Talk:Reading/Web/Accessibility for reading

font-size 1em
originally posted on Talk:Reading/Web/Desktop Improvements

Hi

Thanks a lot for your work!

Comparing vector-2022 with minerva I think vector-2022 is much more mature and better. But there are some details in minerva which I prefer. Most of all the font and font size of the text.

So: Why not to change font-size in .vector-body to 1em (or 100%)?

I think that would be a uge improvement in readability and look. Even headings would still be fine with the current size.

But I have not tested it in different devices, browsers, screens etc. so maybe there is a reason why the font size is reduced in default vector-2022? Bwana.elias (talk) 14:58, 27 September 2023 (UTC)


 * Hello @Bwana.elias. It's interesting that you reach out to us about this now! I'd like to encourage you to read the project page this very talk page is connected to. On it, we explain why and what we would like to change. (Spoiler alert, it's not just about font size, but also information density, so for example line height!) SGrabarczuk (WMF) (talk) 15:23, 27 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Hi @SGrabarczuk (WMF) thanks for pointing me here. Sorry, I have just registered at wikipedia/mediawiki for the first time and thougt I start discussing immediately :)) Will have a look at the project page. BR Bwana.elias (talk) 16:03, 29 September 2023 (UTC)

"Share my preferences"
A question about translation: This text mentions the possibility to click the "share my preferences" button. Where is the label of this buttion translated? Amir E. Aharoni &#123;{🌎🌍🌏}} 14:56, 6 October 2023 (UTC)


 * Hey @Amire80, it's in the translatable, although hidden, part of Reading/Web/Accessibility for reading/Community prototype testing. SGrabarczuk (WMF) (talk) 15:01, 6 October 2023 (UTC)

How do I close the "Wikimedia reading tool" window?
I just wanted to have a look at this when I saw the banner in en.Wikipedia. Now I cannot close the window, because there is no "cancel" option. A look at "Preferences" did not help either. There must be a way to cancel the survey and to close the window! Kallichore (talk) 14:34, 9 October 2023 (UTC)


 * I have the same problem. Jc3s5h (talk) 15:25, 9 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Me too! I was happy to try it, but I would really appreciate being able to remove it! Lajmmoore (talk) 13:49, 10 October 2023 (UTC)

Hey thanks for reaching out to us :) In the widget, right above the buttons, there's a sentence "Click here to remove this tool." In addition to that, soon we'll disable this tool on English Wikipedia because we have plenty of replies already. I hope this helps! SGrabarczuk (WMF) (talk) 17:00, 10 October 2023 (UTC)


 * Thanks, the button worked for me. --Kallichore (talk) 18:09, 10 October 2023 (UTC)

Why not add customizable appearance?
In the text it says "In particular, we're not planning on providing sliders or individual settings for font size, line height, or spacing.", and I just can't help but wonder why? Wouldn't this benefit people who would want to customize it to their needs? Projects like wikiwand do it and it works pretty well for them, so I can't see the reason why not. But other than that Vector 2022 is awesome, thank you for the work you do. WanderingMorpheme (talk) 22:21, 12 October 2023 (UTC)


 * Hello @WanderingMorpheme! I'm sorry for not answering earlier! At first, I wasn't 100% sure how to answer, and it took me too long to ask my colleagues. I'm embarrassed because it's a very good and a very basic question 🤦
 * So the answer is:
 * We will change the default to improve the basic state of things. We will add some customizations for people to adjust the text to their needs. But there's a limit. By introducing options, we're adding permutations, and we should be careful about those.
 * (Just in case anyone reading this is not familiar with the term, a permutation is a specific arrangement of options. If there are three font sizes, three font families, and three colors for each, there are "all of the sudden" 27 permutations.)
 * We have adjustable interface with lots of possible permutations already. Everything we do, we need to test against all the permutations we're responsible for. Adding too many options to choose between results in, for example: 1. difficulty of maintaining what already exists, 2. reluctance to add more features. So it's a matter of some balance, how many great permutations do we really want to be responsible for.
 * I hope this helps! SGrabarczuk (WMF) (talk) 02:08, 8 November 2023 (UTC)
 * This was a great answer, thank you. WanderingMorpheme (talk) 02:14, 8 November 2023 (UTC)

Dark mode setting retrieved from system
Hello,

I red this article https://diff.wikimedia.org/2023/11/24/dark-mode-is-coming/ and I would just like to mention that I would like an automatic dark mode if the user’s operating system is configured on dark mode. So it would automatically follow the system’s setting.

This way, any logged-out user would have a setting that would most probably be his/her best choice. Having to log-in or even worse create an account to set a dark mode is not satisfying in my opinion.

In the article, a "toggle" is mentioned but I would prefer an automatic setting without user action. Therefore, no "white flash" would be displayed at the loading of a web page.

I think technically it would use this but I am not an expert: https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/CSS/@media/prefers-color-scheme

Thanks a lot

Sensas817 (talk) 19:03, 27 November 2023 (UTC)

"Night mode" is a poor choice
I saw someone say this somewhere else, and I wholeheartedly agree. I associate "night mode" with the ability to adjust the hue to warmer colors and reduce blue light (whose efficacy in reducing eye strain is disputed but which Android/macOS/iOS/Windows nonetheless provide). What you're building is a dark mode. Calling it a night mode is at best ambiguous and confusing. Nardog (talk) 00:38, 29 November 2023 (UTC)

Where/how was the decision to use "night mode" in lieu of "dark mode" made? What is the rationale? Nardog (talk) 13:25, 30 November 2023 (UTC)