User:Trizek (WMF)/sandbox/Structured Discussions Deprecation/ca



Pel que fa al futur de les planes de discussió estructurades
Bon dia a tothom,

Com ja sabreu, la Fundació Wikimedia treballa en canvis en la manera de gestionar l'edició IP: Edició IP: millora de la privadesa i mitigació d'abusos. Es crearan comptes temporals per a editors no registrats com un nou tipus de compte d'usuari. Això requereix canviar com les característiques que utilitzem per a contribuir al treball dels wikis.

Aquesta labor afecta a tots els aspectes i planteja alguns reptes. El cas d'StructuredDiscussions (també conegut com a "SD" o "Flow") és un d'ells. L'extensió s'utilitza en alguns wikis, incloent-hi els vostres. Flow és una peça complexa de programari que mai no va ser acabada, encaixa malament en l'arquitectura MediaWiki, i crea un nombre significatiu d'errors tècnics.

Hem considerat diverses opcions per adaptar SD: una adaptació completa; una adaptació parcial on els comptes Temp poden respondre però no crear converses noves. Qualsevol de les opcions necessitaria molt de temps i esforç per a obtenir un benefici a curt termini. A més, el pla a llarg termini de la Fundació Wikimedia és eliminar la SD dels wikis, principalment a causa del cost de manteniment. Com a conseqüència, preferim evitar l'adaptació d'SD als comptes temporals.

Aprofitem l'oportunitat de treballar amb els comptes temporals per preguntar a la vostra comunitat sobre el futur d'SD.

Discussion tools are the replacement for SD. They are the default discussion system at all wikis. They allow anyone to start, reply or subscribe to a conversation. They provide a visual experience on wikitext-based conversations, and they cover the vast majority of features StructuredDiscusions offer.

The goal with this conversation is to respond to your questions regarding the archival of StructuredDiscussions.

The idea is to proceed in two stages: StructuredDiscussions are used on some community pages
 * 1) discussion pages using SD are archived as subpages. They are replaced by a classic discussion page. In this way, the most active pages will already be ready when we proceed to step 2.
 * 2) SD are removed from the wiki. Existing pages (including archived ones) will be converted to a format yet to be defined.

Some community discussion pages choose to use StructuredDiscusions.

As we already mentioned, Discussion Tools cover the vast majority of features StructuredDiscusions offer, including an easy reply tool and topic subscription. Some new features, such as thanking comments or permalinking (even when the talk page has been archived) will be soon offered. Having one discussion system for all users and talk pages will unify the experience, in particular for newcomers.

It is up to your community to have a transition period: you can archive StructuredDiscusions pages, but keep them editable. Ongoing conversations will fade out, while new conversation will be using Discussion Tools. At a given date, all StructuredDiscusions boards would be converted. What do you think of this idea?

StructuredDiscussions are used by some users at their individual talk pages

At your wiki, any user can turn StructuredDiscusions on as a Beta feature. This option will be removed soon.

We would like to reach an agreement, covering your questions and remarks, where removing StructuredDiscusions will apply to all users. The goal is to archive StructuredDiscusions-based pages, prior to their removal from your wiki.

If you use StructuredDiscusions at your talk page, we encourage you to consider switching to the default format of talk pages. You can do it by unchecking the option in your Beta features.

For the case of users who turned StructuredDiscusions on but who don’t edit anymore, the conversion will be done later, along with all remaining pages, at a date yet to be defined.

What we expect from you

Answers by the end of this discussion, scheduled for mid-December:
 * 1) Are the reasons given for archiving structured discussions clear?
 * 2) Are the two steps outlined above for archiving and uninstalling structured discussions clear?
 * 3) If so, what is a reasonable timeframe for archiving pages for deinstallation? At present, deinstallation is not planned on our side (even if the second quarter of 2024 is mentioned), as we are waiting for the end of these conversations, which take place on multiple wikis.
 * 4) In your opinion, what format should pages currently using SDs be converted to when we proceed with the deinstallation of structured discussions?

If you need clarification, please ask! I've subscribed to this section, and I'll try to answer as soon as possible (probably in English).