Structured Discussions/Request Structured Discussions on a page

'''You want to try Flow on your wiki? It is possible!'''

All pages on all Wikimedia Foundation supported projects are eligible, in time.

See also Flow/Rollout for a list of wikis that are using or discussing Flow, and more technical details.

For a community
It is possible to try Flow on your wiki.

The recommended trials are, at the moment: Flow deployment needs a community decision. Please follow these three steps carefully:
 * Flow on one trial/sandbox page (default activation),
 * Flow on real-working a community page or many (help desk, wikiproject, village pump...),
 * Flow activation for all users who want to have Flow on their talk page (Beta feature).

1. Community discussions
How to: If your wiki has already enabled Flow as a Beta feature for all users and you want to deploy Flow on a wikiproject or a community page, go to step 3 and fill out a community request with a link to the community consensus to have that page activated.
 * 1) Start a discussion with the community, to get consensus on starting the trial. You can ask to have a test page or use that one.
 * 2) Discuss about the possible deployments (test, community page(s), Beta feature...).   It's good to discuss where the community wishes to trial Flow after that. We recommend to have a real-working environment, e.g. a helpdesk, or village pump, or a wikiproject, or similar...
 * 3) After consensus is reached, add a link below to the community result and the link(s) to the page(s) you want Flow on.

2. Technical details to consider
For the first use of Flow at a wiki, the developers need this information: You will have to check for translations in the language(s) used in your wiki : If you have all this ready or done, please add the relevant information below. You can fill a Phrabricator task if you want (with #Flow tag).
 * If any, the exact name of the local discussion & feedback page, e.g. Wikipedia_talk:Flow or Discussion_Wikipédia:Flow. However, we recommend to use the global feedback page at mw:Talk:Flow where you can post in any language.
 * The exact name of a "sandbox" page, where the community would like to test out Flow, e.g. Flow/Sandbox or Viquipèdia_Discussió:Flow/proves, useful for trials and check for translations
 * What word to use for the "Topic" namespace and check if that name is not used (it is possible to archive old contents)
 * Tell us the local standard (most common) page-archive naming system(s), so that we can try to follow the local custom. E.g. ".../Archive 1" or ".../Archiwum/1" or ".../Archives/2013/July".
 * the documentation (that page first),
 * Flow interface messages on TranslateWiki (the many MediaWiki:Apihelp-... messages can be safely ignored).
 * If you consider to convert a whole namespace to Flow for good, please check that list.

3. Community requests
Please list it here:


 * Community consensus for Polish Wikipedia, here. Tar Lócesilion (queta) 23:21, 6 March 2016 (UTC) - Phabricator task
 * Pending: community discussion still ongoing. Trizek (WMF) (talk) 13:48, 18 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Community consensus for Odia Wikipedia is here. (Related Phabricator task: T110846)--Jnanaranjan sahu (talk) 09:12, 21 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Seems like there is consensus on Norwegian (bokmål) Wikipedia for turning on the beta function. Configuration in T132693.Jeblad (talk) 14:43, 14 April 2016 (UTC)
 * We're creating a new project on fr.wikipedia to explore the possiblity of WP:TWA adaptation. We would need Flow on fr:Discussion Projet:Wikipédia, l'aventure . --Dereckson (talk) 13:05, 3 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Pinging other interested project participants to validate the consensus for this request: User:Rama, User:Trizek. --Dereckson (talk) 13:05, 3 August 2016 (UTC)
 * go for it, Trizek (talk) 13:08, 3 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Please do, and thanks a bunch! Rama (talk) 13:11, 3 August 2016 (UTC)
 * ✅ Trizek (WMF) (talk) 13:13, 3 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Request from ar.wp to have two communitiy pages converted to Flow - 12 August. ✅
 * It seems there is a consensus on the Projet:Géographie talk page of Wikipedia in French to not test Flow directly as a replacement due to ancient contributors used to Wikitext tools. However, half of the users opposed to it are not opposed (don't care much, if I read it right) to a parallel talk page using Flow (I volunteered to be the one linking the topics between the two pages). As a consequence, I request the creation of a Flow page at Discussion Projet:Géographie/Flow. Thanks in advance. :)J. N. Squire (talk) 14:03, 29 April 2017 (UTC) ✅

Reach community consensus first!
You can start a discussion on your wiki to get community consensus to have Flow on test pages, or individual pages. Please see the #For a community section above before adding a request if your wiki does not have community consensus.

Check first if your wiki has Flow available as a Beta feature.

Requests for wikis which have reached consensus
Requests for Hebrew WP, Persian WP, Arabic WP only.


 * 1) Please active Flow on my talk page in French Wikitionnary. --NiridyA (talk) 09:53, 27 August 2016 (UTC) ❌
 * Sorry NiridyA sur the French Wiktionary has hols any Flow activations, waiting for changes in History pages. That's my fault, because documentation was not updated. Trizek (WMF) (talk) 14:45, 1 September 2016 (UTC)
 * 1) Please enable flow on ur:ویکیپیڈیا:معاونت میز, Thanks. Muhammad Shuaib (talk) 00:43, 12 September 2016 (UTC) ✅
 * 2) Please enable Flow on my talk page: w:zh:user:User_talk:Whisper_of_the_heart and w:en:User_talk:Whisper_of_the_heart, thanks a lot! --Whisper of the heart￼￼ (talk) 05:27, 14 October 2016 (UTC)
 * 3) * Hello -￼Whisper of the heart￼￼. You will be able to enable Flow on your talk page on zh.wp soon, when the recent bug will be fixed. At the moment, that's not possible; please watch that topic to know when I will be possible again. On en.wp, there is no community consensus to allow user talk pages to be converted to Flow. Sorry, Trizek (WMF) (talk) 14:15, 14 October 2016 (UTC)
 * W:he:שיחת משתמש:Bharel Thanks! Bharel (talk) 20:40, 15 November 2016 (UTC) ✅
 * W:he:שיחת משתמש:Didschr Thanks! Didschr (talk) 10:04, 27 November 2016 (UTC) ✅
 * W:he:שיחת משתמש:Bharel Unflow. Seems like hiding logs does not work with flow and I need to remove it asap. Thanks! Bharel (talk) 20:09, 7 December 2016 (UTC) ✅ + message left.
 * 1) Please disable Flow on my talk page: w:he:User Talk:ראובן מ.. Thanks, ראובן מ. (talk) 01:44, 21 March 2017 (UTC)✅
 * 2) Please enable Flow on w:he:User Talk:CreativeC38, w:ar:User Talk:CreativeC38 and w:fa:User Talk:CreativeC38. Thanks. CreativeC38 (talk) 19:52, 13 May 2017 (UTC)

Stalled requests for other wikis, awaiting community consensus
Your wiki has not decided or reach a consensus about using Flow. Please see the section above before adding a request.
 * 1) Wittylama (talk) 20:09, 29 July 2015 (UTC) on en.wp.
 * 2) For now, on talk pages on plwiki, commonswiki, if possible. Kszapsza  (dyskusja ) 12:18, 1 August 2015 (UTC)
 * 3) User:Halibutt @ pl wiki please. Halibutt (talk) 11:44, 3 August 2015 (UTC)
 * 4) Nirmos (talk) @ svwiki
 * 5) User:Nizil Shah (talk) at w:gu
 * 6) User:Мұхамеджан Амангелді at w:kk
 * 7) Ash Crow - w:br:, s:fr:, s:br:, c:, d:
 * 8) Tar Lócesilion  pl:
 * 9) Jay8g (talk): en WP, Commons
 * 10) KartikMistry (talk) - at w:Gu:
 * 11) Josve05a (talk) (when possible) on sv.wp, en.wp, Commons
 * 12) Edgars2007 (talk) at Latvian Wikipedia
 * 13) Rzuwig ► 11:51, 1 August 2015 (UTC) - commons
 * 14) Lazowik (talk)  pl
 * 15) QuimGil (talk) at Commons
 * 16) Yann (talk) at Commons
 * 17) Yodaspirine oncommons, fr.wikisource--Yodaspirine (talk) 14:52, 28 August 2015 (UTC)
 * 18) Shizhao on Commons
 * 19) Mbch331 (talk) 13:17, 3 October 2015 (UTC) on nlwiki and commons
 * 20) TomT0m (talk) 09:40, 6 October 2015 (UTC) on en.wp
 * 21) Shani Evenstein Esh77 (talk) 10:02, 30 September 2015 (UTC) - at en, outreach, meta
 * 22) Nbfreeh on wuu.wikipedia
 * 23) Billytanghh on en.wikipedia, thanks.--Billytanghh (talk) 13:15, 9 October 2015 (UTC)
 * 24) User:Medium69 on Commons please. --Medium69 (talk) 22:36, 14 October 2015 (UTC)
 * 25) User:Taiwania Justo: meta, please. Taiwania Justo (talk) 00:17, 23 October 2015 (UTC)
 * 26) User:Almondega on pt:w and wikidata, please. :)
 * 27) User:فلورانس on fa:w and fa.voy, Thanks --فلورانس (talk) 23:11, 29 October 2015 (UTC)
 * 28) Ochilov - talk pages in ruwiki, eowiki, metawiki. -- Ochilov   (talk)  16:45, 25 November 2015 (UTC)
 * User:Karol Szapsza (plwiki) — Karol Szapsza  (talk ) 16:16, 9 January 2016 (UTC)
 * User:Doror UnFlow. he.wikipedia. i don't like the Flow. Doror (talk) 15:55, 12 July 2016 (UTC)
 * User:Taiwania Justo: please active flow in commons, outreach (new request, Taiwania Justo (talk) 04:13, 29 July 2016 (UTC)), en (new request, Taiwania Justo (talk) 07:23, 21 April 2017 (UTC)) and meta. Taiwania Justo (talk) 05:25, 28 July 2016 (UTC)
 * It is already possible on Outreach, as a Beta feature. Trizek (WMF) (talk) 09:15, 29 July 2016 (UTC)
 * 1) User:A.M.Z.A on fa:w and fa.voy, Thanks. A.M.Z.A (talk) 17:57, 4 September 2016 (UTC)
 * 2) * Done for fa.wp. Trizek (WMF) (talk) 13:58, 5 September 2016 (UTC)
 * 3) User talk:逆襲的天邪鬼 UnFlow on this site. Thanks a lot! --逆襲的天邪鬼 (talk) 11:00, 29 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Hey User talk:逆襲的天邪鬼! I'm not sure to understand: on which wiki do you want to have/Not have Flow? Trizek (WMF) (talk) 10:20, 19 January 2017 (UTC)
 * And I found that my mind has changed before my talk page was unflowed... --逆襲的天邪鬼 (talk) 09:07, 5 April 2017 (UTC)

Temporary parking
please remove flow from help desk page. this extension is new and made confuse newbiesYamaha5 (talk) 13:16, 10 September 2015 (UTC)
 * It seems Flow has some bugs for Persian language (mostly easy bugs) I will report them all. Please remove flow from help desk to fix bugs and we will bring it back once the bugs are solved. Ladsgroup (talk) 14:10, 10 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Okay, I've moved the help desk page back. Are you concerned about the way that the header templates looked when they were copied into the side rail? I think the big template with the blue header is using a fixed width, and it didn't play well in the smaller space. I'm sorry, I should have spotted that and asked you about the template before I enabled Flow. Let me know what I can do. DannyH (WMF) (talk) 18:23, 10 September 2015 (UTC)

Would you please remove flow from my persian talk page please ? bots and tools like Twinkle are still having problems with it etc. MohammadtheEditor (talk) 08:16, 27 October 2016 (UTC)"MohammadtheEditor, I'll do that when we will have fixed a problem about moving pages. Trizek (WMF) (talk) 08:37, 27 October 2016 (UTC)"
 * 1) I should say my talk page on,  and here are have Special:TranslatorSignup enabled, is this will be affected? --Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 03:34, 1 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Hey Liuxinyu970226, I've transferred your message here. Trizek (WMF) (talk) 08:59, 1 October 2015 (UTC)

What will happen?
Flow will be deployed as soon as possible on the requested page(s) and on a feedback page (usually WP:Flow in the local language). You will receive a notification when it is done.

The previous talk page will be archived, and Flow will be alive on your page!

Caveats
Note: You may miss some automated messages until the bot-writers adopt Flow (see T107093 and related tasks). See further notes at T98270 ("Opt-in for Flow on your own user talk page")

Data
Between Wikimania 2015 (07/13 - 07/19) and end of September, you've been 55 to request Flow on your personal talk pages. Thank you!

At the moment, there is a community consensus and active boards on users talk pages on the following projects: Catalan Wikipedia (4), French Wikipedia (22) & WKT (0), Hebrew Wikipedia (6), MediaWiki.org (33), Persian Wikipedia (1), and Wikidata (9). (Figures are the number of requests and activation based on this page.) We also notice some requests for wikis where the consensus has not been reached, like Commons (9), Polish Wikipedia (3) or English Wikipedia (2).

Flow will be available as a beta feature soon (T98270). We plan to track the activation automatically (T114111).