VisualEditor/Feedback/Archive/2012/06

Upload and Insert Images in one step
Brilliant work! It still lacks some tools, like insert images, videos, audio and documents (pdf, xls, etc) Insert an image or any file from our computer is a complicated process in mediawiki. For common people is almost impossible.

It is so different to the that people get used to in windows and mac applications. In mediawiki you have to click on a link at the sidebar (not in the Editor toolbar) to upload. After that, you have to copy the file name and close the dialog. Then you click in the button to insert. Then you substitute the "File:Example.jpg" by the name previouly copied.

Compare this to the way Wordpress 3.3.1 Editor implemented. They made it so easy to insert images in one single button, one single step! Why don't you use that code? It is well written and it is free. With a few changes you could use that stable and tested code to quickly implement a very useful feature to Visual Editor.

The step by stepUpload Wizard with image copyright may be good for Wikipedia, but is an extension of unnecessary complexity, useless in many other wikis like the one I am developing for fifty thousand users in an intranet environment.

Upload and insert images should be as simple as Wordpress implemented so well in their visual editor.


 * I personally agree that on the design and user-interface level, Wordpress has done some great work and should be an inspiration. The media upload/handling is one area Wordpress does quite well indeed. Jérémie Bouillon (talk) 14:26, 22 June 2012 (UTC)


 * In order to block as less as possible the editing flow I would follow an approach of "adding image to the document first, setting metadata later": Once you select an image from your computer it appears at the document with a footer where some lacking metadata could appear as placeholders (e.g., "no description", "no category") that can be edited in-place. For mandatory information (e.g., name or license) these placeholders may be visually presented as warnings and even block the image from being shown in the saved article if not completed. Pginer (talk) 16:29, 22 June 2012 (UTC)


 * Thank you for this idea; I've added it to our task-list as 37932. Jdforrester (WMF) (talk) 17:18, 25 June 2012 (UTC)

Enhancements
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What about adding LaTeX to the selection of markup formats? Or DocBook XML? Or TEI XML? Is the underlying data model capable of supporting hierarchical structured markup? 109.255.79.69 19:55, 8 May 2012 (UTC)


 * Ah, TEI is something I would like to see featured as well! I don't know what else that entails though apart from adding XML-like tags. Currently the only way to use that, as far as I'm aware, is Extension:TEITags, but it was specifically created for a transcription project at UCL, and so is not guaranteed to work on any MW site. Cavila MW 1.17, MySQL 5.5.23, Php 5.3.10, SMW 1.7.1 20:23, 29 May 2012 (UTC)


 * Thanks for these ideas; I've added them as 37933 and 37934. Jdforrester (WMF) (talk) 17:22, 25 June 2012 (UTC)

Great Idea, but formating not working using Opera 11.64 Win
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I can enter Text, but not a single formatting option works using Opera 11.64 on Windows. Please keep on developing this editor. It will be a great help for us in our internal wiki. It will allow even the secretary to edit additional text without training. Especially a help for Tables will be highly appreciated. 62.225.0.136 05:56, 16 May 2012 (UTC)


 * Thank you for your feedback. We're definitely going to include support for Opera and (hopefully!) easy editing of tables. Jdforrester (WMF) (talk) 17:23, 25 June 2012 (UTC)

table
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When I copy the table into the table in the visual one....The normal noe breaks and never wake upagain. Justincheng12345 (talk) 13:09, 25 May 2012 (UTC)


 * Thank you for your feedback; we've replace the code so much that this probably no longer occurs, but I'll look for it. Jdforrester (WMF) (talk) 17:24, 25 June 2012 (UTC)

Why not use a typical editor style?
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It seems that an editor such as TinyMCE, or the editor that Yahoo uses would be adaptable (or limited) to specific wiki functions.

This would eliminate the pain of designing and coding a new one, and learning the new design by editors, especially "domain experts" who don't even like computers.

HTH

69.168.144.143 22:17, 29 May 2012 (UTC)


 * Myself I think it's good the Mediawiki team take a shot at the best visual editor possible. Not to be constraint be an existing code base, poor design choices (not a shot at TinyMCE, but there is currently no decent—yes I have very high expectations—visual editor, they all fall short somewhere). And plurality of solutions is good, keep everyone on their toes. Jérémie Bouillon (talk) 14:24, 22 June 2012 (UTC)


 * Thank you for your feedback; we've looked at re-using an existing editor but unfortunately none of them were appropriate for our needs, and as Jérémie says, their usability isn't great either. Jdforrester (WMF) (talk) 17:26, 25 June 2012 (UTC)

Great
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Good editor. Good Luck and good joob 187.54.35.43 20:42, 30 May 2012 (UTC)


 * Thank you! Lots still to do. :-) Jdforrester (WMF) (talk) 17:27, 25 June 2012 (UTC)

Errors
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I have some errors in the current deploy: TypeError: 'null' is not an object (evaluating 'nodes[0].getElement.attributes') 3load.php:20TypeError: 'null' is not an object (evaluating 'node.children') TheDJ (talk) 19:41, 18 June 2012 (UTC)


 * Thank you for your feedback; we've replaced the code so much that this probably no longer occurs, but I'll look for it. Jdforrester (WMF) (talk) 17:27, 25 June 2012 (UTC)

Bold, italics and headings don't always work.
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The headings never work. The formatting sometimes breaks. I hope to use this extension as it is released as a usable product with MediaWiki Muqman 52 (talk) 00:26, 19 June 2012 (UTC)


 * Thank you for your feedback; we've replaced the code so much that this probably no longer occurs, but I'll look for it. We look forward to getting to the point of releasing it as a standard part of the MediaWiki release. Jdforrester (WMF) (talk) 17:28, 25 June 2012 (UTC)

Change button text for unsaved 'are you sure' dialog?
If you try and leave a page that you've edited before saving, you get a nice dialog box confirming you want to leave. The text is Are you sure you want to go back to view mode without saving first? Cancel   OK What would you think of changing the button text from 'Cancel', 'OK' to 'No, take me back' and 'Yes, I'm sure'? It always feels weird to me to answer a yes/no question with ok/cancel rather than yes or no. Bhartshorne (talk) 20:25, 21 June 2012 (UTC)


 * Alternatively, (since OK/Cancel is a pretty standard set of button choices) we could reword the question so they make better sense. Something like "You're about to leave the page without saving!  Is that OK? ok/cancel" Bhartshorne (talk) 22:49, 21 June 2012 (UTC)


 * Thank you for your feedback; we definitely need to review the language choices of our messages, you're right. Jdforrester (WMF) (talk) 17:30, 25 June 2012 (UTC)

Control plus arrows doesn't move cursor among words
I'm used to being able to use Control+LeftArrow or Control+RightArrow to move the cursor one word's length leftward or rightward. Doesn't work yet in the Visual Editor. Is that in the plan already? Sumana Harihareswara, Wikimedia Foundation Engineering Community Manager (talk) 21:22, 21 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Could be related to 34095. Sumanah 19:40, 21 June 2012 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the feature request; I've added it as 38000. Jdforrester (WMF) (talk) 20:59, 27 June 2012 (UTC)