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This feature lets you see other related pages to pages you view which contain longitude and latitude information. You can read more about it in Beta Features/Nearby Pages.

Please give us feedback on your experience using this Beta Feature so we can change and ehnance it.

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Please do feel free to revert

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Wbm1058 talk

my edit to the page header, and note that I did not vandalize it, although I did make a typo.

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Merge "Nearby Pages" into "Nearby"

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Atlasowa talk

A major issue with "Special:Nearby" is that you are forced to send your current location data (to google and WMF, etc.) or else: you can't use it _at all_. You have to send very sensitive data, and you don't even get explained what you are doing and what is happening. You want to see which Wikipedia articles are nearby your next holiday destination? Not possible.

Why can't we choose nearby: "Eiffel Tower"? Or type any other WP article with a geographic location? Or "drop a pin" on a map? That is not a technical problem, as we can see with "Nearby Pages". Why not give the user a _choice_ and _some control_ of what he wants to see nearby?

Atlasowa talk

See also Bug 49413 - Allow user to enter a location on Special:Nearby and feedback on dewiki.

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What can we do to make the next version even more awesome?

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Jdlrobson talk

A new design is planned. What are your thoughts on this new design? What could be done to improve it?

DePiep talk

I have made 50,000 edits on enwiki. And here I am, not seeing how to start a new thread to respond.

Nicereddy talk

DePiep: What do you mean? You just responded to the topic, as far as I can tell.

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DePiep talk

Nicereddy: I made a reply, not a new topic. I completely missed the "Start a new topic" box: very light grey. This subthread is OT and so better be stopped.

Atlasowa talk

User:DePiep: Thanks for the pointer to the very light grey "Start a new topic" box! That is really terrible UI design, unless someone _wanted_ to make this function practically invisible... Same for the very light grey "Comment on". Seriously..??

Nicereddy talk

Jdlrobson: I'd recommend the following:

  • Upload the mockups to Wikimedia Commons as well ;)
  • Make "Exit fullscreen" in D(d) a MediaWiki.ui button (or use the Multimedia Viewer's "X"?)
  • Remove underline from "Show/Hide Map" and use up/down carats as iconography to represent what pressing them will do. To make up for the lack of underline, you could make the text blue or bold? I just hate underlines unless you're mouse is right above the button itself.
  • Try moving "# Topics near New York" above the map instead of between the map and article list?
  • Remove divider lines from above and below "# Topics near New York", you can probably just use the background color's contrast to signify different sections of the pop-out.
  • The sidebar design concept, while interesting, conflicts with user expectations and isn't used anywhere else on Wikipedia. It could work, but I think it'd be too disruptive for navigating the article.
  • Make sure the "Drop pin" icon (See: this mockup) matches the Nearby Places icon with the transparent circle inside the pin. Although, maybe that was purposeful to avoid confusion between the two.
  • Overall, I'd prefer if there were less gray, or if the current gray were replaced with one that was brighter. At present it looks pretty ugly and contrasts with the white too much.

Tell me if you need any clarifications, the mockups are definitely an improvement over the Beta Feature's design!

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Do you miss nearby pages?

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Jay8g talk

I missed it a while ago, when it stopped working on monobook...

Thincat talk

Yes, I miss it so I'll be pleased to see something re-emerge. Thank you for the work (and or giving me a chance to use (misuse?) low for the first time).

Jdlrobson talk

We'll have to make sure the next version works in Monobook :)

Jay8g talk

Jdlrobson: Glad to be hearing that... all I've been hearing lately is "Monobook is not the default, we won't support it".

Atlasowa talk

Frankly, no. I do miss the awesome OpenStreetMap functionality that is standard on almost every Wikipedia language version (right next to WikiminiAtlas) - except on english Wikipedia. It's not even available as a gadget on enWP! You can only activate it by user script on enWP, see de:Hilfe:OpenStreetMap#Installation_in_anderen_Sprachen. This OSM tool is years old, it works, it's beautiful, it's useful, ... just perfect. "Nearby Pages" is inferior, I'm sorry. This makes me really wonder if this is a case of "If something is not happening on english Wikipedia, it doesn't exist for WMF". This new mockup places the map _over_ the article text (so you can't read the article _and_ look at the map) and the map window is tiny (so you can't read the map either).

This is so much better on the OSM-tool by Kolossos, the map unfolds above the article text and has a usable, readable size on screen. Plus you can choose a layer of geotagged commons images. Plus you can choose a layer of geotagged articles in other Wikipedia language versions. etc...

Regarding "Drop pin": That is a bad idea. Inviting bad edits in good-faith and map vandalism alike. Who is supposed to clean this up, the WP community? Please, just don't! Read up on the selfie-pocalypse on commons, or the terrible VisualEditor deployment on Wikipedia and think about it. Think!

Atlasowa talk

I'll admit one thing ;-) though: the map pin icons at Kolossos OSM-tool are ugly (I think he agrees). See this map on the iOS Wikipedia app of _2012_ , it has nice map icons and i think that would be an improvement to the OSM-tool above (with the confused icon shadows... and weird sized icons).

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When will it be back?

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Jdforrester (WMF) talk

It was a neat feature – when are you thinking of bringing it back, and are there any particular features you have planned?

Prtksxna talk

Jdforrester (WMF): The design is almost done and I'll start development in May. We hope to have the first release with the new design by end of June.

Jdforrester (WMF) talk

Prtksxna: Brilliant, thank you.

Jdlrobson talk

This feature is still being worked on for mobile. The beta feature helped fix a variety of bugs there and showed there was interest in such a feature.

The next step is to build on this work to provide a desktop experience with maps. There is a hackathon around maps at the Zürich Hackathon 2014 and a new design in the works being led by @User:Prtksxna. He should be able to give a better idea of timelines for this.

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