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Unable to see the subject of a new topic

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Helder.wiki talk User contributions

On watchlist, I can see the title of the section (or the name of the topic, in the system used on Village Pump of ptwiki ), but in Flow notifications I can't. It just says "<someone> created a new topic on <somewhere>", and since the URLs are confusing, I can't use the hover on "new topic" to get that info either.

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Uncomfortable path to linking to a topic

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Gryllida talk User contributions

Can't find my past topic... so here it goes, a little again. I browse this board and decide to link someone to a thread. Currently:

  1. click ...
  2. click permalink
  3. copy the topic:lalalala bit from urlbar or from the page
  4. switch tab
  5. type [[
  6. paste
  7. type |
  8. switch tab
  9. copy topic title
  10. switch tab
  11. paste
  12. type ]]

...a long path. :-) Now, it is the same with old way, except that it doesn't take me to single-thread view to perform all these operations. This perhaps makes it easier to link to multiple threads at once.

Also, when linking to a thread before (with classic wiki markup pages), it was one of many on a page. It was not a single thread.

Perhaps steal design from here: https://docs.python.org/2/reference/lexical_analysis.html#physical-lines -- move mouse over the headlines and watch what changes :-) (it used to even highlight a currently selected header with yellow background, but no longer does).

Helder.wiki talk User contributions

Gryllida: frwiki uses something like that (see w:fr:MediaWiki:Gadget-AncreTitres.js), and I import their script for personal use everywhere.

Gryllida talk User contributions

I would like Talk:Flow#Topic:S1g7r6h4nj2o6un3 to work to link to this thread, not only Topic:S1g7r6h4nj2o6un3.

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JavaScriptless Flow takes to topic title edit box when I'd like to edit my own message

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Gryllida talk User contributions

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Flow does not provide edit summaries

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Gryllida talk User contributions

I recall there was some discussion earlier about generating some, but I don't see progress. Not on this Flow instance at least.

Helder.wiki talk User contributions

This is particularly important to provide attribution for snippets of content copied from other pages.

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Flow takes the ability to edit (or create) multiple threads at once

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Gryllida talk User contributions

Hi. Suppose someone wrote something like this:


Hi. I need help with wiki markup, I think it needs me to install Notepad.exe. --Foo~~~~~

Hello. What happens when you try to install Notepad.exe? --Bar~~~~
It is not compatible with my mobile platform. --Foo~~~~~

Now, I'd like to ask 2 questions. First, I'd like to notify (in response to the first line) that there is no need in notepad. Second, I'd like to reply to a third line and ask what mobile platform the folk's using. Typically that's possible in one edit, but I feel that Flow treats them as separate.


Also, I may want to create 2 topics at once. Previously this was doable by clicking ?action=edit&section=new, and typing an extra headline:

Subject: Foo
Content:

Foooooo! --~~~
== Bar ==
Bar~ --~~~

On a bigger scale, I may even click edit on a village pump and reply to all questions (this means multiple threads) in one edit. It is convenient, while not at all possible with Flow. I typically do this for my own convenience (how this decreases edit count is quite another question).


Please consider this challenging query. It's probably not even possible to resolve, and bears purely rhetorical nature. Or is it doable? :-)

Helder.wiki talk User contributions

I would like improvements in this area too (but it seems flow allows one to click in reply for multiple comments in the same page, and save them separately - but without reloading the page)

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JavaScriptless Flow does not allow listing back

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Gryllida talk User contributions

I see a "load more" button (something JS users usually experience as infinite scroll). Clicking it takes me to the next page of Flow topics on this board.

  • I would like to also have a back button.
  • I'd like to be able to set how many results to see per page.
  • I'd like to be able to browse to the 'oldest' and 'newest' page.

See how LQT does this on this page, for example.

(On a related note, I'd also like to have a readable URL for these things. But that's cosmetic.)

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Getting things readable when edit and post times are roughly the same

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Gryllida talk User contributions

It says "edited 11 hours ago - 11 hours ago". This is unhelpful, especially where I'm reading the message first time now; I don't care whether it had any previous versions.

I see some merit in this for the case "my sister read it 11 hours ago and told me about it, now I'm reading it and see different thing from what she told me", I think it does not need to repeat the time twice when I'm reading.

Possibly when

  1. the time is the same and
  2. I didn't read the revision before the edit was made,

then

  • show the 'edited' thing only on-mouseover (on-hover).

Please share thoughts and perhaps implement this.

As before, I find this perhaps a good first bug; you're usually too quick though.

Thanks!

Gryllida talk User contributions

On a related note, when mouse hovers, the approximate times expand into exact timestamps. This may make the design a little more complicated. Nevertheless with some hints this could still be a good exercise for volunteers to get started with contributing to Flow.

Christian75 talk User contributions

Gryllida: Which, btw, is extremely impossible to copy/paste (the first time stamp; Edited x hours ago)

DannyH (WMF) talk User contributions

I agree that this ought to be changed -- having two time stamps is odd, especially when they're within minutes of each other. I think the answer is to combine them into one -- just have it be "Edited x hours ago" and then that's a link to 'the Topic history page.

Now, this is just me talking off the top of my head, without actually talking to our designer or community lead, so, y'know. But if it magically happened I wouldn't be upset about it.

Gryllida talk User contributions

DannyH (WMF): Maybe not even 'edited x hours ago', just 'x hours ago', when their 'xxx ago' form is the same. When it isn't the same, then add the 'edited' word.

Martijn Hoekstra talk User contributions

Gryllida: in general, having the edited after the creation date seems to make sense to me. "2 days ago, edited one day ago" feels better to me than "edited one day ago * two days ago", which sounds confusing to me. If we want something really fancy, I would love something like "2 days ago, edited the same day" for a minor edit and "2 days ago, edited the same day: {{editsummary}}" for a non minor edit.

Martijn Hoekstra talk User contributions

A possibly known bug, trying to navigate to history here errors out: https://www.mediawiki.org/w/index.php?title=Topic:S1alcijao7wghh31&action=history&topic_postId=s1i881rim9mthh2w

Gryllida talk User contributions

I agree. I'd perhaps also suggest to write the author nickname and the timestamp together, as it's grammatically coherent: "[posted by] Gryllida [at] so-and-so".

Martijn Hoekstra talk User contributions

Gryllida: the more I think about this the fancier it becomes. Replies made before the edit could have a small "after this reply was made, edits have been made to the original post (parent? or is that too jargon)"

TheDJ talk User contributions

DannyH (WMF): Sounds like a good plan, i've also been a bit annoyed by this.

Gryllida talk User contributions

BTW, who is our designer and our community lead? :-)

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Deleted topics

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Jay8g talk User contributions

Even if a topic has since been deleted, you can get notifications for it. These include links to the topic page, like this, which give you a page with an unhelpful error message: "Insufficient permission to access the content. Return to MediaWiki. [0aa7d0a5] 2014-08-28 16:36:52: Fatal exception of type Flow\Exception\PermissionException"

DannyH (WMF) talk User contributions

Thanks for posting about this. Where was that notification -- in your Echo flyout, the All Notifications page, or in email? A deleted topic should be removed from Echo at least -- if you saw this notification there, we'll have to figure out what went wrong.

I put a card into the backlog to create a better error page, that at least has a link back to the board and/or board history. 1 Thanks!

Jay8g talk User contributions

DannyH (WMF): In Echo (and Special:Notifications). Interestingly, I only got the started a thread message, not the posted on a thread message.

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On design for one-line messages.. more compact...

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Gryllida talk User contributions

JFYI w:ru:Википедия:Форум/Технический contains a lot of short but informative one-line replies - with the signature they remain only one line. With Flow, that would look ugly. Thought I'd mention that for your next design work to succeed.

Helder.wiki talk User contributions

+1.

Helder.wiki talk User contributions

For example, we really need to avoid wasting three lines for short comments like the one above (the problem would be the same if instead of "+1" I had written a short answer)

Gryllida talk User contributions

Can you take a screenshot of this thread and move things around in a painting program until a point you like it? You can upload to Commons.

Gryllida talk User contributions

one line reply (see, it's 3 lines here)

Gryllida talk User contributions

From a quick look at a Twitter page and a Reddit page (bah, its design scales well ; those are social networks that quickly come to mind), I think this issue has to be solved by

  1. grouping nick and time together
  2. making the message text clearly black
  3. making the reply/etc buttons a bit pale and (as mentioned) small, but bold
  4. grouping stuff like nick/time/reply button closer to the message and leaving margins between messages
  5. not using borders (they clutter)

Some other things to try:

  1. a "[-]" button at the left of nick collapses a message and its children
  2. "+/-" (up/down) are small arrows at the message left (enableable per-namespace)
  3. please use serif font for the topic title!!!!!1

some minor notes pictures... :


It would be nice to be brave and shove both nick, time, and buttons in one line

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Preview differs from saved

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Lazowik talk User contributions

http://snag.gy/x6InM.jpg

  • author is not rendered as link and not bold, thus looks like if it was a part of message
  • minor: is the left margin on preview intentional?
S Page (WMF) talk User contributions

Lazowik:

  • We recently added author name to the post preview to fix bug 69257. I'm not seeing a blue bold username on this preview either, even though I think the code is in the template.
  • Your second point is bug 69715, we fixed it.
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