Talk:Reading/Web/Desktop Improvements

Limit the screen width
I think the worst one can do is limit the screen width... I's far less relaxed for reading and a waste of screen space. Switched back to the previous version. 213.219.163.24 23:41, 21 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Hello! I'd like to invite you to read this page: Reading/Web/Desktop Improvements/Features/Limiting content width. There we've documented our arguments for this change. If you prefer the full width, you may use the button in the bottom right corner of the screen, too. I hope this solves the issue! SGrabarczuk (WMF) (talk) 17:57, 30 March 2023 (UTC)
 * I have a somewhat related question. I see that there is a toggle on the MediWiki site in the bottom right corner to adjust width, which is great... but I don't see it on my own install using Vector 2022 (MediaWiki version 1.39.3). Is there something I'm missing in order to make that visible? I don't have the "Enable limited width mode" option in user preferences either. Thanks in advance for any insight you can offer. Adoxtater (talk) 02:29, 27 April 2023 (UTC)
 * My install of MediaWiki also does not have the full width toggle button. Fanra (talk) 10:39, 25 May 2023 (UTC)
 * If you're not seeing the limited-width toggle, it might be because the browser window is too small. Currently, per T326887 the limited width toggle is only available when the browser window is bigger than 1400px wide. JDrewniak (WMF) (talk) 17:57, 26 May 2023 (UTC)
 * I have dual monitor and stretched the window to run the full width of both and still no toggle button. However, on the mediawiki site it does show up even on a single monitor. Unless, of course, they're running some other code that makes it happen I guess. Adoxtater (talk) 22:21, 30 May 2023 (UTC)
 * I have designed an alternative toggle button that I feel better represents the functionality... and emailed it to answers@wikimedia.org. Is there a better way to share it?? 68.83.135.144 18:24, 25 May 2023 (UTC)
 * I have designed an alternative toggle button that I feel better represents the functionality... and emailed it to answers@wikimedia.org. Is there a better way to share it??
 * Disallowing me to upload... AlanGochin (talk) 18:31, 25 May 2023 (UTC)
 * I'd like to say that even after reading those pages and the research about page-width, from my perspective it's a bad default setting because it works against the things that page says it's being implemented to improve.
 * In my experience it's made wiki in general less readable because the article content is now  less than 50%  of my ultrawide screen (2560px horizontal resolution, default text width ends up at ~1025px) which creates the effect of a newspaper with only one, often extremely long column, hurting readability because you have to jump lines and scroll so much more often which at least for me completely breaks the flow the article had. In fact, I'd describe it as closer to an old school scroll than a newspaper. :/ 203.12.8.36 06:43, 8 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Being a long-time user of Wikipedia I have to say the old look is more superior than the new one. Not only is it wider it is also more simple. Having the contents on the left side of the screen in the new look isn't that helpful because the first thing people see in an article is the introduction. Volcanoguy (talk) 00:09, 21 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Limiting width is actually much more comfortable to read, especially for ultra wide or big screens, and it's the reason most modern websites are formatted that way. Limiting the width of the article also allows to keep in view useful interfaces on the sides, such as the index, shortcuts to various tools and URLs, and so on. CapoFantasma97 (talk) 11:57, 19 August 2023 (UTC)
 * limiting is the worst I need some way to disable it, because it difficult to read map, tables, genealogical map, edit code, etc Iqudoblev (talk) 18:09, 6 September 2023 (UTC)
 * @Iqudoblev: Hello, you can follow this instruction to expand the width. Thanks. SCP-2000 (talk) 02:41, 7 September 2023 (UTC)
 * What are the options for "$wgVectorMaxWidthOptions" as if it has a max-width setting then this should solve to problem for those of us that need full width to display multi-column table data and complex graphics? ScotGill (talk) 11:12, 11 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Ignore me ScotGill (talk) 13:52, 11 October 2023 (UTC)

Some opposes and supports with same argument

 * Moved at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_comment/Rollback_of_Vector_2022#Some_opposes_and_supports_with_same_argument

WHY WAS THIS ADDED?!
I friggin' hate the new look and it being the default for every project. The old look has become somewhat iconic, and disabled preferences for IPs have taken it away from them. To put it simply: NOT COOL. IPs are people too (talk) 18:34, 14 September 2023 (UTC)


 * Hello @IPs are people too. Thanks for coming here. I hear you; although we think the change is positive in general, it isn't necessarily better for each person with their specific needs. I presume you have selected Vector legacy as your default skin, haven't you?
 * Indeed, the lack of preferences for not logged-in means that this audience can't change the skin they see. But over time, they will be able to customize more and more things about the interface. Is that something you'd like to be informed of every now and then? SGrabarczuk (WMF) (talk) 21:38, 14 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Agree this change makes it useless... would like to see statistics for how many users who actively disable the new look - Salgo60 (talk) 23:20, 10 October 2023 (UTC)
 * I've had my account set to vector legacy ever since the new look rolled out, because I also supremely dislike the new look. this has been pretty much fine so far because I'm always logged in, but today vector legacy stopped working, keeping me constantly on the new look, and I've been trying for half an hour to turn it off and have no idea how. I'd just like to be able to put vector legacy back on. Apelcini (talk) 00:52, 20 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Hello! How exactly did V10 stop working? Aaron Liu (talk) 22:30, 3 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Originally I disliked the new one but it has grown on me and i now use it 2601:3C0:C100:42C0:5903:DBB5:415F:17AD 23:59, 29 October 2023 (UTC)

The
Is it possible to disable the magic word  in Vector 2022? As I understand it is only used when the Table of Content is affecting readability of the article; as it is too dominant regarding article text. In Vector 2022 it is hidden or in the left margin and the Table of Content does not affect the articles text. By disabling the magic word for Vector 2022 all pages will look the same with the "hamburger menus" in the same places. LittleGun (talk) 08:45, 16 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Hello @LittleGun, it's good to see you here on MediaWiki.org. We were working on T317818 which seems to be related, but apparently, there were no clear decisions regarding the direction for NOTOC. I'll ask the team. SGrabarczuk (WMF) (talk) 22:01, 16 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Thanks, here is a link to the Village pump at Swedish Wikipedia discussing this matter 1. A lot of the discussion is about when, and how to, use NOTOC in other skins. But everyone agrees NOTOC can be disabled in Vector 2022 for Wikipedia. LittleGun (talk) 12:34, 17 October 2023 (UTC)

目的の対象は？
こんにちは、お疲れさまです.

Reading/Web/Desktop Improvements/Updates/2023-10 for sister projectsをウィキクォート・ウィキブックス（いずれも日本語版）から、Google翻訳で読みました. 率直に私の感想を言いますと、「いい加減にしてください ≒ vecter2022への変更を断ります」です. skinをより良くしたい気持ちはともかくとして、私にとっては良くなっていません. 既出での問題ではありますが、目次とヘッダーが私の主要な問題点です.
 * 目次に対して - wikipediaは大項目主義と小項目主義とどちらを取るのかをまだ決定されていないと把握していますが、大項目のページでは、indexではなくTOCが要点として有用であったと思います.
 * ヘッダーに対して - ログインユーザーでないと固定されないのでは、スティッキーヘッダーの目的を達成できていないでしょう.
 * 他 - 「おまかせ表示」がハンバーガーの中に入ったのは不便ですが、それは私の（モバイル）環境があまり良くないからだと納得できますが、姉妹プロジェクトを閲覧するのに毎回メインページに戻るのは面倒です.

英語版wikipediaでも、vecterレガシーから2022に変更されたとき、かなりの不評があったのを見ていますが、「ウィキメディア財団 Web チーム」から、vecter2022を押し付けられてる感が否めません. 目的はskinの改善であって、wikimedia運動の参加者（ログインユーザ）を増やすことではないはずです.

以上、あくまで私個人の感想ですが、あらかじめ失礼をお詫びします. 温厚知新 (talk) 15:20, 19 October 2023 (UTC)


 * Hello @温厚知新さん! Thank you for your comment here. I very much appreciate that you have come to us to share your opinion.
 * Could you write more what you mean in this sentence, which Google Translate translates as "I understand that Wikipedia has not yet decided whether to use the large heading system or the small heading system, but I think that the TOC rather than the index would have been useful as the main point for the large heading page"
 * I'm not sure what's the meaning of the words translated as "large heading system", "small heading system", and TOC and index. Thank you!
 * Regarding the sticky header, what functionalities (what icons or links, search widget?) would you like to see in the version for logged-out users? Do you think these functionalities would be mostly useful for the logged-out editors or readers?
 * おまかせ表示 - we wanted to make the skin more understandable at first glance, at the cost of immediate access to many links. As you may know, most readers don't use the links in that menu, including おまかせ表示 You may read more about that on this page.
 * (On a side note, you will find the links to sister projects in the menu ツール, on the right side of the screen. On a narrow screen, this menu is collapsed, but on wider screens it may be displayed in the right column. I just mean you don't need to go to the main page to get to these links, but perhaps I didn't understand you.)
 * Thank you, SGrabarczuk (WMF) (talk) 16:02, 23 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Thank you for your reply.
 * "I'm not sure what's the meaning of the words translated as 'large heading system', 'small heading system', and TOC and index."
 * TOC（目次）と index（索引）は実装されたときの議論で link を付けましたが、私の感覚では、目次と索引は用途が違います. large(small) heading system はカテゴリーのようなものでしょうか. 大きな項目だと一覧性は低くなりがちなので、読者の興味を引くような見出し名を、編集者は考えていたりするはずです.
 * ログアウトユーザーに対してスティッキーヘッダーに最低限必要と思うのは、Wiki logo・Search・Create account・Log in です. 私はvecter2022をあまり好きではないので、ハンバーガーは除外しました.
 * ツールに対しては、私の誤解で申し訳ありません. 関連付け(wikidate?)されたページには姉妹プロジェクトへのリンクがありました. 大変失礼をいたしました.
 * 言いづらいことではありますが、私個人の感覚としては、内容が読めれば skin はどれでもいいと思っています. --温厚知新 (talk) 18:16, 23 October 2023 (UTC) アンダーライン部分にリンク追加--温厚知新 (talk) 09:40, 24 October 2023 (UTC)


 * 追記 vecter2022で目次(TOC)とされている部分は「柱」になるのだと思います. --温厚知新 (talk) 09:40, 24 October 2023 (UTC)


 * 結局そのまま既定のものにされてしまって残念です. WMFが運営するwikipedia（および姉妹プロジェクト）というコンテンツのTOC（サイドバー？）と、ArticleのTOCを両方見れるvecterレガシーが、私にとって便利でした. 諦め半分の意見ではありましたが、実際に徒労となってしまって口惜しい限りです.
 * 願わくば、他の多くのプロジェクトで採用しているskinだから、合わせることが正しいと思われないよう祈っています. --温厚知新 (talk) 05:10, 1 November 2023 (UTC)

Slow language selector in Vector 2022 theme
The language selector takes a lot of time to settle down. I have recorded a profile in Firefox, which can be accessed at the following link: https://share.firefox.dev/46CZJcB

During the recording, the browser spent 3 seconds in reflow.

This slow performance is so annoying that I have switched to the Vector legacy (2010) theme. Self-Perfection (talk) 10:50, 21 October 2023 (UTC)


 * I suppose I have finally found the correct place where this should be reported: https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T349428 Self-Perfection (talk) 12:10, 21 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Thanks @Self-Perfection. Thanks for reporting this issue, I'll let our engineers know. Perhaps the task should be assigned to the team working specifically on the language selector, since the selector is not technically part of any skin; I'm sure the engineers will figure this out. SGrabarczuk (WMF) (talk) 13:32, 23 October 2023 (UTC)

At greek wiktionary?
Letter for deployment of V22 arrived at our el.wiktionary (Greek wiktionary https://el.wiktionary.org/) and feedback concerning the application of Vector2022 to dictionaries like wiktionaries is discussed at Vikileksiko:Wikiacademy:
 * https://el.wiktionary.org/wiki/Βικιλεξικό:Βικιδημία/2023Vector

Editors, especially interface administrators working exclusively for wiktionaries are very welcome to participate. Thank you. Sarri.greek (talk) 13:55, 26 October 2023 (UTC)

Wikidata and Commons?
Re Reading/Web/Desktop Improvements/Updates/2023-10 for sister projects, I'm hoping to see the new layout also become the default on Wikidata and Commons, so there is UI consistency across all of the Wikimedia projects, is this planned to happen soon? Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 20:12, 28 October 2023 (UTC)


 * Hey @Mike Peel. Thanks for bringing this up.
 * We will approach those communities, too, but we don't have any specific plans with timelines just yet. As you surely know, in terms of cross-wiki UI consistency for logged-in users, setting up a global preference is a solution. Currently, it's the only one.
 * Another possibility for any experienced community member at any time is to start a bottom-up pre-deployment coordination, for example checking if there are any popular gadgets that need to be adjusted, or any wiki-specific needs that are currently not met. Do let me know if you're interested in partnering with us in this, or if you know of anyone wanting to dedicate some of their time. That would be most welcome! SGrabarczuk (WMF) (talk) 22:25, 30 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Thanks @SGrabarczuk (WMF)! I've already set up Vector2022 as a global preference for my account, and am keeping an eye out for specific bugs that can be fixed on-wiki. I think there are some that need configuration elsewhere, though, e.g., what appears on the left vs. right menus now they've split. If you posted on the project chats for Wikidata and Commons, I'm sure you'd find people interested in helping with this (I can help a bit, but don't have much time at the moment). Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 10:34, 4 November 2023 (UTC)

Sticky header
Hi. Are there any plans to add a sticky header with at least page name on version diffs? IKhitron (talk) 20:57, 30 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Great question, @IKhitron. I've opened a Phab ticket – let's see if there are any engineering or design reasons for not enabling this for diffs. SGrabarczuk (WMF) (talk) 22:37, 30 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Great, thanks. IKhitron (talk) 00:37, 31 October 2023 (UTC)

Breaking change
Hello. A couple of hours ago there was a group1 new deployment. Could you tell me, please, what breaking change was in the HTML structure in the New Vector? I'm trying to fix the Watchlist Manager gadget, because suddenly all its buttons on this skin disappeared (on some browsers, what looks like a synchronization problem). It never happened before. If you could tell me what did you change, I can try to fix the problem. Thank you. IKhitron (talk) 00:23, 2 November 2023 (UTC)


 * There’s been no significant changes except the addition of the new addPortlet API which wouldn’t cause buttons to disappear. You can review all the new Vector changes here: https://github.com/wikimedia/mediawiki-skins-Vector/compare/wmf/1.42.0-wmf.2...wmf/1.42.0-wmf.3
 * Could you share the code to your gadget? It will be easier for me to help you diagnose what's happening here if I am able to see the code. Jdlrobson (talk) 16:04, 2 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Weird. Of course, @Jdlrobson, it's he:Mediawiki:Gadget-WLM.js. You can turn off in Special:Preferences the option "ignore all the edits except the last one", turn on the Watchlist filters option, and open the watchlist in Vector and also in New Vector. Thank you. IKhitron (talk) 16:10, 2 November 2023 (UTC)
 * It doesn't look like oojs-ui-core has been added as a dependency in he:מדיה_ויקי:Gadgets-definition yet that gadget seems to use OOUI for rendering buttons. What happens if you wrap your code like so?:
 * Jdlrobson (talk) 18:56, 2 November 2023 (UTC)
 * It definitely helped, @Jdlrobson, thank you. And it fits my earlier mentioned suspicion about a synchronization problem, if this library started yesterday to load a little later. I'll ask other people that complained. If it's fine on their side too, can I restore the code and move the library into the Gadgets definitions? IKhitron (talk) 19:18, 2 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Yep gadgets definition sounds like it would be the appropriate action here (assuming it's only running on watchlist page/logged in users)! Jdlrobson (talk) 21:30, 2 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Great. Thank you very much for your help. IKhitron (talk) 21:42, 2 November 2023 (UTC)
 * No problem! Glad we got to the bottom of the problem! Jdlrobson (talk) 22:16, 2 November 2023 (UTC)

Add dropdown for sticky edit button when not at the top
Hello I was wondering for people who have the option "Show me both editing tabs" in the setting "Editing mode" enabled, if it would also produce a dropdown menu for the edit button that's on the sticky header when scrolling down a page. Currently the button opens up only the visual editor which isn't ideal when you want the 2017 or source editor instead for a specific scenario. The current solution is having to scroll all the way back up to get to the button, or switch to source after the visual editor is done loading.

Personally I think this would be an amazing change to speed up editing and would reduce frustration when trying to edit. Thank you. WanderingMorpheme (talk) 01:18, 5 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Wait my mistake, it already has its own button that looks like to edit the source code, feel free to ignore this whoops. WanderingMorpheme (talk) 17:28, 5 November 2023 (UTC)

Use full width on Wikisource's Index namespace
On Italian Wikisource, after hiding all the menus, ns0 and nsPage use the full width of the screen, and this is good. But nsIndex does not: how can I achieve the same effect? Thank you. Candalua (talk) 16:39, 7 November 2023 (UTC)

How to add a new tab after Edit
We have a gadget that add a custom tab after "Edit" and "History" tabs. But the layout breaks, because the container does not become bigger, so this tab ends up on a new line. What is the proper way to add a new tab through a gadget, without breaking the layout? Thank you. Candalua (talk) 16:42, 7 November 2023 (UTC)


 * mw.util.addPortletLink? Since you didn’t tell us where the code is, I have no idea what the broken solution is, and if this function could actually help you. —Tacsipacsi (talk) 11:34, 8 November 2023 (UTC)