User:Sharihareswara (WMF)/archivedectmeetings June2013

Yearly review
(clarifications)

Misc
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Tech/Ambassadors wikimedia-l thread/rules for volunteers' participation: Andre figuring out policy re adminship in BZ, groups - aim for early June for having a policy stated Quim to consider how to work with intern re June testing activities
 * TODO: Sumana to give Guillaume some names/email of people to test this out
 * progress being made; waiting for legal
 * Chris, any preferred days to come to the Bay Area for Browser testing activity?

Chris: Scheduling ECT quarterly review - late June, may go into July Future: Add Rachel (OPW intern) to meetings
 * Quim, I might be headed north around the weekend of June 15, so the Friday before or Monday after might be good.  I can be available other times as well.
 * Met with Rachel about a test plan/charter for VE tests; VE test automation spike is checked in and working; including James Forrester.
 * TODO: set soft deadline for test charter
 * Groundwork on the new QA list, more information and publicity for that coming.
 * Writing and deploying ULS tests; working through issues this exposes, particularly with behavior for anonymous users
 * Ongoing build maintenance with Zeljko: we handled a lot of debt in Amsterdam, still tweaking tests and environments

Other conferences/dates

 * Guillaume possibly a couple days off in June or July; will provide tentative dates as soon as they're known
 * Andre:
 * June Tue11-Mon17: San Francisco
 * June Tue18-Fri21: OpenSourceBridge (Portland/Oregon)
 * July Wed31-August Mon05: GNOME GUADEC (Brno/CZ)
 * August Wed07-August Mon12: Wikimania (Hongkong/PRC)
 * October Fri04-Sun06: Mozilla Summit 2013
 * Sumana
 * Some time traveling or training in June, + OSBridge
 * Quim vaguely thinking on some holidays in July. Specific dates coming soon.
 * Željko:
 * June 10-12, Selenium Conference, Boston, MA, USA
 * August 16-18, eurucamp, Berlin, Germany talk not accepted :(
 * September 6-7, BalCCon, Novi Sad, Serbia (maybe, waiting for reply if my talk is accepted)
 * Chris:
 * Aug 4-10 Agile2013 - "radically open software testing"

June 26th or 27th QA activity
27th is way better - can we make it the 27th? Sumana says yes (email sent to list) WikiLove as possible target (backlog scenarios for Wikilove exist, but no code (yet), we will write two scenarios end-to-end at the exercise I think)
 * very JS-heavy
 * path to give someone a kitten is different from everything else!
 * we broke it in production the other day
 * Ryan Kaldari, author, works for WMF

Amsterdam followup
In the future, is there anything we want to market by broadcasting it to the 150 Amsterdam participants? Occasionally, marketing for the QA list would be nice - perhaps send it to the 150 Amsterdam participants - can link to a specific sample message to show that cool things are happening on that list We're doing good training for volunteeers on the QA list: http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/qa/2013-June/000056.html (4-message thread)
 * Andre has already scheduled meetings in SF
 * Chris:
 * get build in Jenkins - lots of debt to address
 * get atop ULS automated tests
 * both of those are in place
 * need review from Runa/Amir/Siebrand on https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/67873/ -- logged-in users & anon users for ULS. Sumana to bug them in person in SF. :)
 * Amsterdam browser automated testing session was JudyTuna, Pau, Niklas, Siebrand, & others

Community Advocacy (Philippe's email)
Fundraising bug triage - who? Jay? (unknown) Note: Josh Van Davier no longer does QA for Fundraising although he has that name in his role random reminder: We have https://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Code_of_conduct_policy as a basis

Conferences etc.

 * Guillaume possibly a couple days off in June or July; will provide tentative dates as soon as they're known
 * Andre:
 * June Tue11-Mon17: San Francisco
 * June Tue18-Fri21: OpenSourceBridge (Portland/Oregon)
 * July Wed31-August Mon05: GNOME GUADEC (Brno/CZ)
 * August Wed07-August Mon12: Wikimania (Hongkong/PRC)
 * October Fri04-Sun06: Mozilla Summit 2013
 * Sumana
 * Thurs & Fri of this week - gone for training
 * OSBridge - all next week
 * a day in late June - a training
 * Quim vaguely thinking on some holidays in July. Specific dates coming soon.
 * Željko:
 * June 10-12, Selenium Conference, Boston, MA, USA
 * August 16-18, eurucamp, Berlin, Germany talk not accepted :(
 * September 6-7, BalCCon, Novi Sad, Serbia (maybe, waiting for reply if my talk is accepted)
 * Chris:
 * Aug 4-10 Agile2013 - "radically open software testing"

2013-14 goals
https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Engineering/2013-14_Goals#Wikimedia_Technical_Community

What gadgets & gadget-like functionality would we especially encourage people to test with automated browser tests?
 * HotCat
 * Twinkle
 * Things that make your watchlist more interesting
 * Commons stuff
 * (also bots?)

Might be 2 projects:
 * 1) analysis of what gadgets are available & used on the real projects (including which ones are used with each other)
 * 2) supporting important/default gadgets in beta and helping write automated tests for them; Twinkle & some other gadgets are available in beta

https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Engineering/2013-14_Goals#Release_logistics_and_QA - QA/WMF to be primary developers of tests for MW core/extensions we deploy, but gadgets testing - volunteers

"ECT - talking more to our upstreams" - Sumana's contribution growing tech ambassadors membership - we do want more awareness, more dialog & 2-way communication
 * do this via bug reports if possible -- upstreaming tickets, pasting link to WM bugzilla
 * next step: provide fixes. Some people in WMF already do this.
 * identifying key projects - should start with a few to not get completely lost. For some, we have some key candidates in company who are account managers :) ..... maybe start talking with these people, learning best practices, coordinating
 * but maybe it's most important to find things that are dropping on the floor
 * how many people are receiving the newsletter? - need to be cautious about how we analyze them (e.g. many community pages are subscribed, but we don't know how many, or how few, people look at them and read the newsletter)
 * weekly Tech News contribution -- Guillaume is not the one doing most of the work -- got there earlier than expected. Guillaume spends maybe ~3 hrs/weekly on it, but just created new tool to make things easier (let's see!)

To continue discussion in email .... by Thursday .... and then Friday to mail wikitech-l for thoughts

Conferences etc.

 * Guillaume possibly a couple days off in August; will provide tentative dates as soon as they're known
 * Andre:
 * July Fri05: Public holiday in CZ
 * July Wed31-August Mon05: GNOME GUADEC (Brno/CZ)
 * August Wed07-August Mon12: Wikimania (Hongkong/PRC)
 * October Fri04-Sun06: Mozilla Summit 2013
 * Sumana
 * Thurs of this week - traveling
 * Quim on holidays July 24-31. Then flying to Hong Kong on Aug 2.
 * Željko:
 * August 16-18, eurucamp, Berlin, Germany talk not accepted :(
 * September 6-7, BalCCon, Novi Sad, Serbia (maybe, waiting for reply if my talk is accepted)
 * Chris:
 * Aug 4-10 Agile2013 - "radically open software testing"