Thread:Talk:Flow Portal/Talkpagespace using administrative processes/reply (4)

I'm not going to stop using that sentence because that's exactly what is going on here. We are looking at user-to-user discussion in the first set of deployments because user talk pages are the simplest workflows we can encounter. We are planning to develop for that, and then take what we learn from that process - what's good and bad - and apply it to other areas going forward.

I'm not going to lie to you or sugar coat it: You should achieve zen acceptance that talk pages, as they currently exist, are going to disappear. I don't have a time frame for when that is going to happen. I can't tell you what phase 2 (what we focus on next) will be. I have nothing to say other than "user talk is the first phase." It's not eyewash. It's practical planning.

Because of the way this has to be scaffolded, it simply isn't possible to trot out a complete package, covering all bases (which seems to be what you're asking for). The problem is very big and very complex and it has to be broken down into segments in order to be understood. We focus on one part and get the processes and experiences correct for that, while also allowing for future growth, and then move on to the next part.

I'm going to point you to the way that "Unblock requests" are handled on the English Wikipedia for an example of a totally, completely broken workflow that exists in the way it does simply because there are no better tools. Wikitext and templates are rarely the "best" answer to these problems; they're just the tools that are currently available. I'm unsure why you would object to having additional, better tools at your disposal.