it or mind it. Personally, I'd just remove or disable that functionality if it causes confusion. — Aron Man. 🍂 edits 🌾 16:02, 22 May 2020 (UTC)


 * This feedback is helpful – thank you. I agree with you in thinking Step 8 (8. Change the ping you created in step 7 to someone else.) may not be a common use case. As such, I've updated the language to read 8. Remove the ping you created in step 7.. Reason: we are curious to know how people experience the link dialog in the context of phab:T252083. PPelberg (WMF) (talk) 23:53, 26 May 2020 (UTC)