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Huge headers

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I have an impression I've talked about that already, but can't find it.

Why are headers so huge and contain so much information? This is probably useful when topcis only view is used. Maybe some information can be hidden when discussion is opened? I'd say that actually none of that information (i.e. anything but topic) is needed when discussion is opened. You can reply below and see activity yourself.

Also it would be nice to drop background color for the headers (that would also remove the need for padding and make them smaller). Whitespace is enough to separate topics (or at least I hope so).

Please take a look at http://practicaltypography.com/websites.html Maybe some of that could be incorporated into general design guidelines?

Lazowik talk

Something like http://snag.gy/FKKLJ.jpg That would need some indicator (wide arrow?) to show that discussion is hidden/shown. Icons would need a bit realign too. Maybe smaller headers icon also.

Anyways, just my thoughts. Feel free to ignore them :)

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Please make it possible to translate (and read translations of) someone else's message

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Sometimes there are major announcements or newsletters that get translated into one or more other languages. I'd like to have proper support for translating them.

I don't necessarily want to integrate the translate extension here. What I really want is to have a button on the original post that says "Look, there are translations available!", and when you click on them, they show the translated version (maybe side-by-side with the original?).

This feature would help people who don't all speak the same language to participate in the same conversation, instead of having discussions split up according to language. Since Flow will work on multiple projects, I believe this will be an increasingly important issue.

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Thoughts on moderation in Flow

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Put them here. You're welcome to add yours or share thoughts, or collaborate.

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Please detect a thread or message language automatically

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I would like Flow to automatically detect a thread or message language, so that I can filter out this entire board for Russian messages. (I.e. when I don't speak English and can't participate in English threads.)

Rajubohora78 talk

thank you

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Red border on empty fields

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Why do empty fields have a red border when the focus is out of them? This looks quite odd, especially on the new topic form when you first click into it--the focus is in the title field and the message field is highlighted red.

Quiddity (WMF) talk

Jay8g: That's a new bug. Notes at https://trello.com/c/zpk1lene/ It will be addressed via https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/154940/

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[nojs] Topic menu is missing

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I disabled JavaScript. The wonderful menu containing things like adding the topic to watchlist or closing it is gone. Please make the functionality available in the non-JavaScript interface. :-)

Ad Huikeshoven talk

Gryllida: how come jo disabled js?

Gryllida talk

I disabled JavaScript specifically to test Flow's behaviour without it.

Quiddity (WMF) talk

Gryllida: One of the developers is working specifically on non-js issues. There are a whole bunch of bugs with that mode currently, but they are being looked at. :)

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[nojs] Edit link next to my message takes me to topic edit box instead

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Which is a bug.

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Pinging people in a reply metadata instead of reply text

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I clearly recall this being a bug on file. Would you please do it? It's a nice thing to avoid cluttering text with nicknames of other people.

Quiddity (WMF) talk

Gryllida: You'd filed that as bugzilla:59231. You wrote:

"a setting for pings to not be displayed, either

  • hidden where the pingee is a parent message author, or
  • hidden entirely."

As well as those options, perhaps pings could be:

  • A different color (eg. near-black instead of bright-blue) so that they're less eye-catching.
  • Shown as a list of "who will be pinged" for the post-author whilst they're typing, but not in the saved-post itself.
  • Made smaller, like en:Template:Tiny ping (I would disagree with this one, but listing for completism)

What else could we do, or do other sites do?

Gryllida talk

"Shown as a list of "who will be pinged" for the post-author whilst they're typing, but not in the saved-post itself." -- yes definitely; cluttered post text is the primary concern here.

" A different color (eg. near-black instead of bright-blue) so that they're less eye-catching." I don't really care.

"Made smaller, like en:Template:Tiny ping (I would disagree with this one, but listing for completism)" -- when you do such list, you can make them smaller if you like; I don't care.


By all means please try to keep it readable. More on this in a next message.

Gryllida talk

Please keep it readable.

  • The "by clicking reply, you agree to..." message is not something my elderly relatives would be able to even notice.
  • The 'cancel' and 'preview' are light grey on white background. This is hard to read.
  • The 'reply', 'edit', '25 seconds ago' are all light grey on white. They're all hard to read in the small print.
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Topic merge?

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I see few related topics, is merge already available or is it under development?

Quiddity (WMF) talk

Gryllida: Merge/Split are planned, but not currently under development.

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Messages (not entire topics) should carry metadata such as status (Done, not Done)

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I would personally do this by implementing means of saying YesY Done in a Flow thread. The entire thread should not be marked as anything, only a specific message, as extra attention may still be needed to things a contributor forgot to do.

Gryllida talk

To be specific: if we implement means to mark an entire topic as something that's been done, it's very easy to miss some things. (You ask me to paint a fence and a door, I paint a fence and leave a YesY Done note, everyone else sees a "DONE!" in topic header and doesn't bother reading.) I'd like to only see this feature in replies somewhere, and it might be hard to design it without clutter. But it's much much more needed than the current "it's fixed so let's close the entire topic and make it unreadable without unhiding" system.

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