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Candidate for deletion

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Rob Kam (talkcontribs)

Disagree. It is useful to have a list of hosting providers that support MediaWiki, even if it's incomplete and includes commercial services.

Kghbln (talkcontribs)

I have mixed feelings here. On one hand it is indeed pretty useful to have a list of hosters providing tailored environments for MediaWiki, on the other hand this list also currently includes hosters what provide webspace which may presumably be capable of running MediaWiki to some (which?) extent and do not even mention MediaWiki on their homepage. I abstain.

šŸ˜‚ (talkcontribs)

Maybe trim the list to only include services that specialize in MediaWiki? Or at least mention it as something they support explicitly?

Kghbln (talkcontribs)

Indeed, this would be a way out.

Isidore (talkcontribs)

Agreed. Also, I disagree with the premise of the notice that the page is advertising; I consider it to be potentially valuable information.

Rob Kam (talkcontribs)

This information ought to be but isn't, available on WikiApiary.

Florianschmidtwelzow (talkcontribs)

So i think we can remove the delete notice?Ā :)

Melben1821 (talkcontribs)

This discussion was started before the deletion notice was put up and wasn't started as a response to the current deletion request. Regardless, I would support deleting this page for several reasons:

  • This page has become a target for spammers and those wishing to promote their companies. It's essentially serving as an advertisement with little benefit to the MediaWiki community.
  • Pretty much every hosting provider out there supports MediaWiki, even if they don't explicitly say so. If a hosting provider has PHP and MySQL (which just about everyone has), the end user can run MediaWiki without any issues.
  • There's no end to the list. We'd have to list every hosting provider out there. It'll be much easier for end users to simply search for hosting themselves, as pretty much every hosting company can run MediaWiki.
  • A list of farms is already available on Wikipedia.
  • As far as I know, no one here has actually validated the listed companies' claims to offer "optimized" MediaWiki hosting or "specialized" MediaWiki hosting. I'm fairly certain those are merely marketing terms and the performance and security wouldn't differ from "generic" hosting.
Florianschmidtwelzow (talkcontribs)

> This discussion was started before the deletion notice was put up and wasn't started as a response to the current deletion request.

That's not correct. The delete request was added by ^demon here and seems to be accidently removed here (the edit summary doesn't respond to the delete requests given reason). You linked a re-add of the delete requestĀ :)

> A list of farms is already available on Wikipedia.

Maybe we should link to it from here, instead of just deletingĀ :)

Melben1821 (talkcontribs)

I still don't see the value of such a list when pretty much every shared hosting provider out there can run MediaWiki without any issues. It's kinda like if WordPress maintained a list of all hosting providers that can run WordPress (read: every host out there). MediaWiki doesn't have any unique requirements and one can safely assume that the vast majority of hosting providers can run it perfectly fine. If MediaWiki indeed needed technologies that aren't normally provided by hosting providers (e.g. Ruby) then I'd fully support having such a list, but that's simply not the case. I guess if people insisted on keeping this page, a redirect to the relevant Wikipedia page seems to be a fair compromise?

Timeshifter (talkcontribs)

Keep this list. The columns provide useful starting info. No one else is doing much useful compilation of info on MediaWiki hosting. The main Wikipedia page is only for wiki farms. And those wiki farms are frequently in trouble or down. So people are very much interested in more stable places to put MediaWiki wikis. And this site is MediaWiki.org. Little else is as important for our MediaWiki headquarters than helping more people use MediaWiki. Wiki farms are having a hard time, and the number of active editors (5 or more edits a month) is declining on Wikipedia. Volunteers and staff need to wake up, and be more helpful. This list is helpful.

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