http://i.imgur.com/8TkkQLP.png - Need I say more?
Topic on Talk:Winter
CaptainPedge: I just now - like, less than 5 minutes ago - uploaded a fix for that. Shift-refresh and you should see it.
Jorm (WMF): Fair enough :)
What about the whitespace underneath the right hand sidebar?
CaptainPedge: I'll have to take a look. I'm not seeing it at my current configuration.
CaptainPedge: OH! That is actually intended. It will (eventually) start being filled with other tools and methods for surfacing additional content related to the article you're viewing, plus additional mechanisms for contribution.
I just haven't written them or faked them up yet.
Things like gallery browsers, or discussion stubs, or a list of popular quotations, or whatever.
Jorm (WMF): 2 things:
1. Is the plan to expand the body of the article underneath the sidebar, like the current design expands beneath the infobox, or is the whitespace there to stay?
2. Its amazing that you're being this responsive and it is very much appreciated :)
CaptainPedge: Ideally, we'd like to fill it with useful things, and we'd also like to move away from a lot of the current re-flow problems the current layouts encounter. If you look at the current site, there are sometimes places where huge swaths of "null content" exist that, by virtue of the content engine's design, are not usable. Consider the space next to most Tables of Contents.
And thanks for your appreciation! Getting comments is how I find bugs in the design, and the best way to get them is to be responsive. I'm locked out of the Boingboing thread, though, so that sucks.
Jorm (WMF): I just feel that on a long article, youre just gonna end up with a long column of whitespace that could be used. Oh one more thing, I don't know if this is just me, or if it's something the bothers other people. but I prefer when everything on the page scrolls the same way, and you don't end up with like top-bars that hang off the top of the window (not that it's happening here, but I just thought I should make the point) In my experience those sorts of thing only end up bugging out in some way and screwing the whole thing up.
CaptainPedge: Winter does look a lot better when looking at a specific article, like say Scotland as an example. That right bar doesn't appear as awkward.
Jorm (WMF) That might be something to think about when sharing Winter with more people - don't lead with the Main Page or other visually 'empty' pages as examples. It wasn't until I dug into a few pages that I figured out what was going on.
Ckoerner: Sorry, I'm still not buying it. Look at http://unicorn.wmflabs.org/winter/index.html?page=Les_Mis%C3%A9rables_(musical) compared to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Les_Mis%C3%A9rables_(musical). As soon as you get past the info box at the top the rest of the text flows into the space below, filling the screen. On the new proposal, there's nothing there, just wasted space, requiring me to scroll further to get to the bottom of the page, and squashing tables to comedy levels.
CaptainPedge: Good example!